Islam is BAD!!!

[KenEOTE]

** Effort is being made to distract silouan from the right path. There is no need to that. If silouan cannot saywhat is right then it is bad. There is no absolute order against judgement. It is necessary to judge the own doings and of the others in ones mind all the time. That is called retrospection. The faculty of wisdom is given to mankind for such a purpose.

Please do not disturb silouan or the Muslim woman.**

Planten,

If Silouan and Muslim woman wish not to be disturbed they can private message eachother. Its a forum. You are going to be disturbed here.
Silouan can say what is right as can everyone else on here. The point I was making is Silouan was upset that someone was saying what they had witnessed and obsereved from muslims. R_not as the same right to say hey that is bad. Yet when R_not and other spoke out saying what was being done in the name of Islam was bad, the muslims came running to defend Islam. If they truly wanted to defend Islam they would have condemed the actions of the ones doing the Evil. That was not wahat was being said or done.

 

[Silouan]

Planten,

If Silouan and Muslim woman wish not to be disturbed they can private message eachother. Its a forum. You are going to be disturbed here.
Silouan can say what is right as can everyone else on here. The point I was making is Silouan was upset that someone was saying what they had witnessed and obsereved from muslims. R_not as the same right to say hey that is bad. Yet when R_not and other spoke out saying what was being done in the name of Islam was bad, the muslims came running to defend Islam. If they truly wanted to defend Islam they would have condemed the actions of the ones doing the Evil. That was not wahat was being said or done.

Greetings,

I just want to clarify my position. I have no problem with R_not speaking out against the injustice caused my Muslims, such as suicide bombings and honor killings. And I have no problem if R_not says that there are some modern Muslim scholars who support suicide bombings. But I do have a problem when she says, that Honor killings and suicide bombings are supported by Quran and Hadiths. And I have a problem with R_not saying that honor killing is Islamic.

I don’t mind if she makes truthful statements, but I have a problem when she says something that is untrue. Her statements need to be clarified. She has every right to speak out against the injustices caused by Muslims.

I hope I clarified myself.

In Christ,

Silouan

 

[Booklover]

Why do you even respond to R_not? She is beyond help. You know how you have bad Muslims, like Osama Bin Laden. Well we have bad Christians and R_not is one of them.

The only help for her is prayers and a miracle.

There are some really good Christians, who knows what it means to be Christ like and to be just. And I don’t want you to get the wrong picture of Christianity and what is teaches. Christ has never taught any of us to be like R_not.

And may the Lord have Mercy on all of us.

In Christ,

Silouan

Why did you even bother to leave Islam if you think it’s so beautiful and so forth?

You’re doing the typical thing that Muslims do when confronted with someone who sees Islam as evil, you’re accusing R_not of not being a good Christian, in other words, you’re discrediting her posts and judging her because her views of Islam are not the same as yours!

Every day we hear of atrocities committed by Muslims in the name of Islam but we’re not supposed to judge Islam by their actions! How else can we judge it? Just a cursory look at the Quran shows that it preaches intolerance and hatred towards unbelievers!

Muslims are told by the Quran that they’re the best of creation and yet in spite of all that, they somehow cannot even follow the dictates of their religion correctly, or so they tell us.

Why do Muslims have to keep stating that Islam is a religion of peace? Because their actions deny that “fact”.

What is your reaction to what you consider evil? Do you not feel repulsed by it? Or feel anger or hatred towards it? Think about that before judging others!

Vickie

 

[planten]

Greetings,

I just want to clarify my position. I have no problem with R_not speaking out against the injustice caused my Muslims, such as suicide bombings and honor killings. And I have no problem if R_not says that there are some modern Muslim scholars who support suicide bombings. But I do have a problem when she says, that Honor killings and suicide bombings are supported by Quran and Hadiths. And I have a problem with R_not saying that honor killing is Islamic.

I don’t mind if she makes truthful statements, but I have a problem when she says something that is untrue. Her statements need to be clarified. She has every right to speak out against the injustices caused by Muslims.

I hope I clarified myself.

In Christ,

Silouan

**Again another good and justified statement by silouan. In other posts, silouan has shown perfect union with christendom. That is the best. We wish all to be christians, to remain christians and to be good christians. We Muslims have no problem with the good christians.

Similarly we wish that Muslims be good Muslims away from any terrorism or killing of innocent people. Muslims should not wge any holy war in the name of Islam. If they have any political point to settele then taht should be done in the name of politics only.**

 

[KenEOTE]

Why did you even bother to leave Islam if you think it’s so beautiful and so forth?

You’re doing the typical thing that Muslims do when confronted with someone who sees Islam as evil, you’re accusing R_not of not being a good Christian, in other words, you’re discrediting her posts and judging her because her views of Islam are not the same as yours!

