Islam plans to topple the Papacy

[Dempsey1919]

Islam topple Rome? Over my dead body! And that’s no joke! I’d be more than willing to fight and die before I let that happen.

 

[teancum79]

Not that this is really on topic, but history does show us that many people of many different cultural and religious back grounds have hurt a whole lot of people. I think we do ourselves an injustice when we only look at the harm caused by a particular group and ignore that others have done the same or simular.

 

[LDNCatholic]

Im not denying it was not done in Christs name…

What I am saying is that you guys can easily read history book’s you can easily look at hat has happened and how Christian people have been involved in horrendous acts of genocide and violence…

This is a human crime, what i find annoying is that people who’s history is filled with violence and intolerance and butchery, so readily point fingers at Muslims…

Its like you forget your own history and will try to use every little thing to attack Muslims, some UNKNOWN individual makes a comment about invading Rome and BOOM christians go off on a tangent and out comes the hate speech and propaganda…

(if it makes you feel any better the muslim conservatives are exactly the same and will use any excuse to demonise you), but if you insist on being the same then don’t act as if your better or purer.

Not all of us point fingers at Muslims. Please, stop generalising us. Not all white people have a history bathed in blood, neither do all Christians. Just FYI-you keep saying ‘‘you people’’ and ‘‘white Christians’’. The Catholic Church may have its headquarters in Europe but the majority are not white.

 

[5pintLutheran]

Mostly your blowing hot air…

Christians killed 6 MILLION JEWS it was a holocaust.

In Vietnam you killed 300,000 Vietnamese, DROPPED AGENT ORANGE on thousands of innocents, raped and sexually abused vulnerable Vietnamese girls and women.

was Korea any better.

There have been massive GENOCIDES AND HOLOCAUSTS against native populations by christians in North America, South America, Africa, Asia, Australasia and even Europe itself.

You lied about WWMD’s and went to iraq and the turmoil which has resulted because of your lies and lust for war has killed hundreds of thousands more people…

Dont get me started on this HISTORY PROVES ME RIGHT, and if you open a history book you will see your people soaked in the blood of millions of innocents

The book Hitler’s Secret Conversations 1941-1944 published by Farrar, Straus and Young, Inc.first edition, 1953, contains definitive proof of Hitler’s real views on Christianity:

All of these are quotes from Adolf Hitler:

Night of 11th-12th July, 1941:

National Socialism and religion cannot exist together… The heaviest blow that ever struck humanity was the coming of Christianity. Bolshevism is Christianity’s illegitimate child. Both are inventions of the Jew. The deliberate lie in the matter of religion was introduced into the world by Christianity… Let it not be said that Christianity brought man the life of the soul, for that evolution was in the natural order of things. (p 6 & 7)

10th October, 1941, midday:

Christianity is a rebellion against natural law, a protest against nature. Taken to its logical extreme, Christianity would mean the systematic cultivation of the human failure. (p 43)

14th October, 1941, midday:

The best thing is to let Christianity die a natural death… When understanding of the universe has become widespread… Christian doctrine will be convicted of absurdity… Christianity has reached the peak of absurdity… And that’s why someday its structure will collapse… …the only way to get rid of Christianity is to allow it to die little by little… Christianity the liar… We’ll see to it that the Churches cannot spread abroad teachings in conflict with the interests of the State. (p 49-52)

19th October, 1941, night:

The reason why the ancient world was so pure, light and serene was that it knew nothing of the two great scourges: the pox and Christianity.

21st October, 1941, midday:

Originally, Christianity was merely an incarnation of Bolshevism, the destroyer… The decisive falsification of Jesus’ doctrine was the work of St.Paul. He gave himself to this work… for the purposes of personal exploitation… Didn’t the world see, carried on right into the Middle Ages, the same old system of martyrs, tortures, faggots? Of old, it was in the name of Christianity. Today, it’s in the name of Bolshevism. Yesterday the instigator was Saul: the instigator today, Mardochai. Saul was changed into St.Paul, and Mardochai into Karl Marx. By exterminating this pest, we shall do humanity a service of which our soldiers can have no idea. (p 63-65)

