Islam is BAD!!!

[Angelos]

Jews are nothing unless they follow the Torah.

Christians are nothing unless they follow the Gospel.

That is how I understand the quote.

In Islam, a Messenger is not obligated to follow the previous Messenger. Jesus is considered a Messenger in Islam. Thus according to this logic, a Christian is not obligated to Torah, and I don’t think any upright Islamic scholar would disagree with me on that. The disagreement that a Muslim scholar would have with an modern Christian is whether or not the Christians have the true Gospel of Jesus.

And that is my honest opinion of that.

In Christ,

Silouan

Nonetheless, the following verse in the Koran addresses Jews and Christians (people of the scripture) and commands them to observe the Torah, The Gospel (Injeel), AND the Koran:

Surah 5:68 Say O People of the Scripture! Ye have naught (of guidance) till ye observe the Torah and the Gospel and that which was revealed unto you from your Lord. That which is revealed unto thee (Muhammad) from thy Lord is certain to increase the contumacy and disbelief of many of them. But grieve not for the disbelieving folk.

This means the Koran asks Jews and Christians to observe the Law of Muslims in addition to their peculiar Laws. Don’t you agree?

 

[Silouan]

let me get this straight, if we want to know about a certain ruling, who is the authority? all the above mentionned countries must give a unified ruling? because that is not happening in many cases…a fatwa from SA contradicting a fatwa in Egypt, who is the authority?

Let me explain later.

please elaborate because i did not understand the analogy between a religious order of humiliation and another one not based on a divine order…

Let me explain later

the only difference is that Muhammad and his followers proved the teachings by acts…literal application…where does Jesus or the apostles or the early Christians prove that what Jesus taught was about war or violence or humiliating others? where is the contradiction? are we going to compare a sentence that neither Jesus nor apostles applied in terms of war to all the wars of conquests and humiliations dones by the hands of Muslims?

Jesus and the early Christians did not have a Nation. Muhammad and the early Muslims did have a Nation. So comparing the two in this regard is like comparing apples and oranges.

However if you comparing Islamic Nations with Christians Nations, I think in general they treated non-believers the same, the witch hunts. Slavery, colonization, genocide, spreading the religion with the sword all this happened under people of both religions had nations.

I have to be fair.

In Christ,

Silouan

 

[inJESUS]

Muslims do not follow the law of Moses, Muslims follow the law of Muhammad.

Muhammad’s laws resemble the law of Moses on somethings, something Muhammad was lax on, and others Muhammad may have been stricter

 

[inJESUS]

Jesus and the early Christians did not have a Nation. Muhammad and the early Muslims did have a Nation. So comparing the two in this regard is like comparing apples and oranges.

 

[cathopologist]

We don’t, kindly refer to this post.

Every time a Muslim bows down to pray (no matter where in the world), he faces Mecca. Not just the city, but the black stone. If that is not stone worshiping, what is that?

Why do Christians NEED to even have statues and images in their places of worship??

We don’t. There are hundreds of threads on this subject alone. I doubt you read them, since your fingers are programmed to divert questions.

If the Ka’bah was bombed into smithereens, which direction would Muslims face to pray? We know Jerusalem would be a humiliating choice since Mohammad felt betrayed by the Jews. But the Dome of the Rock is there, afterall. See? Everywhere you turn to, there is always a rock waiting to be worshiped.

Now, be a gentleman and tell me how Muslims adhere to the biblical teachings of the OT ,if they disregard what Exodus 25:18-22 says? The Ka’bah does not resemble anything to the Ark. Mosques do not resemble anything that is mentioned in the OT. So how does Islam operate and still lay claim as being the OT’s “successor”?

 

[Silouan]

may i ask for how long you were a muslim before you converted to Christianity?

I was Muslim for most of my life. And when I was Muslim, I never imagined me ever becoming Christian. And I’ll tell you why, I always felt Christians are self-righteous, they are very judgmental people, and I felt that lacked true spirituality. I’ve never met a Christian and said, “You know I would like to be him or her.”
I chose Orthodoxy solely based on its spiritual tradition.

r_not has done her homework and is speaking out against the violence.

