ISLAM is False, Mulhammad is false

[ZAKI]

Nope the pagan lunar diety Hubal who the arabs called “allah” had 360 other gods

In regards to the other post-Allah has 99 NAMES (attributes) it is not 99 gods by his side.

wasalam

 

[Bill_Pick]

Yes I have you just don’t know my life.

What have I done wrong?

wasalam

You are 15 and do not belong here and you did not answer the person question about your life,tell us about your life and how you did all these thing you say you did

 

[planten]

my ancestors were not Jewish, using the word “ancestor” connotes a direct lineage back to some Jews and im pretty sure i don’t have any Jewish blood. Maybe you meant spiritual ancestors but that is a different thing entirely. not all the ancestors of Christians were jews Christians come from a wide variety of ethnic groups, it is not matter of being Jewish. That is like me saying the ancestors of all Muslims are Arabs which though there are a lot of Arab Muslims there are also Muslims who are black, Muslims who are Asian and muslims who are European. I think you meant spiritual ancestors but im not sure. By the way im not a hindu convert either.

yes all the early Christians were jews Christianity is a Jewish messianic religion. My comments about the origin of Islam were not directed at you but at somebody who brought up the moon god theory. But you took offence to them. All I wanted to know was why there is no archeological evidence to back up the koran’s claims about Mecca or the kaba.

**Thanks for the clarification. I really meant the spiritual ancestors. About archeological evidence, ther eis no need. ka’abah is standing since 1400 years. If anything had disappeared then it would need some evidence by digging up. Not in the case of Ka’abah.

Also about Makkah, it is an old city, quite old. The world did not know much about it. The Arabs were here. The caravan of Nomads who took Joseph (son of Jacob) to Egypt were Arabs. The books of History mention the names of various cities of Arabia according to the names of the sons of Ishmael.
Abraham, very wisely, rather under divine guidance, settled his son Ishmael in the wilderness of Paran in Arabia., far away from any civilised area. That helped the mankind in the end. When after 50 generations after Abraham, Muhammad was born in Makkah, he passed his youth there.

At the age of forty (40), he was visited by the angel (Gabriel) and the revelation started. He pronouced it and just a few people believed in him. His message was “There is no God but Allah. Muhamamd is the messenger of Allah.”

He was highly persecuted and his followers too. He had to migrate to Madinah. The pagans came there to kill the Muslims with their swords. So according to what Jesus had said “Those who kill by the sword will be killed by the sword.”, Muhammad retaliated. He gradually with great difficulty, over came the infidels.

This thing continued for long time, say seven to eight years struggle. There was no king with his forces nearby to catch Muhammad, as it was done in the case of Jesus. Perhaps you should know that Abraham had a hard time with the pagan King in Iraq. Moses had a hard time in Egypt against the king Pharoah. Jesus was caught by the agency of the Roman King. The result was not so good.

But in the case of Muhammad, no such thing happened. By the time the kings became aware of the situation, Islam was well rooted on strong grounds. There were 124,000 followers of Islam at Makkah during the Hajj in year 0631 A.D. with Muhammad as their spiritual leader.

Please keep all this info in mind for any future research. Thanks.**

 

[Hadi]

there seems to be prejudice in the translations of Gen 16:12

And he shall dwell in the face of all his brethren (JPS)

And he will live in hostility toward all his brothers (NIV)

And he will live to the east of all his brothers (NAS)

And he shall dwell in the presence of all his brethren(KJV)

 

[planten]

there seems to be prejudice in the translations of Gen 16:12

And he shall dwell in the face of all his brethren (JPS)

And he will live in hostility toward all his brothers (NIV)

And he will live to the east of all his brothers (NAS)

And he shall dwell in the presence of all his brethren(KJV)

Yes, quite clear. All translations are different. So they are changing daily to suit one meaning or the other. I had read the KJV version stating **And he shall dwell in the presence **of all his brethren(KJV)

 

[Bill_Pick]

More of Planta Hog wash

 

[Byzantine_Wolf]

That’s planten.

And if you call him out on it, he’ll pretend he didn’t notice it and demand you repost it, as if he’s incapable of understand what those numbers to the right of “Post Reply” mean.

