Islam/Satan connection.

[Sam_777]

Hi everyone,

While researching about ancient religions, I came across a Satanic religion called “Yazidis’ religion”, where they worship Satan himself and they call him “Peacock Angel”, the Yazidis worship Satan because when he was present in Eden, he didn’t bow down to Adam because he was obeying God, the Yezidis claim that prior to the creation of Adam, God had informed all seven great Angels never bow down to any other entity other than him, so when God ordered the Angels to bow down to Adam, Satan replied “How can I submit to another being! I am from your illumination while Adam is made of dust” , then God praised him and made him the leader of all angels and his deputy on the Earth. :ehh:

What an intelligent point Satan made, right! , from the first glance, it sounds reasonable, but no, here is my view:
1) Why would God The Most High test the seven great Angels!, to promote them to a higher degree!, but they are already in the highest degree, and nothing between them & God The Most High, so I don’t see a need for such a test, and Satan claim here seems completely unrealistic.

2) What if God The Most High had ordered the other Angels to bow down to Satan, wouldn’t he be happy and accept that, and if anyone of the other Angels had refused to bow down then he would tell God how those Angels refused His mighty order!

3) Now link that Satan story in the Yazidis religion to Satan story in Islam, where in Islam Satan fell because he didn’t bow down to Adam, but Islam mentioned the reason as “because of his pride” not “God’s test” as in Yazidis claim.

That leads me to the verses in Quran where it emphasis that Allah didn’t take any Son, while in the Bible its clearly mentioned that Jesus is the Son of God The Most High. Now link that to Satan point in the Yazidis religion, Satan would say the same thing here:
"No God you can’t have a Son and you are testing us again."

A possible scenario would be if Satan thought that he passed that test also, because he consider himself to be “God The Most High deputy on the Earth” as mentioned above, so he went a further step and established Islam, and later on the Judgement day, he would argue God The Most High with these two points which are in the Islamic religion:
1) God The Most High you taught us in the beginning not to bow down to anyone other than you, so I instructed the Muslims to do so.
2) God The Most High you taught us in the beginning that you don’t have wife or son, so I instructed the Muslims about that.

Moreover, there are many common things between Islam & that Yazidis religion, for example:
1) Yazidis have five daily prayers, the dawn prayer, the sunrise prayer, the noon prayer, the afternoon prayer, and the sunset prayer.
2) Yazidis make at least one pilgrimage during their lifetime to their tomb in Iraq, and they also have places called “Mountain Arafat” & “Zamzam spring” similar to the names in Islamic Hajj sites .
3) Same symbol of the worship places, look at the top of their tomb here:
http://yeziditruth.org/yahoo_site_admin/assets/images/SinjarYezidiTemple.22891631_std.jpg

What are your opinions about that in the context of what Jesus said in (John 12:31, 16:11, 14:30) that Satan is the prince of this world?

References:
yeziditruth.org/yezidi_religious_tradition
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yazidi

 

[Muslim_Woman]

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Salaam/ Peace

…: Islam/Satan connection…

what’s your conclusion ? Islam is the religion of Satan & Satan taught Muhammed (p) whenever you recite Quran or do anything , say : I seek refuge in Allah from the cursed Devil / Satan ? ”

Why some participants need to open threads to bash us ? What a wastage of space ; May I remind you that this forum already has a thread for bashing Islam & Muslims . Pl. go & bash us there . Thanks

 

[swariffin]

Dear Muslim Woman,

You are welcomed and free to submit your disagreement and your logic and your arguments too. I am willing to hear you. I believe you have strong arguments to present.

 

[jastor]

Wow. that’s very interesting!

Muslim women: did you even look at his links? This post is not bashing. Islam dont need our help to do that; as they bash it enough themselves.

 

[Sister_Amy]

The irony is terrifying.

Isn’t rationalizing a tool of Shaytaan? Trying to get you to rationalize everything to lead you away from faith.

A’udhubillahi min ash-shaytaan ar-rajeem.

 

[Sam_777]

God The Most High gave me a brain to utilize it, therefore I’m investigating religions history, which one sounds logic and which one does not, if Islam is truly from God The Most High then I would stay in it, but after I have read the Bible, the mist got removed from my eyes, I now see no logic in the teaching of Islam, no justifiable behaviour of Muhammed :nope:, and no true love from Allah, as compared to Christianity, where I see many logical teaching, many heavenly behaviour, and so much love from God .