R_Not has NOT done her homework. My skin crawls when I read what she writes, I am ashamed of what she is doing in the name of Christ, because what she is doing is simply unjust and coloring a picture of Islam that isn’t true. There is a difference between, Muslims mis-intrepreting the religion and what Islam teaches. She is basing her conclusion on the misinterpretation of so-called Muslim scholars. And then she blames the whole of Islam as the source of the problem. The source of the problem isn’t Islam and its primary sources but rather a person with a diseased spiritual heart. And to be honest that is the source of R_Not problem as well. No amount of proofs or explanations is going to change her ways. She has some internal problems going on there.
Now if R_Not brought up some valid points like inJesus did concerning the Jiziya, this can be verified. inJesus presented a statement from Umar, a companion of Muhammad. And then I went to a classical fiqh text to see how the jiziya is to be implemented and it is almost exact wording. This is valid objective to Islam.
R_Not present people like Yusuf Qardawi, whose positions goes against many of the classical Islamic scholar its laughable. Justifying the killing of innocent civilian, making permissible unslaughtered meat, making music permissible etc etc. This goes one and one, where Yusuf Qardawi deviates from Orthodox Sunni Islam.
R_Not present countries where Muslim engage in honor killings, a practiced that muslims inherited from the Jewish Traditions and than blames Islam for it, because honor killings has no basis in the Quran and Sunnah, nor can you find the permissibility of such actions among the recognized classical scholars.
R_Not has not done her homework. All she wants to do is paint a bad picture of Islam, by any means necessary, and this unjust, hateful, cruel, wrong, un-christ-like, devlish, and satanic.

i don’t think Jesus would want us to ignore teachings that ask in the name of God to shed another individual’s blood. those that do that are the ones representing evil, not the ones exposing it.

I don’t think Jesus would want us to ignore teachings that mis-represent a whole group of people based on someone’s hate of that religion. R_Not’s hate for Islam.

please don’t let her outrage at all the violence she has read about lead you away from Christianity. that does seem a bit odd.

Well it would be impossible for her to prove her un-christ-like actions.

your experience with traditional sunni islam has been more peaceful than what the sunni saudi’s teach, so perhaps maybe you could help out a big western dummy like myself and help me to understand those hadiths i keep posting.:

I haven’t studied those hadiths, to give an accurate answer. But Islam isn’t based on one or two hadiths, but is based on Quran and Sunnah as the early Muslims understood it. But I will admit the hadiths that you presented are quite disturbing.

In Christ,

Silouan

 

[KenEOTE]

I don’t think Jesus would want us to ignore teachings that mis-represent a whole group of people based on someone’s hate of that religion. R_Not’s hate for Islam.

I think though that any religion that denies the deity of Christ, and the crucifixion is evil, it is darkness that blinds others. It is in opposition to God. Even something evil or bad can have twinges of truth. The devil always uses half truths to deceive. He tells part of the truth, just enough to get your eyes off of Christ. I think that is what Islam does. I have no doubt that Mohamed saw angels and heard form them, I just think the ones he talked to fell from heaven many years before.

I do not hate Muslims, I feel sorry for them and pray for them. They are blinded by lies.

 

[rad]

Silouan

Hello…
I read the life of the this Saint Silouan,Is he the one who’s name you chosen on this forum…here’s his life story…St. Silouan the Athonite …

St. Silouan, was born in 1866, of devout parents who came from the village of Sovsk in the Tambov region. At the age of twenty-seven he received the prayers of St. John of Kronstadt and went to Mt. Athos where he became a monk at the Russian monastery St. Panteleimon. He received from the Holy Theotokos the gift of unceasing prayer, and was given the vision our Lord Jesus Christ, in glory, in the church of the holy Prophet Elijah adjoining the mill of the monastery. After the withdrawal of that first grace, he was oppressed by profound grief and great temptations for fifteen years, after which he received from Christ the teaching, “Keep they mind in hell, and despair not.” He reposed on September 24, 1938.

He left behind his writings which were edited by his disciple and pupil, the Elder Sophrony. Fr. Sophrony has written a complete life of the Saint along with the record of St. Silouan’s teachings in the Book St. Silouan the Athonite.

Saint Silouan on Love

The soul cannot know peace unless she prays for her enemies. The soul that has learned of God’s grace to pray, feels love and compassion for every created thing, and in particular for mankind, for whom the Lord suffered on the Cross, and His soul was heavy for every one of us.