Every day we hear of atrocities committed by Muslims in the name of Islam but we’re not supposed to judge Islam by their actions! How else can we judge it? Just a cursory look at the Quran shows that it preaches intolerance and hatred towards unbelievers!

Muslims are told by the Quran that they’re the best of creation and yet in spite of all that, they somehow cannot even follow the dictates of their religion correctly, or so they tell us.

Why do Muslims have to keep stating that Islam is a religion of peace? Because their actions deny that “fact”.

What is your reaction to what you consider evil? Do you not feel repulsed by it? Or feel anger or hatred towards it? Think about that before judging others!

Vickie

Vickie this is a solid and justified post. Well done.

 

[Booklover]

Vickie this is a solid and justified post. Well done.

Thanks!

Vickie

 

[planten]

You’re doing the typical thing that Muslims do when confronted with someone who sees Islam as evil, you’re accusing R_not of not being a good Christian, in other words, you’re discrediting her posts and judging her because her views of Islam are not the same as yours!

Not at all. silouan had advised R-not to behave in good manner as a christian.The posts of R-not are usually full of falsehood and hatred. That is giving bad example of chritianity. Silouan is a good christian. If Silouan tried to do good then all you people are trying to stop and mislead the person from a good path. That is a bad attitude.It also spoils the show.

Every day we hear of atrocities committed by Muslims in the name of Islam but we’re not supposed to judge Islam by their actions! How else can we judge it? Just a cursory look at the Quran shows that it preaches intolerance and hatred towards unbelievers!

 

[KenEOTE]

Booklover;4109526:

There is no need to worry about that. The christian forces are punishing the muslims too. So what is the problem?

What a bad suggestion or bad question. Every one is judging Silouan. Is that not bad? I believe that silouan is a good christian and all should be like silouan. i.e. be patient, loving and truthful.

Christians are to be patient, loving and truthful, Shouldn’t Muslims be the same way?

You obviously aren’t. You claim Christian Forces are punishing the Muslims. Where is that happening?

If you say Iraq or Afganistan you would be lying. It has been pointed out to you many times that the Allied forces in those countries and aroudn the world are multi-national and multi-religion. Even if you just look at the US forces they are multi-racial and multi-relgion. They are not Christian forces.

Secondly the forces are not punishing Muslims. They are fighting terrorists. Oh wait are you admiting that the terrorists are muslims? Thanks for proving R_Not’s point.

 

[planten]

Vickie this is a solid and justified post. Well done.

**There was no solidity or justice in that post of booklover. BL had no right to question the reasons for the conversion of silouan. BL is unhappy that siloun converted with those good ideas, with goodness.

There is no need to question why silouan converted fromislam to christian faith. The end result is that she is now a christian and not a muslim. But you people are not happy to let her rest with you.

The conversion of silouan was also a good thing. At least she acted on what she found to be right. And if there is more goodness andtruth in christianity, she will soon learn and improve herself.

I do not see any logic in telling / pressurising some one against doing good deeds and against having good beliefs, against supporting the truth.**

 

[dzheremi]

I don’t know, Planten…it seems to me like Silouan is saying that (s?)he will not lie about Islam in order to make Christians feel like they know more than people who have actually followed the religion, as Silouan has. In this respect, frankly, I wish you were more like Silouan and would act as Silouan does when you talk about Christianity, because you do not understand Christianity nearly as well as you think you do. With every post about how we do not “have a real book” or how “the Christians are punishing the Muslims”, you reveal more and more your lack of understanding of how Christianity operates, and become less and less respectful in your arguments.

 

[bob0331]

1 John 2:21-23 “I write to you not because you do not know the truth but because you do, and because every lie is alien to the truth. Who is the Liar? Whoever DENIES that JESUS is the CHRIST. Whoever DENIES the FATHER and the SON, this is the antichrist. No one who DENIES the SON has the FATHER, but whoever confesses the SON has the FATHER as well.”

That pretty much puts an end to the argument. Since there is no way Allah can have a son, Muhammad was an antichrist. No need in arguing with me, argue with the Apostle John!

God Bless

 

[Booklover]

planten;4111109:

Christians are to be patient, loving and truthful, Shouldn’t Muslims be the same way?

You obviously aren’t. You claim Christian Forces are punishing the Muslims. Where is that happening?

If you say Iraq or Afganistan you would be lying. It has been pointed out to you many times that the Allied forces in those countries and aroudn the world are multi-national and multi-religion. Even if you just look at the US forces they are multi-racial and multi-relgion. They are not Christian forces.

Secondly the forces are not punishing Muslims. They are fighting terrorists. Oh wait are you admiting that the terrorists are muslims? Thanks for proving R_Not’s point.

Why does the posting system keep messing up? The post you’re replying to appears to be from me, Booklover, but was actually by Planten.

