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Keikiolu
Guest
Is this really true? I need to hear from a moslem as to why this is or is not true.
Any takers?
Mahalo ke Akua…!
E pili mau na pomaika
i ia oe. Aloha nui.
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Any takers?
Mahalo ke Akua…!
E pili mau na pomaika
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Keikiolu
Guest
Why? IS your faith a fraud and a scandal?
If it isn’t, then you can respond to them with a spirit of charity and love and REALLY have a desire to know why they think that.
That gives you a beautiful opportunity to explain your (hopefully) nonfraudulent and non-scandalous faith with them, and discuss the reasons why theirs is incorrect.
If you can’t respond to “insults”, which are in fact simply statements of others perceptions according to what they think they know, in a charitable and loving way with the intent to inform and correct, then you peobably SHOULDN’T make such statements.
If they see everything as insult, then perhaps not actually saying that their faith is a fraud and a scandal is a better tack! I say such things HERE because this is a good (and safe) venue for being “provocative”.
Jesus came to divide, not to “appease”. But to do it in accord with His commandments to love God first and your neighbor as yourself.
If you you were wrong, whouldn’t you want to be lovingly corrected. That’s the job.
If you want to be quiet, and not do as Jesus told you to do, then “respect”, tacitly condone, what you know to be incorrect and harmful in other people.
I’m not saying you should smack people around with your faith at all times. There are proper venues for this kind of conversation. But to not do the job Jesus has commanded of you doesn’t sound like a particularly good idea, does it?
People can not be changed from their incorrect beliefs by force of violence (not following Jesus’ principles), but only through loving conversation (presentation) of the truth.
This deprives no one of their “rights”. You are providing them with a service, not a burden.
He has said that the truth, as best you know it, is to be spread throughout the world.
If you think that it’s impossible to spread the Word while keeping Jesus’ commandments, then you are mistaken, overly busy, and/or not very imaginitive.
(I said that with love, by the way!)Do pray for peace. Peace is not the absence of conflict.
Peace comes via the truth. Peace is the re-ordering of the disordered.
When you see disorder, try to re-order it, but do it only as Jesus tells us to do it.
Mat10:
34 "Do not think that I have come to bring peace upon the earth. I have come to bring not peace but the sword. 35 For I have come to set a man ‘against his father, a daughter against her mother, and a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law; 36 and one’s enemies will be those of his household.’ 37 "Whoever loves father or mother more than me is not worthy of me, and whoever loves son or daughter more than me is not worthy of me; 38 and whoever does not take up his cross 15 and follow after me is not worthy of me.
Mahalo ke Akua…!
E pili mau na pomaika
i ia oe. Aloha nui.
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Keikiolu
Guest
I absolutely agree with you. Go raibh math agat.
My point is that the (incorrect yet popular) PERCEPTION is that the IRA was (is?) a Catholic-based (anti-protestant=Catholic) organization.
To condemn Christianity (Catholicism) for the actions of non-Christian people is a bad thing.
Now, once again,… we could REALLY use some moslems giving us an explanation as to whether islam does or doesn’t “support” “islamic terrorists”.
I want to hear from THEM. It is encumbent on THEM to explain this because I don’t know where to look for that info, and those terrorists who CLAIM to be islamic need to be corrected by fellow members of THEIR faith, not our faith (Christian).
Mahalo ke Akua…!
E pili mau na pomaika
i ia oe. Aloha nui.
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Keikiolu
Guest
Hear hear.
Also, “religious freedom” is not “freedom FROM religion”, it’s freedom to perform one’s religion.
…and any religion which behaviorally violates the commandments of Jesus’ is manifestly a false religion, and should be suppressed.
Human sacrifice (for example) is “uncharitable”, and deserves to be suppressed.
(( But that’s a whole different topic, which if someone would like to start I will be sure to avoid like the plague.
))Mahalo ke Akua…!
E pili mau na pomaika
i ia oe. Aloha nui.
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DB_AND_ALI
Guest
So well put…thanks ; when it comes to the war on terror i could have told president Bush a thing or two about islamic ways and norms , to such a degree that he might have thought of far more effective ways of dealing with the problem. Just to give you an idea of a local ‘war’ i have been watching with amusement regards the control of the local mosque here in the city…the in-fighting , back-biting never seems to end and this is due to the fact that members all belong to sunni sub-groups/tribes !!! Never mind that they are all meant to be sunnis…fortunately we don’t have any shia’s in town…with a lot more homework perhaps the president could have used other tactics !!!
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jack_hawkins
Guest
The thing is that it’s understandable that Irish Catholics might have supported the IRA, but support among Catholics elsewhere would have been very low. Whereas with Muslims, even when a war of liberation is launched to get rid of a brutal dictator Saddam is launched, “British” Muslims launch attacks in the UK protesting the policies of a democratically elected govt - and various Muslim bodies put an advert in the newspapers about “foreign policy”. Look at the proportion of British Muslims who support al-Qaeda and Islamists - frighteningly high.
So the situation is not comparable at all.
Just another big TU QUOQUE!!!
So the situation is not comparable at all.
Just another big TU QUOQUE!!!
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Eric_Hyom
Guest
Greetings and peace be with you all,
If American and British people are living in fear of Muslims, maybe they should try and examine the policies of their leaders. Maybe try and think what it would be like to be born in Afghanistan or Iraq, and just be a part of their society going around earning a living in a farm, office, factory or shop.