 

[sedonaman]

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He was highly persecuted and his followers too. He had to migrate to Madinah. The pagans came there to kill the Muslims with their swords. So according to what Jesus had said “Those who kill by the sword will be killed by the sword.”, Muhammad retaliated. He gradually with great difficulty, over came the infidels.

This thing continued for long time, say seven to eight years struggle. There was no king with his forces nearby to catch Muhammad, as it was done in the case of Jesus.

Please keep all this info in mind for any future research. Thanks.**

Hey, waitaminnit. You told us that the “great King Kaisar of Rome” attacked the Muslims “who had no defense.” Now you say “there was no king with his forces nearby to catch Muhammad…”

So which is it?

 

[sedonaman]

That’s planten.

And if you call him out on it, he’ll pretend he didn’t notice it and demand you repost it, as if he’s incapable of understand what those numbers to the right of “Post Reply” mean.

It’s worse than that. Some posts are “too long” [6,000 word limit, you know] to reply to, and some are “too short” [not enough information].

 

[sedonaman]

All translations are different. So they are changing daily to suit one meaning or the other. …

And the Qur’an is not like this. That’s why there are only the YUSUFALI, PICKTHAL, SHAKIR, DAWOOD, and the SANA’A Qur’ans … plus there are some now lost that were eaten by a goat faithfreedom.org/2009/06/16/ancient-quranic-manuscripts-of-sanaa-and-divine-downfall.

 

[Bill_Pick]

This is what we call hog wash you call propagandda both the same thing not worth the print it takes to write, so just disrrespect

 

[Byzantine_Wolf]

It’s worse than that. Some posts are “too long” [6,000 word limit, you know] to reply to, and some are “too short” [not enough information].

And if you point this out, it means you’ve been defeated, and it’s a victory for Islam!

 

[seraphime2008]

nobody seems to be able to make up their mind
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Here I am^ I am neither a 12 yr old or a 25 year old-im 15 and soon imma be 16
wasalam

Zaki…You may put pictures or yours smiling without ever think that any Christian would harm u even though u have insulted them many times here, as u keep repeating that we’re somehow infidel. .But…don’t you realize that every Christians here wouldn’t put their pictures here as they would be so afraid that they would become the target of muslim terrorist?

 

[seraphime2008]

12And he [Ishmael] will be as a wild ***
among men; his hand will be against
every man and every man’s hand
against him, and he will live to the east
and on the borders of all his kinsmen.

Doesn’t his sound very much like some of the muslims, the ones who claimed his line of ancestry? Now, it’s really confirming the liability of the Bible written many thousand years ago.

 

[DeusVult09]

**Thanks for the clarification. I really meant the spiritual ancestors. About archeological evidence, ther eis no need. ka’abah is standing since 1400 years. If anything had disappeared then it would need some evidence by digging up. Not in the case of Ka’abah.

Also about Makkah, it is an old city, quite old. The world did not know much about it. The Arabs were here. The caravan of Nomads who took Joseph (son of Jacob) to Egypt were Arabs. The books of History mention the names of various cities of Arabia according to the names of the sons of Ishmael.
Abraham, very wisely, rather under divine guidance, settled his son Ishmael in the wilderness of Paran in Arabia., far away from any civilised area. That helped the mankind in the end. When after 50 generations after Abraham, Muhammad was born in Makkah, he passed his youth there.

At the age of forty (40), he was visited by the angel (Gabriel) and the revelation started. He pronouced it and just a few people believed in him. His message was “There is no God but Allah. Muhamamd is the messenger of Allah.”

He was highly persecuted and his followers too. He had to migrate to Madinah. The pagans came there to kill the Muslims with their swords. So according to what Jesus had said “Those who kill by the sword will be killed by the sword.”, Muhammad retaliated. He gradually with great difficulty, over came the infidels.

This thing continued for long time, say seven to eight years struggle. There was no king with his forces nearby to catch Muhammad, as it was done in the case of Jesus. Perhaps you should know that Abraham had a hard time with the pagan King in Iraq. Moses had a hard time in Egypt against the king Pharoah. Jesus was caught by the agency of the Roman King. The result was not so good.