However, I was also shocked when I’ve read that about the Yazidi religion, so if someone has any justifiable points against the connection between the Yezidi religion and Islam, then please present them, let us discuss them, because at the end we all want to know the truth :shamrock2:.

 

[cathopologist]

Yazidis targeted in Iraq attack

Seven members of a family belonging to the minority Yazidi community have been murdered in northern Iraq, police say.

newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/45297000/jpg/_45297992_yazidis.jpg

Northern Iraq is home to the largest Yazidi community

Officers said a mother and father and their four adult children were shot dead when gunmen burst into their home in the town of Sinjar, west of Mosul.

The Yazidis are an ancient, religious sect and there have been a number of attacks on them in Iraq in the past.

In August 2007, some 400 people were killed in the Sinjar area in multiple bomb blasts targeting Yazidis.

Thought to number about 500,000, the Yazidis are to be found in Iran, Russia and Turkey, but the largest number are in northern Iraq. Their religion is a blend of Zoroastrianism, Islam and other faiths.

Some Muslims have accused them of being devil-worshippers, since they revere an angel in the form of a blue peacock. It is a charge the Yazidis reject.

A number of attacks against Yazidis in recent years have been blamed on al-Qaeda in Iraq which views them as infidels.

 

[R_not]

Wow, everything I read is that mohammed was a Hanif and that is where I assumed that mohammed got his rites from that are now in islam. It has said that in many books that I have read and they are written by different authors of different backgrounds, religion and time periods.

That he took a benign religion, a religion of fertility with many gods and goddesses, and made it into what he was - a ‘not very nice guy’ (to say the least! )

Initially mohammed wanted the muslims to pray (I forget the exact number) over 30 times a day. His followers complained and to save face mohammed said he went back to allah, several times, and pared down that number to 5 times a day. and as for the kabaa - that is where the statue of allah used to reside before he tore it down and said there were no statues. And he almost included some of the other of allah’s daughters in islam, but his followers advised him to not do that so he took them out. al-Lat, al-Uzza and Manat

These places were in Mecca and that is why they pray towards mecca. mohammed originally had them pray towards Jerusalem but after he got disgruntled with the Jews he changed it to Mecca where he was more familiar.

mohammed used to be on caravans carrying goods here and there so he might have heard about these Yazidis. But they would have been on the ‘cutting block’ right along with other pagan religions. Who knows how many pagan religions he wiped out - we know he wiped out Zorastrianism.

Now some think that the angel mohammed saw was Satan. I, personally, don’t even think he saw Satan. After all my readings I have to agree with some assessments, backed up by the koran and hadiths, that mohammed had a brain problem. And by that I mean he had Frontal Lobe Epilepsy, narcissism, and quite possibly pathological obsessive compulsive disease and maybe even a schizoid.

We know that his mother left him to a nurse, his father died when he was very young, his nurse handed him back to his mother because mohammed ‘would fall down and had fits’, and then she died when he was about 5 or 6 years old. And that could - probably did - contribute to his hatred of women.

These are known for an over sexed maniac, and other signs of cult leaders.

Some of these articles are in faithfreedom.org if you don’t want to buy any of the books that I will list below:

temporal lobe epilepsy

-Understanding muhammad, A Psychobiography
-The Life and Religion of mohammad
-Politically Incorrect guide to Islam and The Sword of the Prophet, Islam (these books are similar
-The Truth About mohammed

I will throw this book in because it is good to know to counter the junk that we hear so often!
-Religion of Peace? Why Christianity Is and islam Isn’t

 

[R_not]

cathopologist:
Thanks - these websites are very interesting.

this whole topic is interesting. I have never heard of the Yazidis before.

I should add that the reason why I don’t think that mohammed didn’t see any angel at all is that there were no miracles associated with him. He didn’t have any witnesses and it is very common for someone with epilepsy to see things and to have certain feelings, as he did, after they stop their fits.

 

[Muslim_Woman]

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Salaam/peace

… Satan would say the same thing here:

How many Prophets (pbut) Christians have ? Can u tell me which Prophet taught to worship Jesus (p) & holy Spirit (p) ?

