ISLAM is False, Mulhammad is false

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Well in Indonesian language, we also use the word Allah for the word “God”, and we do have it in the Indonesian translations of the Bible to refer to God, but we always aware that we have borrowed this word from Arab. As for the conversational language we rarely use it, we usually refer to the original Indonesian word “Tuhan” which can be translated to God, or god, or Lord, and btw the Muslims usually say the word “Allah” in arabic accent while the Christians say in Indonesian accent, so whenever we talk about God, we always know what the religious background of the speaker is. And somehow, it also feels that we’re referring to the different God 😉

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DeusVult09 said:
while the moongod theory is rather bogus it is a fact that Islam does have pagan origins. these include, hajj , running between safa and marwa, circling the kaba (the pagans did it naked), revering the black stone, stoning satan, ramadan etc etc. hell! the pagan Arabs even used to call their head god, the lunar deity Hubal, Allah (possibly what started the moon god theory)
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Do you know that Ibraheem also came from pagan origins. So you woul dblame him too. I know you have least respect for any prophet of God.
Muslims will say that the pagan Arabs learnt all these things from ibrahim when he went to Mecca and built the kaba so its really just monotheistic traditions which Mohammad revived from the darkness of paganism but there is no evidence ibrahim ever went to Mecca. The torah never mentions it. The only account of it happening is in the Koran a book written some 2600 years after Ibrahim was supposed to have lived. There is no evidence that the kaba even existed in the time of Ibrahim (around 2000 bc) and the 1st written record of it is in the 2nd century AD by the roman historian Ptolemy. It took 2000 years before somebody wrote about it verifying its existence? i don’t think so! The Arabs were surrounded by literate cultures, if Mecca was as prominent and as old as Muslims say there should be a lot more evidence but there is no archeological evidence that Mecca even existed at the time of ibrahim.
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religionresearchinstitute.org/mecca/archeology.htm

**You are way off the mark. YOu are saying that there is no evidence that Jesus existed. Some people do insist that Jesus never existed. What will you do then?

The man of God, Ibraheem who had two sons, both were blessed by God, both were settled in far away areas from each other. So you tell me where went the children of Ishmael? Ishmael who was the beloved first born of Ibraheem, who had 12 sons mentioned as princes in the bibleOT. Did they disappear from the earth? You are perverting history. I advise you to restrict yourself to Jesus only and look after your Jesus please.

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This is all a concocted history by Mohammad used to cover up Islam’s pagan origins by saying yes those rituals are pagan but its ok because the pagans originally got them from ibrahim so islam isn’t pagan and monotheistic. Such an argument his highly dubious and unsubstantiated
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**Sorry, whoever you are and whatever you are. You have no center. You have no direction. Your ancestors (The Jews) had good religion. They had a center, a house of God. They had a sense of direction too and importance of prayer to One God. They had a law.The Jews were far better than you. You have no law. Remember that the religion brought by Muhammad is close to that of Moses. You are nowhere.

Every one knows that Jesus was a Jew, for the Jews only. he did not want to preach to any non-Jew. He did not want to start a new religion. Jesus only wanted to revive the religion of Jews. You have departed away from the original mission of Jesus. So you will have to answer to God for that. I am writing all this because you have started discussing the origin of Islam and blamed it with paganism.

There was paganism in Makkah and Arabia when Muhammad came. But when he went away, there was no sign of paganism in Arabia. What did he do wrong?? Nothing. In fact the whole world was sunk deep in paganism. The people of the book had also gone over to pagan beliefs. Muhammad came and eradicated paganism from the world.

Please be thankful to Muhammad.**
 
**Sorry, whoever you are and whatever you are. You have no center. You have no direction. Your ancestors (The Jews) had good religion. They had a center, a house of God. They had a sense of direction too and importance of prayer to One God. They had a law.The Jews were far better than you. You have no law. Remember that the religion brought by Muhammad is close to that of Moses. You are nowhere.

😃 I sometimes feel the same toward Christians
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NoWings said:
Very well. What is the name of the biblical God in the Arabic language?