How are you going to feel if you loose a father, mother, son, daughter or friend as a direct result of your country being invaded? If these people were innocent and had nothing to do with 9/11 how are they going to seek justice or do they just accept that it is fine to loose a loved one?
The answer seems very clear some of them will be compelled to do something to gain some kind of justice and avenge their grief. Americans must have felt some kind of justice has been served through the bombing and invasion of two countries.
The families who lost a loved one as a result of 9/11 are getting hundreds of thousands in compensation. What are the victim’s families in Iraq and Afghanistan going to get?
It seems there are virtually no other options for the Iraqi and Afghan people to gain justice other than through terrorism, their countries are impotent. It was not their fault being born were they are born and they have a right to justice. Sadly I feel that Bush and Blair have created thousands of people seeking justice through their policies.
In the end we are all children of the same God, we are all a part of his wonderful creation and we have a duty of justice for all God’s children.
Hello jayda, nice to bump into you again, it seem such a small world on the internet.
In the spirit of praying for peace on Earth
Eric
If American and British people are living in fear of Muslims, maybe they should try and examine the policies of their leaders. Maybe try and think what it would be like to be born in Afghanistan or Iraq, and just be a part of their society going around earning a living in a farm, office, factory or shop.
How are you going to feel if you loose a father, mother, son, daughter or friend as a direct result of your country being invaded? If these people were innocent and had nothing to do with 9/11 how are they going to seek justice or do they just accept that it is fine to loose a loved one?
The answer seems very clear some of them will be compelled to do something to gain some kind of justice and avenge their grief. Americans must have felt some kind of justice has been served through the bombing and invasion of two countries.
The families who lost a loved one as a result of 9/11 are getting hundreds of thousands in compensation. What are the victim’s families in Iraq and Afghanistan going to get?
It seems there are virtually no other options for the Iraqi and Afghan people to gain justice other than through terrorism, their countries are impotent. It was not their fault being born were they are born and they have a right to justice. Sadly I feel that Bush and Blair have created thousands of people seeking justice through their policies.
In the end we are all children of the same God, we are all a part of his wonderful creation and we have a duty of justice for all God’s children.
Hello jayda, nice to bump into you again, it seem such a small world on the internet.
In the spirit of praying for peace on Earth
Eric
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Montalban
Guest
Tá fáilte romhat
You’re welcome
And, it’s known that the IRA killed Catholics too! They were a nationalist and socialist outfit…
Ni tuigim
I don’t understand
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Montalban
Guest
Interestingly enough whilst Australia has a population that is supposed to be very Irish (one in three can claim an Irish ancestor) we were never pro-IRA - having banned Gerry Adams from coming here (until only recently - when peace broke out). Thus the Irish-Catholic elements here were by and large opposed to the IRA.
That’s Islam for you, abrogation of personal responsibility.
Rapists blame the woman for dressing provocatively. Terrorists blame ‘imperialism’, etc.
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Montalban
Guest
Salaam
Maybe you should understand that this is a nonsense argument:
a) France stopped home-grown terrorists and they were very much against the war in Iraq.
b) Afghanistan is not the same as Iraq. As a leftie*, I’m totally against involvement in Iraq. Afghanistan had UN-approval. The UN has Moslem states as members.
c) Islamic terrorism pre-dates even the very existence of the United States! For example Baltimore (Ireland) was sacked in 1631 by Moslem Algerian pirates. People were carted off into slavery.
The answer: Afghanistan! You seem to have events mixed up
Sorry for a truism, but not everyone shares the same ideals as you. It would be naive to think that they do.
*- I lean to the left in politics.
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burnside
Guest
In India and Pakistan,Christians get abused just for being Christians.However,in the United Kingdom they demonstrate in the streets,even using serious violence when someone dares to
publish a book or put on a Stage Show which shows them in an unfavourable light.Do you think i could exercise my right to freedom of speech in those countries?
My catholic beliefs would prevent my career progress in Asia,no matter how brainy i was.I compare that with my recent experience with my Internet Service Provider.I have been OFF LINE for a while as my computer broke down.My sister knows more about computers than i do,so i got her to set up the new computer.I must admit,however,it was as much about me dodging
having to speak to Technical Support people on the 'phone who have strong Asian accents.OK,my hearing is not 100%,but i can
understand the vast majority of native English,even though i am speaking with a Scottish accent.They can understand me as well because i just avoid the local slang.Unfotunately,i don’t do so well with the Asian accent.I used to avoid saying anything critical of them,in case i was accused of racism.They are an overly sensitive lot.Not any more.
I just wish there was as much attention paid to racism shown against Eastern European immigrants.Employers here like Poles
as they find them very good workers.They are also boosting the
catholic population in Scotland to the point where we could soon
be the largest religious denomination.Thankfully,they are bringing
some of their priests with them.
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Keikiolu
Guest
Mahalo = Thank(s)
Ke Akua = God (ke = the)
Pili = “be close, adhere”
Mau = “always”
Na Pomaika’i = blessings (na = plural “the”)
ia = at/on/in/by
'oe = you singular (“thou”)
Aloha = love ( see this )
Nui = big/lots/bunches
(( So it’s much like the irish, “Blessings on you!”, almost literally! ))
Oh,… the “E” at the beginning is just a particle which means, basically, “Eh, listen up!”.
(( wehewehe.org/ ))
Mahalo ke Akua…!
E pili mau na pomaika
i ia oe. Aloha nui. - Status