U want to say Satan mislead all the Prophets ? Only Paul was blessed not to misguided by Satan ?

It’s Satan who is teaching people to worship one God only , not to take other deity except/besides God ? I am sure , even Satan is laughing by this logic. Satan’s duty is to teach people : seek refuse in God from the cursed Satan lol.

 

[Muslim_Woman]

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Salaam/peace

… I now see no logic in the teaching of Islam,

now pl don’t remain as a hypocrite anymore. If u die in that condition , If Islam is the truth , u will be in fire forever ; If Christianity is the truth - by not submitting to Christ (p) fully , there is a risk that u will get some punishment .

Why are you taking that risk about your salvation ? Time has not come yet to declare that you are a full Christian now ?

 

[R_not]

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Salaam/peace

How many Prophets (pbut) Christians have ? Can u tell me which Prophet taught to worship Jesus (p) & holy Spirit (p) ?

U want to say Satan mislead all the Prophets ? Only Paul was blessed not to misguided by Satan ?

It’s Satan who is teaching people to worship one God only , not to take other deity except/besides God ? I am sure , even Satan is laughing by this logic. Satan’s duty is to teach people : seek refuse in God from the cursed Satan lol.

One of the ways to spot a prophet - they do not change the previous message. This is why mohammed was not a prophet. he not only changed the message of Jesus - but all the prophets before him! The one being, even if one does not believe in Christ’s divinity, are the 10 commandments that mohammed changed so as to be able to carry on the atrocities that he did to people.

“For God is not the author of confusion, but of Peace…” 1 Cor:14:33

And the koran is nothing but a confusing piece of work, along with the counter message of the Prophets of the Bible.

"…Blessed are they which do hunger and thirst after righteousness: for they shall be filled; Blessed are the merciful; for they shall obtain mercy; Blessed are the pure in heart; for they shall see God; Blessed are the peacemakers; for they shall be called the Children of God. (Mt:5:6-9)

And this thread really is not about that.

 

[planten]

God The Most High gave me a brain to utilize it, therefore I’m investigating religions history, which one sounds logic and which one does not, if Islam is truly from God The Most High then I would stay in it, but after I have read the Bible, the mist got removed from my eyes, I now see no logic in the teaching of Islam, no justifiable behaviour of Muhammed :nope:, and no true love from Allah, as compared to Christianity, where I see many logical teaching, many heavenly behaviour, and so much love from God .

Sam there may be a yazidi religion. This is the first time we have heard about it. So it is not easy to belive it. But let it be. There is Islam very much in the field for the last 1400 years. How much is the age of those yazidis? Did you check up?

You are the one who is connecting Islam with yazidis. So you are to be blamed. You should have knowledge enough that Muslims seek refuge with Allah from the cursed Devil. You came to know that yazidis worship the devil. You had the knowledge that Muslims curse the devil. Then you should have been wise enough not to start such a bad subject. But you had the irony to jump into this Sh*t hoping to dig out something. We are not here to reply to meaningless false ideas of the Catholics.

However, I was also shocked when I’ve read that about the Yazidi religion, so if someone has any justifiable points against the connection between the Yezidi religion and Islam, then please present them, let us discuss them, because at the end we all want to know the truth :shamrock2:.

That is all false notion of love that you have got. There is no love in church teaching. But the word love is there. The rest is all assumption that Jesus is the son of God so the God must be loving him. First you have to prove that Jesus is the son of God. That you can never do.

God is the father of all. Not only Jesus. Jesus is just a man of God. Our God (Allah) is the most merciful and loving. His one attribute (name) is “Wadood” which means the Loving.

There is nothing sensible in the bible. It is all just beliefs without any rational, logical support. So that is no good. Any one can get any false idea in the head and start believing it. Will you support such person?. Islam is the real religion from day one, the religion of Noah and Abraham and Jacob and Joseph and Moses and Jesus. It is not racial religion. Please consider your belief and readjust your faith to the true religion. You people have departed from the true religion that was Judaism, i.e. one great mistake. then you did not accept the last prophet Muhammad. That is your second mistake. Please read Quran and consider all your illogical theology.

I have to ask you one small question here. You believe that Jesus is the God and he created everything. Including his mother, Mary? Did Jesus create his own mother too? Please tell and there will be many more questions to enlighten us ignorants about the beliefs of the christians. Please give answer.