The Lord taught me to love my enemies. Without the grace of God we cannot love our enemies. Only the Holy Spirit teaches love, and then even devils arouse our pity because they have fallen from good, and lost humility in God.

I beseech you, put this to the test. When a man affronts you or brings dishonor on your head, or takes what is yours, or persecutes the Church, pray to the Lord, saying: “O Lord, we are all Thy creatures. Have pity on Thy servants and turn their hearts to repentance,” and you will be aware of grace in your soul. To begin with, constrain your heart to love enemies, and the Lord, seeing your good will, will help you in all things, and experience itself will show you the way. But the man who thinks with malice of his enemies has not God’s love within him, and does not know God.

If you will pray for your enemies, peace will come to you; but when you can love your enemies - know that a great measure of the grace of God dwells in you, though I do not say perfect grace as yet, but sufficient for salvation. Whereas if you revile your enemies, it means there is an evil spirit living in you and bringing evil thoughts into your heart, for, in the words of the Lord, out of the heart proceed evil thoughts - or good thoughts.

The good man thinks to himself in this wise: Every one who has strayed from the truth brings destruction on himself and is therefore to be pitied. But of course the man who has not learned the love of the Holy Spirit will not pray for his enemies. The man who has learned love from the Holy Spirit sorrows all his life over those who are not saved, and sheds abundant tears for the people, and the grace of God gives him strength to love his enemies.

Understand me. It is so simple. People who do not know God, or who go against Him, are to be pitied; the heart sorrows for them and the eye weeps. Both paradise and torment are clearly visible to us: We know this through the Holy Spirit. And did not the Lord Himself say, “The kingdom of God is within you”? Thus eternal life has its beginning here in this life; and it is here that we sow the seeds of eternal torment. Where there is pride there cannot be grace, and if we lose grace we also lose both love of God and assurance in prayer. The soul is then tormented by evil thoughts and does not understand that she must humble herself and love her enemies, for there is no other way to please God.

What shall I render unto Thee, O Lord,
for that Thou hast poured such great mercy on my soul?
Grant, I beg Thee, that I may see my iniquities,
and ever weep before Thee,
for Thou art filled with love for humble souls,
and dost give them the grace of the Holy Spirit.

O merciful God, forgive me.
Thou seest how my soul is drawn to Thee, her Creator.
Thou hast wounded my soul with Thy love,
and she thirsts for Thee, and wearies without end,
and day and night, insatiable, reaches toward Thee,
and has no wish to look upon this world, though I do love it,
but above all I love Thee, my Creator,
and my soul longs after Thee.

O my Creator, why have I, Thy little creature,
grieved Thee so often? Yet Thou hast not remembered my sins.

Glory be to the Lord God that He gave us His Only-begotten
Son for the sake of our salvation.
Glory be to the Only-begotten Son that He deigned to be
born of the Most Holy Virgin, and suffered for our salvation,
and gave us His Most Pure Body and Blood to eternal life,
and sent His Holy Spirit on the earth.

O Lord, grant me tears to shed for myself,
and for the whole universe,
that the nations may know Thee and live eternally with Thee,
O Lord, vouchsafe us the gift of Thy humble Holy Spirit,
that we may apprehend Thy glory.

 

[R_not]

I was Muslim for most of my life. And when I was Muslim, I never imagined me ever becoming Christian. And I’ll tell you why, I always felt Christians are self-righteous, they are very judgmental people, and I felt that lacked true spirituality. I’ve never met a Christian and said, “You know I would like to be him or her.”
I chose Orthodoxy solely based on its spiritual tradition.

I feel muslims are self-righteous so much so to the extent that way too many of them not only kill and torture non-muslims, kidnap and forcibly convert and marry non-muslims and also enslave them, but other ‘moderates’ support these jihadists via muslim charities and by their deception of islam to infidels. They arrogantly want the UN and our governments to bend to their wills by intimidation (rioting and destruction and killing) and also by trying to change our laws.