13th December, 1941, midnight:

Christianity is an invention of sick brains: one could imagine nothing more senseless, nor any more indecent way of turning the idea of the Godhead into a mockery… … When all is said, we have no reason to wish that the Italians and Spaniards should free themselves from the drug of Christianity. Let’s be the only people who are immunised against the disease. (p 118 & 119)

14th December, 1941, midday:

Kerrl, with noblest of intentions, wanted to attempt a synthesis between National Socialism and Christianity. I don’t believe the thing’s possible, and I see the obstacle in Christianity itself… Pure Christianity-- the Christianity of the catacombs-- is concerned with translating Christian doctrine into facts. It leads quite simply to the annihilation of mankind. It is merely whole-hearted Bolshevism, under a tinsel of metaphysics. (p 119 & 120)

9th April, 1942, dinner:

There is something very unhealthy about Christianity (p 339)

27th February, 1942, midday:

It would always be disagreeable for me to go down to posterity as a man who made concessions in this field. I realize that man, in his imperfection, can commit innumerable errors-- but to devote myself deliberately to errors, that is something I cannot do. I shall never come personally to terms with the Christian lie. Our epoch Uin the next 200 yearse will certainly see the end of the disease of Christianity… My regret will have been that I couldn’t… behold ." (p 278)

So… In reading these passages that came from HITLER’S OWN MOUTH!!! I hope you will change the delusional opinion that we Christians killed millions of Jews during WW2. Hitler was a deranged little con man who had severe psychological problems with a drug addiction.
I’m interested on how you can explain how we Christians are responsible for the deaths of millions of Jews, when I have just shown that Hitler hated Christian and Jew alike.

 

[Kaninchen]

So… In reading these passages that came from HITLER’S OWN MOUTH!!! I hope you will change the delusional opinion that we Christians killed millions of Jews during WW2. Hitler was a deranged little con man who had severe psychological problems with a drug addiction.
I’m interested on how you can explain how we Christians are responsible for the deaths of millions of Jews, when I have just shown that Hitler hated Christian and Jew alike.

So, Hitler did it all by magic, did he, nobody else was involved?

Hitler and the NSDAP were a product of an environment of anti-Semitism - the Shoah was an industrialized version of the tradition of ‘pogrom’. The question that Christians ought to ask themselves is: “what part did Christianity itself play, over the centuries, in creating that environment?”

 

[5pintLutheran]

So, Hitler did it all by magic, did he, nobody else was involved?

Hitler and the NSDAP were a product of an environment of anti-Semitism - the Shoah was an industrialized version of the tradition of ‘pogrom’. The question that Christians ought to ask themselves is: “what part did Christianity itself play, over the centuries, in creating that environment?”

No, he didn’t do it all by magic. Hitler’s followers did, and as you can see throughout history… Hitler had a big sway over the crowd. He was an impressive manipulator over those under him, as Charles Manson was over the Manson family.

What I presented in my previous reply was an insight into Hitler’s veiw of Jews AND Christians. Jews weren’t the only ones that were persecuted under Hitler’s reign. Hitler tried and succeeded vastly in trying to throw priests (Christian) into prison and replace them with his own people.
In seeing this aspect, you can’t blame us Western Christians of the horrors that eveloped Western Europe during WW2. I wasn’t there, and wasn’t responsible for what happened to the Jews and Christians during that time, and that’s a fact, thank you. Christianity, just like Islam can be used as a tool by a dictator to perform great injustices to society. Any blind person can see that Islam is the tool being used today by radicals to attack those who’s views don’t mesh with their own. Hitler even said that he hated the Bible because of it’s “Jewishness”… How can a person be called a Christian and dislike God’s Word??:coffeeread:

In a speech delivered April 12, 1922, published in “My New Order,” Hitler said:

“My feeling as a Christian points me to my Lord and Savior as a fighter. It points me to the man who once in loneliness, surrounded only by a few followers, recognized these Jews for what they were and summoned men to fight against them and who, God’s truth! was greatest not as a sufferer but as a fighter.”