 

[planten]

cathopologist:
Thanks Cath for giving us more information about the Yazidis. But there may be much more to know. The Yazidis may be the anti-Shia people and at the same time, not welcome by the mainline Sunni Muslims.

So they are on their own, nothing to do with Islam, specially if they do not have Quran as their religious book. But we do not know about that yet. Thanks for posting.

 

[planten]

Thanks - these websites are very interesting.

this whole topic is interesting. I have never heard of the Yazidis before.

I should add that the reason why I don’t think that mohammed didn’t see any angel at all is that there were no miracles associated with him. He didn’t have any witnesses and it is very common for someone with epilepsy to see things and to have certain feelings, as he did, after they stop their fits.

What witness do you have for Jesus to be the son of God or to be the god???

 

[planten]

One of the ways to spot a prophet - they do not change the previous message. This is why mohammed was not a prophet. he not only changed the message of Jesus - but all the prophets before him! The one being, even if one does not believe in Christ’s divinity, are the 10 commandments that mohammed changed so as to be able to carry on the atrocities that he did to people.

One of the methods to spot (fish out) a prophet… But the question by M W is how many prophets taught to worship jesus? How many taught that a son of God will soon be coming and all people have to worship him? Jesus was not worshipped even for a day when he was alive. he did not preach to any one to worship him. he rather told every one to worship the One Great God whom he referred (preferred to refer) as his father.
I repeat the question of M W here. How many earlier prophets preached to worship Jesus? I do not see any mention in the OT. So this worship of Jesus is hoax unless answer provided by R_not.

“For God is not the author of confusion, but of Peace…” 1 Cor:14:33

Just a small (Tiny) talk, a drop in the Ocean. But we have much better than that in the Quran.

And the koran is nothing but a confusing piece of work, along with the counter message of the Prophets of the Bible.

"…Blessed are they which do hunger and thirst after righteousness: for they shall be filled; Blessed are the merciful; for they shall obtain mercy; Blessed are the pure in heart; for they shall see God; Blessed are the peacemakers; for they shall be called the Children of God. (Mt:5:6-9)

And this thread really is not about that.

We did not deny the bible. We believe that there are a few words of wisdom in the bibleNT.

 

[R_not]

What witness do you have for Jesus to be the son of God or to be the god???

Why don’t you go first and answer the dozen of times that I have asked you to prove that the Bible was corrupted.

You first.

By the way, I do have an answer for you but I will give it to you AFTER you answer my question.

• prove that the Bible was corrupted NOT using the koran or the hadiths, or the suni, or whatever other things that an illiterate pagan asserted - because he did not even know the Bible.

When you can give me that - I will answer your question.

And you are very much a witness for mohammed - you are a very, nasty person. Deception, bashing, name calling, da’wa, you defend the violent jihadists and probably even give them monitary support too (muslim charities) - mohammed and your moon god will all be proud of you. BUT!! you have been predestined to go to heaven or hell so no matter what you say or do - your course after death has already been chosen according to what mohammed said.

 

[planten]

R_not, I do not have to prove anything. You are seeking witnesses for Muhammad. I asked what witness you have for Jesus who saw something or heard something??

 

[swariffin]

You are the one who is connecting Islam with yazidis. So you are to be blamed. You should have knowledge enough that Muslims seek refuge with Allah from the cursed Devil. You came to know that yazidis worship the devil. You had the knowledge that Muslims curse the devil. Then you should have been wise enough not to start such a bad subject. But you had the irony to jump into this Sh*t hoping to dig out something. We are not here to reply to meaningless false ideas of the Catholics.

The Devil will not appear to human as a Devil, Planten. That is stupid for the devil to appear as itself to human. The devil is a clever intelligent being, you know. The Devil will appear as though it is an angel of God or even as God Himself. BTW, I am not yet relating my answer to the Yazidi. I don’t know anything about Yazidi, and I have no comment about it.

That is all false notion of love that you have got. There is no love in church teaching. But the word love is there.

History has recorded that John Paul II has defeated Communism in Poland and East German without any bullet ever fired.

The rest is all assumption that Jesus is the son of God so the God must be loving him. First you have to prove that Jesus is the son of God. That you can never do. God is the father of all.