Vickie

 

[Malgosia]

1 John 2:21-23 “I write to you not because you do not know the truth but because you do, and because every lie is alien to the truth. Who is the Liar? Whoever DENIES that JESUS is the CHRIST. Whoever DENIES the FATHER and the SON, this is the antichrist. No one who DENIES the SON has the FATHER, but whoever confesses the SON has the FATHER as well.”

That pretty much puts an end to the argument. Since there is no way Allah can have a son, Muhammad was an antichrist. No need in arguing with me, argue with the Apostle John!

God Bless

Well said, bob0331, thank you for that!

Planten, you claim that Muslims have the real book, yet they cannot understand it. At least second part of your statement is right.

My husband’s grandmother who was born and raised in Iran in a muslim family, was desperately looking for Koran translated into Farsi (native language of Iran). She died before she could find one. She wanted to see for herself if what imams were saying was true.

I heard that if Koran is translated from Arabic, it’s not even considered Koran. It has to be in its original Arabic version to be that. And even Arabic speaking people cannot understand it, since it is written in a poetic language of old Arabic.

Therefore, this cuts of the majority of Muslims out of understanding their own holy book, and gives a lot of power to Islamic clergy to push their own agenda on the masses. How they interpret the text becomes the truth to those that listen.

How said.

 

[Angelos]

Why does the posting system keep messing up? The post you’re replying to appears to be from me, Booklover, but was actually by Planten.

Vickie

This is simply because there is quotation within a post quoted by someone else. In order to solve this problem, it is necessary to preview the post and just delete the secondary quote. This is what I always do

If we do not delete the quotation within the quote, the system automatically detects the secondary quotation as the main one and leaves the main quotation out. This is why planten’s name appears at the top of the quotation in squares

Peace.

 

[Silouan]

You’re doing the typical thing that Muslims do when confronted with someone who sees Islam as evil, you’re accusing R_not of not being a good Christian, in other words, you’re discrediting her posts and judging her because her views of Islam are not the same as yours!

1. Well, I just talk to by priest about this issue that I am having. And I am in error, in how I am correcting R_not. He told me that I should correct with Love and compassion. And I admit me saying R_not is a bad Christian is not loving nor with compassion. I seek her forgivennes in this for I am wrong, in my approach.
2. I am not discrediting her post simply because she does not have the same view as I do. I discredit her post simply because they are wrong.

I think we are beating a dead horse.

In Christ,

Silouan

 

[Silouan]

planten;4111109:

Christians are to be patient, loving and truthful, Shouldn’t Muslims be the same way?

You obviously aren’t. You claim Christian Forces are punishing the Muslims. Where is that happening?

If you say Iraq or Afganistan you would be lying. It has been pointed out to you many times that the Allied forces in those countries and aroudn the world are multi-national and multi-religion. Even if you just look at the US forces they are multi-racial and multi-relgion. They are not Christian forces.

Secondly the forces are not punishing Muslims. They are fighting terrorists. Oh wait are you admiting that the terrorists are muslims? Thanks for proving R_Not’s point.

In all honesty I would have to agree with KenEOTE here. America is not really a Christian country, far from it. Christians have some influence in this country, but it is not a Christian country. This country is not governed by Christian laws, so it cannot be Christian.

In Christ,

Silouan

 

[KenEOTE]

KenEOTE;4111156:

In all honesty I would have to agree with KenEOTE here. America is not really a Christian country, far from it. Christians have some influence in this country, but it is not a Christian country. This country is not governed by Christian laws, so it cannot be Christian.

In Christ,

Silouan

Thank you Silouan. If I get anything across to Muslim Woman and Ham and Planten that is what I would want them to know and understand. I think that if the Muslims of the world understood that, it would clear up a lot of the issues that are happening. Many of them think it is a Holy War Christian versus Muslims and it is not.

 

[rikkk1958]

I think I should believe Silouan, feeling the sincerity of her post(is she or he?). I also liked the way she reponds to any degree of criticism which is based on “love” Jesus taught us. A christian must in the first place a compassionate and slow to anger person. Silouan based her responses on that and we must know how to accept challenges which even if we think we are right, we should consider other’s ideas and take it where it can be proved with the truth. Sometimes we thought we are so right but are not and the best thing to do it is accept if you are proven wrong, or perhaps keep the matter to yourself until you think you can prove you are right. I also like to compliment her of the good response she made regarding the OT and NT. Planten on the other hand has perhaps embedded his soul with Muhammed and I can only pray on softening his heart and mind in accepting what is true. Planten, salvation is upon you if you open your eyes wider and Jesus clearly said that to you. I am the way, the truth, and the life.

 

[Silouan]

I think I should believe Silouan, (is she or he?).

Thanks, I am a man by the way.

In Christ,

Silouan

 

[Charlie_Zeaiter]

**… Muslims have the true book original with them… **

Maybe muslims are right - Maybe the Qur’an today is exactly the same as it was at the time of Muhammad; But what does it prove?