Any biblical scholar, Catholic, Protestant or whatever can see that Hitler had a ridiculous and false view of Jesus Christ. The Jesus he speaks about in that speech is not the Christ of the Bible. Dominus Tecum. Amen.

 

[Kaninchen]

In seeing this aspect, you can’t blame us Western Christians of the horrors that eveloped Western Europe during WW2. I wasn’t there, and wasn’t responsible for what happened to the Jews and Christians during that time, and that’s a fact, thank you.

This has absolutely nothing to do with the question I asked.

 

[Gabriel_of_12]

muslims intend to conquer the vatican through immigration and child births. thats what i call ‘passive aggression’.

I hate to bust your bubble AgnosTheist, the body of Jesus Christ as history records has gone through worst persecutions other than being outpopulated by its enemies, and enemies of the Church intergrated her magesterium, but the gates of HELL WILL NOT PREVAIL against her, ever. It is written, so let it be done according to God’s will. Do your best, for we know fear comes from the devil, and you will find no fear here. Know this; nothing will come to pass unless the body of Jesus Christ and the Lords will be done. What muslims forget is Roman Cathoilcs do not fear death because death has been conquered by out Lord Jesus Christ. So if a death threat is being made, it does not work against the Body of Jesus Christ. I dont speak for the Roman Catholic church, I only reference her Holy Saints and Martyrs who give testimony against the enemies of God.

Peace be with you, Love is what conqueres.

 

[cathgal]

Now why do you all pay heed to this unknown lunatic ? :yawn:

There’s a dude down the street who said he’ll conquer the world one day ya know… pay heed to this !

 

[Gottle_of_Geer]

Some here in the U.S.A. could say the same about the Catholics.

They were saying it in the early '60s - Quebec, being Catholic (& French & Canadian for good measure: IOW, very definitely “unaAmerican”) was thought of as a source of countless Catholics who would swamp “God’s Own Country” by sheer force of numbers, outlaw the True Gospel & its followers, & establish the tyranny of the Babylonian Anti-Christ in the USA by abolishing the Constitution & other good Protestant things such as democracy.​

The funny thing is, that people today who want do that are the Christian Reconstructonists, who hope to abolish evil things like democracy & religious liberty, & govern the USA by the Law of Moses instead. They sound like the farmer who made Virgil’s Georgics his guide to farming, & went bust; to treat the Law of Moses as a text for governing a modern industrialised nation, & one with a love of capitalism at that, would infallibly cause the US & its economy to go bust very quickly.

 

[Angelos]

So, Hitler did it all by magic, did he, nobody else was involved?

Hitler and the NSDAP were a product of an environment of anti-Semitism - the Shoah was an industrialized version of the tradition of ‘pogrom’. The question that Christians ought to ask themselves is: “what part did Christianity itself play, over the centuries, in creating that environment?”

Is this why a famous leader of an Islamic country and a devout Muslim keeps saying that Israel should be wiped off the world map?

The only reason Muslim leaders hate Hitler is that his regime and the ethnic cleansing of Jews in Europe resulted in the construction of the free state of Israel, which still denotes humiliation and defeat for most Muslims.

 

[Lapell]

So, Hitler did it all by magic, did he, nobody else was involved?

Hitler and the NSDAP were a product of an environment of anti-Semitism - the Shoah was an industrialized version of the tradition of ‘pogrom’. The question that Christians ought to ask themselves is: “what part did Christianity itself play, over the centuries, in creating that environment?”

When you say “Christianity”, what do you mean exactly? As for the part “Christianity” did itself play over the centuries “in creating that environment”, you seem to “know” several things that most of us don’t. Can you tell us, please, what exactly you are alluding to?

 

[Lapell]

If you mean to say that the Gospel according to Matthew, Mark, Luke and John should not have been written the way it was, I might ask you if you have ever been chosen to write a book that would be part of the Canon of the Bible.

 

[5pintLutheran]

This has absolutely nothing to do with the question I asked.

Perhaps I misunderstood. Late night response. Anyway, could you rephrase it? I think I was responding to Rayaan, b/c he considers Adolf Hitler a Christian, and everyone who was under him a follower of Christ, which is not the case at all.