R_Not has NOT done her homework. My skin crawls when I read what she writes, I am ashamed of what she is doing in the name of Christ, because what she is doing is simply unjust and coloring a picture of Islam that isn’t true. There is a difference between, Muslims mis-intrepreting the religion and what Islam teaches. She is basing her conclusion on the misinterpretation of so-called Muslim scholars. And then she blames the whole of Islam as the source of the problem. The source of the problem isn’t Islam and its primary sources but rather a person with a diseased spiritual heart. And to be honest that is the source of R_Not problem as well. No amount of proofs or explanations is going to change her ways. She has some internal problems going on there.
Now if R_Not brought up some valid points like inJesus did concerning the Jiziya, this can be verified. inJesus presented a statement from Umar, a companion of Muhammad. And then I went to a classical fiqh text to see how the jiziya is to be implemented and it is almost exact wording. This is valid objective to Islam.
R_Not present people like Yusuf Qardawi, whose positions goes against many of the classical Islamic scholar its laughable. Justifying the killing of innocent civilian, making permissible unslaughtered meat, making music permissible etc etc. This goes one and one, where Yusuf Qardawi deviates from Orthodox Sunni Islam.
R_Not present countries where Muslim engage in honor killings, a practiced that muslims inherited from the Jewish Traditions and than blames Islam for it, because honor killings has no basis in the Quran and Sunnah, nor can you find the permissibility of such actions among the recognized classical scholars.
R_Not has not done her homework. All she wants to do is paint a bad picture of Islam, by any means necessary, and this unjust, hateful, cruel, wrong, un-christ-like, devlish, and satanic.

I don’t think Jesus would want us to ignore teachings that mis-represent a whole group of people based on someone’s hate of that religion. R_Not’s hate for Islam.

Well it would be impossible for her to prove her un-christ-like actions.

I haven’t studied those hadiths, to give an accurate answer. But Islam isn’t based on one or two hadiths, but is based on Quran and Sunnah as the early Muslims understood it. But I will admit the hadiths that you presented are quite disturbing.

In Christ,

Silouan

If these were untrue then I wouldn’t be able to use them, daily, as examples as to the problems of islam.

Your skin might crawl - but I have indeed done my homework. Just today the DNC gave a standing ovation to a member of a muslim brotherhood linked muslim. Talk about making one’s skin crawl.

jihadwatch.org/archives/022372.php

What you are not getting is that what has brought ne to the place that I am about islam has been the behavior of muslims worldwide. And that includes the muslims in our lands who are exhibiting the same behavior as muslims who migrate to lands before they start their violence. The deception that is part of islam.

I have yet to meet a muslim who likes what I have written. Because infidels are not supposed to write such things against the prophet, the koran, allah - and the behavior and words of muslims. Too bad, there are too many things that are being done - to this very day - in the name of some god and they justify it using the koran.

And then the ‘moderate’ muslims, and it seems appeasers of islam too, all say the same old things - that I AM THE ONE who has it wrong. Or that those who do the deeds have it wrong. And who gets admonished?! I DO, NEVER THE ONES WHO ARE COMMITTING THE ATROCITIES AND WHO ARE DECEIVING OTHERS ABOUT ISLAM.

Well, it is a good thing that you, nor anyone else, is my judge. Until the masses of ‘moderates’ not only talk peace and worry about their image, but do something about the horrors of living under sharia law brings to so many will I change my mind. sharia law is based on the koran, I have proven time and again the source for honor killings and other atrocities and because I don’t fall down and roll over to muslims on these boards, and to appeasers of islam, you call me the one who is in the wrong.

muslims and their appeasers (oh, that includes you by the way) will continually say that things like honor killings are not part of the koran which is only muddying the waters of islam. THEN WHY DON’T THEY STOP HONOR KILLINGS DONE WORLDWIDE IN EVERY, SINGLE MUSLIM COUNTRY?!

Well, I can tell you why - because the koran is the basis for the brutality, for the killings, for the stealing, for the lying, for the torture - and also for the beating up of women. No muslim male wants to stop honor killings or else it would have been done by now. And as for muslim women, well even though I don’t consider them innocent in all of the atrocities worldwide - I don’t see them with any power to stop the atrocities. How convenient - why would the muslim male want to give them any power?! They would have to change and we all know how hard that can be!!

Keep on hating me - I don’t care. I will continue to bring to light the atrocities that are of islam and why they won’t stop - the basic teachings of mohammed sanction them. Slavery, killing, torture, stealing and lying - all the basics of islam.