Jesus is the word of God. The son of God is rather an incorrect terminology applied by human being to Jesus. The best terminology is “Hypostasis”. However, humanly speaking, the term “son” is the best out of the limited human language to describe the relationship of Jesus and God the Father. If you study Christology, it is very very logical. It is you who either close your mind or has been brainwashed so much that you don’t have any logic left to digest that.

Not only Jesus. Jesus is just a man of God. Our God (Allah) is the most merciful and loving. His one attribute (name) is “Wadood” which means the Loving.

Only Jesus in Quran bears the title Kalimathullah. No other person including Muhammad bear such title. Only Jesus was described as untouched by satan during birth, no other person has the same condition.

There is nothing sensible in the bible. It is all just beliefs without any rational, logical support. So that is no good. Any one can get any false idea in the head and start believing it. Will you support such person?

So, you have the answer of Why God ever command you to face a stone building called Kaaba during praying, and yet, God is not there? If you do, let us know. Let see if you have a logical and rational answer to that.

Islam is the real religion from day one, the religion of Noah and Abraham and Jacob and Joseph and Moses and Jesus. It is not racial religion. Please consider your belief and readjust your faith to the true religion. You people have departed from the true religion that was Judaism, i.e. one great mistake. then you did not accept the last prophet Muhammad. That is your second mistake. Please read Quran and consider all your illogical theology.

Islam is a religion within the Arabic only. Mohammad was clear the opposite of Moses to start discussion with. Islam has no relationship of Judaism. If you mentioned that the true religion is Judaism, why do you believe in Muhammad now. Mohammad is no Jew.

I have to ask you one small question here. You believe that Jesus is the God and he created everything. Including his mother, Mary? Did Jesus create his own mother too? Please tell and there will be many more questions to enlighten us ignorants about the beliefs of the christians. Please give answer.

God created everything by uttering the Word. Jesus is the Word of God. So, the Word of God and Jesus in interchangeable. In that case, it is also correct to say that Jesus or through Jesus, God created everything. Can you digest that? No, if you have Quranic mind still in your head.

As God has prophecied in Genesis 3:15, that the seed of the woman will crush the seed of the snake… God’s prophecied in Gen 3:15 was fulfilled in Jesus. The seed of a woman, is also human. No way a human female gives birth a dog, for instance. Also, as human may drink so much the milk of cows, there will never be a case that a cow give birth a human. That is logical, correct? So, Mary was there to fulfill the prophecy of God Himself. That is very very logical to follow through. Mary is the tool of God to fulfill what He has promised. Mary is never be the center of Christian believe, and Mary is never at the same level of God.

And again I tell you. Don’t ever think that there is God the Father, God marry to a female being, and there is God the Son. That it completely wrong, and no Christian believe that. Perhaps you can tell me, what is the gender of God, anyway?

You can ask as many questions about Christianity, as you want. Before we answer, ask yourself the question. Will you open your mind for logical thinking? Will you set a side your Arabic culture for a moment? Remember, I do not ask you to set aside your religion.

 

[R_not]

R_not, I do not have to prove anything. You are seeking witnesses for Muhammad. I asked what witness you have for Jesus who saw something or heard something??

Oh yes you do. You have continually used the koran’s version of Bible stories and those are beyond distorted.

It is about time that you stop deflecting the questions posed to you time and again. People have been more than courteous to you and I suppose you think that is what is to be expected to have the infidels wallow in your demands while giving nothing in return, it doesn’t work that way anymore.

Get over it. Many are on to the fact that muslims want people silenced about learning about islam, its koran and its history.

*** Intentionally preventing unbelievers from knowing the truth-> 6:25 6:110

• Intentionally preventing unbelievers from Understanding Qur’an-> 17:45-76**

And even going to the point of many muslims going to the UN and getting that bunch of thugs to pass a resolution to silence discussion of islam. It is non-binding, and we all know that muslim nations don’t do the UN’s bidding on any matters such as human abuses.

I divert, but the point being that you are not able to defend your koran and its wild assertions from an illiterate pagan, mohammed. You just think people are to sit back and accept it because that is how it has been done for 1400 years. Or else… well, I won’t go into ‘or else’ - people can read about the bloody history of jihad for themselves.