ISLAM is False, Mulhammad is false

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Departed_Light said:
I don’t think I have a problem with the Catholic possition on Islam, I am just confused by it. I don’t understand it right now. Maybe I will over time. All post are helpful! 🙂 We all gotta figure it out some how, right?
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God bless you for being so charitable. I just could see the Christ that is in you.🙂
Departed_Light said:
Peace to you and on your house, Reuben (Jacob’s first born - good name sake :))
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Easy for you to figure that out, eh? Reuben the first-born of Jacob. How wonderful it is that in Christ, all of us Christians are first-borns of the ever loving Father God.

May the Lord bless you and give you peace. 🙂
 
Byzantine_Wolf said:
Ah yes, the parakletos argument. Easily destroyed with one passage of scripture:

But the Helper, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in My name, He will teach you all things, and bring to your remembrance all things that I said to you. [Luke 14:26]

Mohammad is not the parakletos - the Holy Spirit is the parakletos, as spoken by the words of Jesus Himself. 🙂
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OR by the words of luke 🙂

wasalam
 
planten said:
** Bill Pick, Jesus was also a prophet of God. He warned his friends to be careful of the false prophets. He never said that true prophets will not come. How can Jesus say that true prophets will not come?. He warned his friends about the false prophets / messengers. So christians should have been careful about the false messengers. that was enough.

But they always did more than what needed, what was necessary. Like making a god out of a man, was more than necessary. Jesus was very well as a messenger of God. But church leapt one step forward and made Jesus into God.

Similarly, if Jesus said “be careful about false prophets. Many false prophets will come.”, the christians forgot all about any true prophet of God. Prophets had been coming from time immemorial to mankind. Only prophets/ messengers had been coming. Never a God came himself. But the christians brought a God and also shut the door to any future prophet / messnger. Why?

When Jesus did not say that true prophet will not come, then why the church took up that line seriously?? Jesus warned you about false prophets, not about true prophets.**
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Panla, Again you show your ignorance of the christian faith Jesus is God, He is God, the Father and the Holy spirit as a muslam you will never understand this it is more then you can understand. READ John 1:1 —mutlammad is not and was NOT a prophets,he was a murder
 
What we can is that Muslims seek God. They themsleves say it is the God of Abraham. They have given God a differenent name, a name attached to a demon (allah).

While their Koran contains the Name of Jesus, some of it , by our faith, is twisted. They claim it is the Jews who twisted the truth.

Ever wonder just why Pope John paul II kissed the Koran? Just because the Name of our Lord and Savior was contained in that book. It is my personal belief that the pope was following a principal of blessing those who curse you. That kiss was a blessing and then it becomes as a hedge, protecting you from the harms of curses thrown your way and turn it towards the curser.

It is a delicate dance the church does when it speaks of islam. Because there are those in islam who truely do seek God, who truely pray to God, in the best manner they understand. And , while, thier understanding of Jesus is not the same as our understanding, it is that same dim knowledge that is useful in their obtaining salvation. If it all be “to no fault of thier own,” The same goes for Jews, those of whom remain “blinded” by God to Jesus as Messiah, for God’s purpose, yet to be done.
 
planten said:
** B W, you please respond to my present post. then present your old problems to me one by one only i.e. one point at a time. i will remain close to your words and will try to reply as well as I could. Thanks.

If your points were in some different threads then please indicate those threads in this thread only**.
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You have a lot of nerve asking people to do things when you refuse to:
  1. stop avoiding questions and answer them;
  2. develop logical arguments without using fallacies;
  3. provide proof with references that we can check out;
  4. stop dragging Christianity down to the level of Islam.
 
sedonaman said:
You have a lot of nerve asking people to do things when you refuse to:
  1. stop avoiding questions and answer them;
  2. develop logical arguments without using fallacies;
  3. provide proof with references that we can check out;
  4. stop dragging Christianity down to the level of Islam.
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no 4 should be: stop rising up christianity to the level of islam

wasalam
 
Hadi said:
no , Islam is beautiful 🙂 …and its beauty is in the eye of the beholder
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If as a Catholic I can perceive beauty in the Koran, how much more beautiful must it appear to the eye of a believing practitioner of Islam. But beauty must usually exist as a facade to error. No member who long perseveres in any religion can keep it up unless there is something lovely to which the will can become attached. I grant Islam is beautfiul without admitting that it is completely true. Presumably, a Muslim can also concede that there are elements of beauty in Catholic theology not to mention the fruit of Her theology: the architecture, music, and paintings which have been fed by those teachings. It would seem then that we should be able to agree that beauty, while a necessary attribute of truth, cannot be used to deny the possibility of error.

I also know that Catholics cannot convince Muslims of error simply because their doctrine does not match Catholic interpretations of the Scriptures. Take away Catholic Tradition, and I would consider Islam very seriously as the way by which the God who I believe in by means of natural religion, has revealed Himself to man supernaturally. Since Muslims do not even start with Catholic Tradition, it is of little avail to appeal to it.

In my humble opinion Hadi, Islam’s error is perceived through seeing that Muhammad was not enlightened to understand the predominant teachings of Christianity, but rather he seemed to be more familiar with obscure Christian sects of the desert that failed to give the best defense for Christianity. If he had been familiar with two natures in Christ, we wouldn’t see the simple argument in the Koran against the divinity of Christ based on the fact that He ate food. This doesn’t seem to me to be a knowledgable, refined argument against the divinity of Christ. If this objection of mine can be answered, I still fear that as a Muslim, who had once known the Catholic faith, I would be disconcerted about how Muhammad seemed, under the direction of God, to be unfamiliar with the most imposing and predominant views within Christianity.

Respectfully,

Rory
 
ZAKI said:
OR by the words of luke 🙂

wasalam
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…D’OH! bangs head against desk

That’s what long hours at work will do to you. My bad. 😛

That’s taken from John’s gospel, not Luke’s. John was, remember, the disciple Christ loved the most, and one of the top three of all of them (next to Peter and James).
 
Hadi said:
why is Judaism not false for that same reason ?
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Judaism does not “deny the divinity of Christ” . Jews generally deny that but it is not part of written Jewish religion. Judaism alone is not false…Jesus was a practising Jew.
 
Byzantine_Wolf said:
Then why aren’t they Christians? :confused:
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Jews were the original Christians…I think the feud was over evangelizing non Jews. Anyway I will let some scholar explain it since the problem was over a thousand years old it was a little before my time. Suffice it to say…the roots of my faith and yours I assume are (is) Jewish. Jews For Jesus ( not a contradiction ) simply Jews who accept Christ as the Messiah.
 
ZAKI said:
:yup:
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:dts:
planten said:
No BS with us, Jharek. We know all about the beating of the wives in your countries. When a husband comes home drunk, full of booze, he does not recognise his wife. he beats her on the slightest excuse. the poor soul (of the lady) suffers much and finally there is a divorce. Do you know why you have so many (maximum) divorce cases in your places when divorce was not allowed to you. It means your religion has failed to deliver the goods. do you see your own BS?
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