I have asked several times for what people who say ‘islam is beautiful’ to give me examples - I have yet to hear anything specific. I am only reading just a big generalization of ‘every religion has some beauty to them’. I don’t find islam beautiful at all. And for that I get your hatred and judgemental accusations, or threats that you are going to leave the Church! What sort of logic is that?! If your faith hangs on everyone just being in love with islam then maybe you need to work on your own self.

I am just fine. In fact, I am wanted by many in my own circles, other blog sites, etc for information concerning islam. I have sent doctors (just this week) sources for what to read concerning islam. If what I post is not credible then so many wouldn’t be asking for more information.

What muslims don’t like is that we are indeed spreading the word on what islam is all about. And they are trying to get things censored - but it is too late. With the internet information flows much more freely. And they cannot censor everything.

 

[Muslim_Woman]

Salaam/peace;

I think though that any religion that denies the deity of Christ, and the crucifixion is evil, it is darkness that blinds others. .

Jews don’t respect Jesus & Mother Mary ( pbut) . On the contrary , it’s a must for Muslims to respect both of them .

Still Christians find our belief offensive …how is that possible ???

 

[Muslim_Woman]

…I have yet to meet a muslim who likes what I have written. Because infidels are not supposed to write such things against the prophet, the koran, allah -

If Christians feel the hatred of non-Christians against God , Holy Spirit , Jesus (p) , Mother Mary (p) , Bible …they will like that ?

 

[KenEOTE]

Salaam/peace;

Jews don’t respect Jesus & Mother Mary ( pbut) . On the contrary , it’s a must for Muslims to respect both of them .

Still Christians find our belief offensive …how is that possible ???

Actually what Jews disrespect Jesus? They respect him. At least the ones I have met.

Well I guess my biggest problem is I knew a man who was a Missionary and a doctor over in Africa. He was murdered by Muslims in front of his wife. Simply because he was a Christian. They praised Allah and his Prophet as they hacked him to death. He was just one of many. Amazingly one of the murders was the Local Imam of the village that everyone knew. These men who did this were never brought to justice, but they were praised by the local government which was run by Muslims.

 

[R_not]

Salaam/peace;

Jews don’t respect Jesus & Mother Mary ( pbut) . On the contrary , it’s a must for Muslims to respect both of them .

Still Christians find our belief offensive …how is that possible ???

There is a whole heck of a lot more to the koran and islam than just Jesus and his mother - all the justification to kill, steal, lie and torture people. And mohammed put himself higher than Jesus which distorts Christianity.

 

[R_not]

Actually what Jews disrespect Jesus? They respect him. At least the ones I have met.

Well I guess my biggest problem is I knew a man who was a Missionary and a doctor over in Africa. He was murdered by Muslims in front of his wife. Simply because he was a Christian. They praised Allah and his Prophet as they hacked him to death. He was just one of many. Amazingly one of the murders was the Local Imam of the village that everyone knew. These men who did this were never brought to justice, but they were praised by the local government which was run by Muslims.

Why would they even consider bringing those murderers to justice? The muslims are following their ‘religion’ when they kill infidels. And the ‘moderate’ muslims are following their ‘religion’ when they deny such actions and say that the murderer is not a real muslim - and that is the deception that is part of islam.

 

[Muslim_Woman]

Salaam/peace;

Actually what Jews disrespect Jesus? They respect him. ms.

wooow…another new info…thanks for sharing

Jews respect Jesus (p) as a blessed Prophet of God Almighty or son of god or what ? Do they believe in Virgin Mary (p) ?

 

[R_not]

Salaam/peace;

wooow…another new info…thanks for sharing

Jews respect Jesus (p) as a blessed Prophet of God Almighty or son of god or what ? Do they believe in Virgin Mary (p) ?

Why do you worry so much about what the Jews believe in? I have never met one that disrespected, bullied, or threatened anyone to believe what they believe in.

They respect Him in regards that they know we believe He is our God and Savior - even though He is not theirs.

They respect your god too. It is the muslims who do not respect what the Jews, or anyone else believes in, or else they wouldn’t be committing so many atrocities against others around this world in the name of their god, allah.

 

[Silouan]

Saint Silouan on Love

The soul cannot know peace unless she prays for her enemies. The soul that has learned of God’s grace to pray, feels love and compassion for every created thing, and in particular for mankind, for whom the Lord suffered on the Cross, and His soul was heavy for every one of us.