But in the case of Muhammad, no such thing happened. By the time the kings became aware of the situation, Islam was well rooted on strong grounds. There were 124,000 followers of Islam at Makkah during the Hajj in year 0631 A.D. with Muhammad as their spiritual leader.

Please keep all this info in mind for any future research. Thanks.**

What utter nonsense. There is no archeological evidence to back up that it ever existed in the time of ibrahim. Not 1 shred of evidence. Ibrahim’s journey is never once mentioned in the torah , which would be my 1st port of call for verification. Strange if the torah really was a previous revelation of allah and that he wanted people in the future to know about ibrahim going to mecca and building the kaba its but its nowhere. But let me guess that’s because the jews corrupted it right? haahah

. As there is no archeological evidence to support Mecca is that old or any written records of it from the surrounding Arabian kingdoms I am left to conclude that it is indeed a a concocted history used by Mohammad to hide Islam’s pagan origins. The mere inexistence of a written record of the kaba till the 2nd century AD is very damning.

If its so old why is there no proof? Just because you say the world dint know about it doesn’t seem very convincing. The books of History mention the names of various cities of Arabia non of them mecca. There were no civilizations in Arabia till I think 1000BC. 1000 years after Mecca was supposed to have existed andn one of them were near Mecca

The kaba did disappear, it was destroyed numerous times thoughout history. Sons of Ishmael only prove that Arabs existed and were nomads it in now way proves the existence of Mecca 2000BC. Paran is a desert in Israel, it has nothing to do with Saudi Arabia/

 

[Hadi]

" the Arab historian Abu al-Hasan 'Alī al-Mas’ūdī, citing ‘traditional’ Arab history, relates that the Amalekites did indeed exist at this early period having originated in the region of Mecca before the time of Abraham."

Wiki

just some quick search I did …

forget about Abraham,historians and scholars are not sure about the location of the Exodus and mt.Sinai which happened hundreds of years after Abraham (exodusconspiracy.com/)

added: I just read in one tradition that the Amalkites were the first to rebuild the Kabba after Abraham

 

[Bill_Pick]

What utter nonsense. There is no archeological evidence to back up that it ever existed in the time of ibrahim. Not 1 shred of evidence. Ibrahim’s journey is never once mentioned in the torah , which would be my 1st port of call for verification. Strange if the torah really was a previous revelation of allah and that he wanted people in the future to know about ibrahim going to mecca and building the kaba its but its nowhere. But let me guess that’s because the jews corrupted it right? haahah

. As there is no archeological evidence to support Mecca is that old or any written records of it from the surrounding Arabian kingdoms I am left to conclude that it is indeed a a concocted history used by Mohammad to hide Islam’s pagan origins. The mere inexistence of a written record of the kaba till the 2nd century AD is very damning.

If its so old why is there no proof? Just because you say the world dint know about it doesn’t seem very convincing. The books of History mention the names of various cities of Arabia non of them mecca. There were no civilizations in Arabia till I think 1000BC. 1000 years after Mecca was supposed to have existed andn one of them were near Mecca

The kaba did disappear, it was destroyed numerous times thoughout history. Sons of Ishmael only prove that Arabs existed and were nomads it in now way proves the existence of Mecca 2000BC. Paran is a desert in Israel, it has nothing to do with Saudi Arabia/

OPanta How long are you going to be petting your hogwash on this board

 

[planten]

What utter nonsense. There is no archeological evidence to back up that it (Makkah) ever existed in the time of ibrahim.

** Now you are trapped. Nobody said that Makkah existed at the time of Abraham. There was nothing there when Ibraheem left his son Ishmael and wife beloved Hagar there in the wilderness. They were left ther with very little food and water.

That placed later came to be known as makkah, the most important city of the world**.

Not 1 shred of evidence. Ibrahim’s journey is never once mentioned in the torah , which would be my 1st port of call for verification. Strange if the torah really was a previous revelation of allah and that he wanted people in the future to know about ibrahim going to mecca and building the kaba its but its nowhere. But let me guess that’s because the jews corrupted it right? haahah

**You are coming round slowly. Welcome and try to read the Old Testament carefully. Note the point that Sarai wanted the family of Hagar sent away. Sp think over where they were to be sent?