Allah is a contraction of al-ilah (The God). I can’t think of anything better to call Him.
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If Allah is in fact a contraction of two words, al and ilah, then it is wrong in saying that allah is Arabic for Elohim of the Bible God, just like many muslim apologists says.

Al ilah is said to be ‘The God’ in English transliteration, then its counterpart in Hebrew should be HA EL and not Elohim.

Anyways, enough with word play. Try **ABINA **- Father for a start.

During pre islamic Arabia, the Syrian Christians also use ALAHA to properly address God just like Eloha in Hebrew. These were very powerful Arabian Christian tribes who were dominant both in Syria and Iraq and who wrote and spoke SYRIAC.

**Abina Alaha – God The Father **
 
seraphime2008 said:
Well in Indonesian language, we also use the word Allah for the word “God”, and we do have it in the Indonesian translations of the Bible to refer to God, but we always aware that we have borrowed this word from Arab. As for the conversational language we rarely use it, we usually refer to the original Indonesian word “Tuhan” which can be translated to God, or god, or Lord, and btw the Muslims usually say the word “Allah” in arabic accent while the Christians say in Indonesian accent, so whenever we talk about God, we always know what the religious background of the speaker is. And somehow, it also feels that we’re referring to the different God 😉

Just a bit of info
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Well as a Christian we call Him God, and it is very insulting when a mulsum come to a Cathloic board and tell us Our Lord did not die on a croos and He lived until the age of 123.
 
Why is the prophet Muhammad, the FINAL PROPHET, never alluded to by the prophets before him, yet the saviour Jesus Christ is? And why did God visibly come and reveal all the other prophets and His Son, yet nobody saw God speak to Muhammad? On Mt. Sinai God gave Moses the Ten Commandments with people to see. When Jesus was baptized, and at the transfiguration, God clearly tells us of His Son Jesus Christ.
 
Bill_Pick said:
Well as a Christian we call Him God, and it is very insulting when a mulsum come to a Cathloic board and tell us Our Lord did not die on a croos and He lived until the age of 123.
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Get things right bud. In Arabic God is called Allah. In case you didn’t know, the Eastern Catholics call him Allah too. God bless you. 😉
 
Hadi said:
and why is Alaha very close to Allah ?? coincidence ?
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They’re kinda almost spelled sort of the same - that’s a grand linguistic revelation?

By that logic, Bob is a thief because “Bob” is very close to “rob.”
 
Byzantine_Wolf said:
They’re kinda almost spelled sort of the same - that’s a grand linguistic revelation?

By that logic, Bob is a thief because “Bob” is very close to “rob.”
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Allah , Eloah, Elohim , El , Alaha are all Semitic names for God…they all have a common linguistic origin
 
planten said:
Do you know that Ibraheem also came from pagan origins. So you woul dblame him too. I know you have least respect for any prophet of God.

religionresearchinstitute.org/mecca/archeology.htm

**You are way off the mark. YOu are saying that there is no evidence that Jesus existed. Some people do insist that Jesus never existed. What will you do then?

The man of God, Ibraheem who had two sons, both were blessed by God, both were settled in far away areas from each other. So you tell me where went the children of Ishmael? Ishmael who was the beloved first born of Ibraheem, who had 12 sons mentioned as princes in the bibleOT. Did they disappear from the earth? You are perverting history. I advise you to restrict yourself to Jesus only and look after your Jesus please.

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**Sorry, whoever you are and whatever you are. You have no center. You have no direction. Your ancestors (The Jews) had good religion. They had a center, a house of God. They had a sense of direction too and importance of prayer to One God. They had a law.The Jews were far better than you. You have no law. Remember that the religion brought by Muhammad is close to that of Moses. You are nowhere.

Every one knows that Jesus was a Jew, for the Jews only. he did not want to preach to any non-Jew. He did not want to start a new religion. Jesus only wanted to revive the religion of Jews. You have departed away from the original mission of Jesus. So you will have to answer to God for that. I am writing all this because you have started discussing the origin of Islam and blamed it with paganism.