The Lord taught me to love my enemies. Without the grace of God we cannot love our enemies. Only the Holy Spirit teaches love, and then even devils arouse our pity because they have fallen from good, and lost humility in God.

I beseech you, put this to the test. When a man affronts you or brings dishonor on your head, or takes what is yours, or persecutes the Church, pray to the Lord, saying: “O Lord, we are all Thy creatures. Have pity on Thy servants and turn their hearts to repentance,” and you will be aware of grace in your soul. To begin with, constrain your heart to love enemies, and the Lord, seeing your good will, will help you in all things, and experience itself will show you the way. But the man who thinks with malice of his enemies has not God’s love within him, and does not know God.

If you will pray for your enemies, peace will come to you; but when you can love your enemies - know that a great measure of the grace of God dwells in you, though I do not say perfect grace as yet, but sufficient for salvation. Whereas if you revile your enemies, it means there is an evil spirit living in you and bringing evil thoughts into your heart, for, in the words of the Lord, out of the heart proceed evil thoughts - or good thoughts.

The good man thinks to himself in this wise: Every one who has strayed from the truth brings destruction on himself and is therefore to be pitied. But of course the man who has not learned the love of the Holy Spirit will not pray for his enemies. The man who has learned love from the Holy Spirit sorrows all his life over those who are not saved, and sheds abundant tears for the people, and the grace of God gives him strength to love his enemies.

Understand me. It is so simple. People who do not know God, or who go against Him, are to be pitied; the heart sorrows for them and the eye weeps. Both paradise and torment are clearly visible to us: We know this through the Holy Spirit. And did not the Lord Himself say, “The kingdom of God is within you”? Thus eternal life has its beginning here in this life; and it is here that we sow the seeds of eternal torment. Where there is pride there cannot be grace, and if we lose grace we also lose both love of God and assurance in prayer. The soul is then tormented by evil thoughts and does not understand that she must humble herself and love her enemies, for there is no other way to please God.

What shall I render unto Thee, O Lord,
for that Thou hast poured such great mercy on my soul?
Grant, I beg Thee, that I may see my iniquities,
and ever weep before Thee,
for Thou art filled with love for humble souls,
and dost give them the grace of the Holy Spirit.

O merciful God, forgive me.
Thou seest how my soul is drawn to Thee, her Creator.
Thou hast wounded my soul with Thy love,
and she thirsts for Thee, and wearies without end,
and day and night, insatiable, reaches toward Thee,
and has no wish to look upon this world, though I do love it,
but above all I love Thee, my Creator,
and my soul longs after Thee.

O my Creator, why have I, Thy little creature,
grieved Thee so often? Yet Thou hast not remembered my sins.

Glory be to the Lord God that He gave us His Only-begotten
Son for the sake of our salvation.
Glory be to the Only-begotten Son that He deigned to be
born of the Most Holy Virgin, and suffered for our salvation,
and gave us His Most Pure Body and Blood to eternal life,
and sent His Holy Spirit on the earth.

O Lord, grant me tears to shed for myself,
and for the whole universe,
that the nations may know Thee and live eternally with Thee,
O Lord, vouchsafe us the gift of Thy humble Holy Spirit,
that we may apprehend Thy glory.

This is why I love Saint Silouan. He has the unconditional love of Christ. He gets it, he understands Christ. His icon is on my wall.

In Christ,

Silouan

 

[R_not]

This is why I love Saint Silouan. He has the unconditional love of Christ. He gets it, he understands Christ. His icon is on my wall.

In Christ,

Silouan

And where does it say that one cannot do that and still make sure people are well informed as to what evil is in our day?

It seems to me that some are unable to do two things at once.

 

[Silouan]

i was replying to your comparison…yes i agree that early Christians did not have a nation, that’s because Jesus did not limit His covenant to a specific nation but to all humanity…and we must remember that conflict with Romans was still there, and still Jesus did not include wars as part of his mission or teachings…something Muhammad should have pondered on, before asking people to kill and humiliate others based on religion and at the same time claim to confirm previous scriptures and even “perfect” them.

 

[inJESUS]

that was a very beautiful quote about St. Silouan…never heard of him, but i read other saints say the same