Also remember that Ibraheem had some othe rplace where he used to be most of the time. When sarai died, Ibraheem was not with her at that time. Why? Where was he? he was with his beloved family in Arabia at that time.

So spme one went there to inform Ibraheem about the death of sarai. So Ibraheem came to her place to mourn for sarai. That also proves that Ibraheem has another station too which was imporatant to him. That was the place which later became Makkah. he built a house of God there as he used to do at various places before, in kana’an**.

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As there is no archeological evidence to support Mecca is that old or any written records of it from the surrounding Arabian kingdoms I am left to conclude that it is indeed a a concocted history used by Mohammad to hide Islam’s pagan origins. The mere inexistence of a written record of the kaba till the 2nd century AD is very damning.

That is your idea. Makkah is much older than your Jerusalem. Please check up. Do you have any word about Bethelhem or Nazareth in your bible from the time of Ibraheem? Surely not.

If its so old why is there no proof? Just because you say the world dint know about it doesn’t seem very convincing. The books of History mention the names of various cities of Arabia non of them mecca. There were no civilizations in Arabia till I think 1000BC. 1000 years after Mecca was supposed to have existed andn one of them were near Mecca

** There was no civilisation even when Muhammad came. they were illitrate rude type of people, quite un-civil. What does that matter. they were trading far and wide. It ws the arabs who had taken joseph son of Jacob to Egypt when his brothers sold Joseph to the Nomads.**

The kaba did disappear, it was destroyed numerous times thoughout history. Sons of Ishmael only prove that Arabs existed and were nomads it in now way proves the existence of Mecca 2000BC. Paran is a desert in Israel, it has nothing to do with Saudi Arabia/

**There is no need to discuss with you any further. Paran is the area between Makkah and Madinah. Even now when the travellors travel in buses between Makkah and Madinah, the children sell flowers to the tourists. When tourists ask them “from where did you bring these flowers?” They reply “From the wilderness of Paran.”

That Paran youa re mentioning is wrong. It was a desert where the Jews were made to wander for forty years before entering the promised land. that was a punishment for them because they had refused to advance into the promised land as ordered by Moses.

**

 

[planten]

** Now you are trapped. Nobody said that Makkah existed at the time of Abraham. There was nothing there when Ibraheem left his son Ishmael and wife beloved Hagar there in the wilderness. They were left ther with very little food and water.

That placed later came to be known as makkah, the most important city of the world**.

**You are coming round slowly. Welcome and try to read the Old Testament carefully. Note the point that Sarai wanted the family of Hagar sent away. So think over where they were to be sent? To a nearby village?

Also remember that Ibraheem had some other place where he used to be most of the time. When sarai died, Ibraheem was not with her at that time. Why? Where was he? he was with his beloved family in Arabia at that time.

So some one (servant) went there to inform Ibraheem about the death of sarai. So Ibraheem came to her place to mourn for sarai. That also proves that Ibraheem had another station too, which was important to him. That was the place which later became Makkah. he built a house of God there as he used to do at various other places before, in kana’an**.

.

That is your idea. Makkah is much older than your Jerusalem. Please check up. Do you have any word about Bethelhem or Nazareth in your bible from the time of Ibraheem? Surely not.

** There was no civilisation even when Muhammad came to Arabia. They were uncivilised rude type of people, quite un-civil. What does that matter. they were trading far and wide. It was the Arabs who had taken Joseph son of Jacob to Egypt when his brothers sold Joseph to the Nomads. It was the Arabs who saved the children of jacob from starvation under divine plan. Had joseph not been taken to egypt they ( children of Jacob) would all have died and disappeared from earth.**

**There is no need to discuss with you any further. Paran is the area between Makkah and Madinah. Even now when the travellors travel in buses between Makkah and Madinah, the children sell flowers to the tourists. When tourists ask them “from where did you bring these flowers?” They reply “From the wilderness of Paran.”

That Paran you are mentioning is wrong. That was a desert where the Jews were made to wander for forty years before entering the promised land. That was a punishment for them because they had refused to advance into the promised land as ordered by Moses a.s. It is all mentioned in the quran.

**

 

[Bill_Pick]

planten:
Planten You are the one trapped in you own hog wash…