There was paganism in Makkah and Arabia when Muhammad came. But when he went away, there was no sign of paganism in Arabia. What did he do wrong?? Nothing. In fact the whole world was sunk deep in paganism. The people of the book had also gone over to pagan beliefs. Muhammad came and eradicated paganism from the world.

Please be thankful to Muhammad.**
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muhammad, Remember he was not able to read, he was a inbaecile
 
His niceness is very inconsistent, though. It is generally dependent on how much he agrees with the post he is responding to. He makes me miss Sister Amy.
 
planten said:
Do you know that Ibraheem also came from pagan origins. So you woul dblame him too. I know you have least respect for any prophet of God.

religionresearchinstitute.org/mecca/archeology.htm

**You are way off the mark. YOu are saying that there is no evidence that Jesus existed. Some people do insist that Jesus never existed. What will you do then?

The man of God, Ibraheem who had two sons, both were blessed by God, both were settled in far away areas from each other. So you tell me where went the children of Ishmael? Ishmael who was the beloved first born of Ibraheem, who had 12 sons mentioned as princes in the bibleOT. Did they disappear from the earth? You are perverting history. I advise you to restrict yourself to Jesus only and look after your Jesus please.

**

**Sorry, whoever you are and whatever you are. You have no center. You have no direction. Your ancestors (The Jews) had good religion. They had a center, a house of God. They had a sense of direction too and importance of prayer to One God. They had a law.The Jews were far better than you. You have no law. Remember that the religion brought by Muhammad is close to that of Moses. You are nowhere.

Every one knows that Jesus was a Jew, for the Jews only. he did not want to preach to any non-Jew. He did not want to start a new religion. Jesus only wanted to revive the religion of Jews. You have departed away from the original mission of Jesus. So you will have to answer to God for that. I am writing all this because you have started discussing the origin of Islam and blamed it with paganism.

There was paganism in Makkah and Arabia when Muhammad came. But when he went away, there was no sign of paganism in Arabia. What did he do wrong?? Nothing. In fact the whole world was sunk deep in paganism. The people of the book had also gone over to pagan beliefs. Muhammad came and eradicated paganism from the world.

Please be thankful to Muhammad.**
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Ibrahim was a pagan but became a monothiest. this has no bearing on whether or not he went to Mecca and as there is not one written record of him having done so till 2600 years after he was supposed to have lived i find that highly unlikely.

There is evidence Jesus existed he is mentioned in the writings of something like 20 1st and 2nd century non Christian authors. There is no such evidence for ibrahim going to mecca.

haha that’s the most moronic argument i have ever heard. If ibrahim ever went to Mecca why is there no record it ever existed during the time of Ibrahim? why ? why do the surrounding Arabian kingdoms never mention mecca anywhere? why is there no proof it existed until after the advent of Christianity. if the kaba was built in 2000 bc by ibrahim why is there no evidence for it until the 2nd century AD by the Roman Historian Ptolemy? You failed to answer any of these questions and have just ranted on about unrelated drivel.

My ancestors were not Jews and suggesting as such is highly ridiculous since you do not even know where im from. yes Jesus was a Jew not a Muslim they are not the same thing , im glad a Muslim finally admitted it.

I proved that Islam is pagan and you had no response and no evidence to prove other wise you are really pathetic. If there’s no proof Ibrahim ever went near mecca then how can you say well he introduced all these things to the Arabians who reverted to paganism? That is a very weak argument. Produce some proof verifying what the kroan says.

Hahah the Jews are better than me . Typical using personal attacks when you cant answer my argument with any proof.

Nope Mohammad didn’t eradicate paganism he incorporated pagan rituals into his religion. This is a fact either admit he did so or provide some evidence that Ibarhim went to mecca because so far you have failed to provide 1 single shred of evidence.
 
ZAKI said:
dont bag him out he’s a nice guy

wasalam
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Nice guy? He just insulted me saying that jews are better than me yet claimed I have Jewish ancestors. Strange for a guy who doesn’t even know me
 
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