In somewhat trying to answer your question, it would take several years to give an adequate response by looking at all aspects of how you think Christianity helped create anti-semitism and why many don’t, so I’ll just be short and sweet in my (no end in sight) responses.

In figuring out the reason why religions spark racism, wars, violence, anti-semitism etc… you have to look into the sacred texts and what they really teach.

In the New Testament, there is virtually no teaching by Jesus or his Apostles that promote violence or hatred toward mankind. In fact, you see the opposite throughout. I have even heard a Muslim apologist say that “Jesus Christ is a terrorist!!” but that is hardly the case at all. Christ’s message is one of compassion for the fellow man and foe alike.

You don’t see people today strapping bombs to themselves “in the name of Jesus!” That would be ludicrous.
:coffeeread: Let me swing the question around to you, as I am curious as well. What part has Islam played in creating an “anti-western” civilization mindset? Is it being used by those in power to be used as a tool to promote aggression toward the West?

Pax Christi. Amen.

 

[Kaninchen]

In figuring out the reason why religions spark racism, wars, violence, anti-semitism etc… you have to look into the sacred texts and what they really teach.

Actually, it’s not that hard to find out about the history of it all and it’s not how things like ‘sacred texts’ are interpreted now, in the light of that history, but of how they were interpreted then.

You don’t see people today strapping bombs to themselves “in the name of Jesus!” That would be ludicrous.

No but anybody aware of the history of the UK over the past 40 years would be aware of the fact that thousands have been killed by extremist Christians.

 

[LDNCatholic]

No but anybody aware of the history of the UK over the past 40 years would be aware of the fact that thousands have been killed by extremist Christians.

Kaninchen we usually agree on most things on this forum but if you’re referring to the Troubles, most of the people fighting were not doing it on religious grounds, but ethnic and political ones, with religion as a convenient border drawn between the factions.

 

[5pintLutheran]

Actually, it’s not that hard to find out about the history of it all and it’s not how things like ‘sacred texts’ are interpreted now, in the light of that history, but of how they were interpreted then.

No but anybody aware of the history of the UK over the past 40 years would be aware of the fact that thousands have been killed by extremist Christians.

Yes, but interpretations are many, and everyone doesn’t interpret the scriptures the same way. Many don’t interpret scriptures at all, but believe what their leaders tell them. This is where you get terrorists and Muslim extremists who believe the doctrine of martyrdom, and taking innocent life in the present age.

The only killings I know about are the Potestant vs Catholic struggle for supremacy that have plagued the British Isles, that haven’t just been going on for 40, but hundreds of years, since the formation of the Church of England and the Reformation. To this day, these so called “Christians” are that by name only. Most if not all of them are not practicing Christians, who have forgotten why and how the fighting started in the first place. War is not a new thing to the Christian religion, nor Islam, nor Judaism, and probably has no end in sight until the last day.

:coffeeread:

 

[5pintLutheran]

Kaninchen we usually agree on most things on this forum but if you’re referring to the Troubles, most of the people fighting were not doing it on religious grounds, but ethnic and political ones, with religion as a convenient border drawn between the factions.

I agree, and would be happy with that as an end note.

 

[LDNCatholic]

The only killings I know about are the Potestant vs Catholic struggle for supremacy that have plagued the British Isles, that haven’t just been going on for 40, but hundreds of years, since the formation of the Church of England and the Reformation. To this day, these so called “Christians” are that by name only. Most if not all of them are not practicing Christians, who have forgotten why and how the fighting started in the first place.

It has been going on far longer than that, and it isn’t a ‘‘battle for supremacy’’. Also please don’t be so quick to judge whether or not they were Christians, as not all combatants were the monsters they have been shown as in the media. There is a new thread in ‘‘Back Fence’’ if you’d like to jump in.

 

[5pintLutheran]

It has been going on far longer than that, and it isn’t a ‘‘battle for supremacy’’. Also please don’t be so quick to judge whether or not they were Christians, as not all combatants were the monsters they have been shown as in the media. There is a new thread in ‘‘Back Fence’’ if you’d like to jump in.

Yes you are right. I’ll take a look. Pax.