Islam under attack? Or under a debate?

[Mr.Ex_Nihilo]

Do you mean to say Jesus Christ did not know that Romans/Jews were about to kill him?

No. He knew full well he was going to die. But he wasn’t killing himself. Other people were going to kill him.

Peace:

If he did know (because you Catholics think he was God) then he deliberately terminate his own life.

No. Roman Soldiers deliberately terminated his life.

In order for this to be a suicide, Jesus would have had to have killed himself by miraculously nailing himself to the cross.

Peace:

Or you think he was actually acting of dying, when in fact he didn’t die at all?

So…at this point I think it’s fair to take it that you’re a Muslim.

This sentence above doesn’t actually make any sense as it is currently worded.

Peace:

If you think, he did not know that Romans/Jews will kill him that’s why he did not defend his case nor agitated about the false chrages then he was not God?

He knew this because he was God.

In fact, he could have stopped it if he wanted to.

“Put your sword back in its place,” Jesus said to him, “for all who draw the sword will die by the sword. Do you think I cannot call on my Father, and he will at once put at my disposal more than twelve legions of angels? 54But how then would the Scriptures be fulfilled that say it must happen in this way?”

Peace:

God knows all/everything about His creations/creatures, no?

Yes.

Through the risen Lord Jesus Christ, God the Father knows all things about his creation. Without Jesus, who was God the Son, the Father would have been totally blind toward what was going on in this creation. In other words, without the Son, the Father (who is wholly transcendant from his creation) would have been helpless to stop the sin that he (in his utterly holy splendor) would not have known anything about-- that’s why Jesus is the Savior in the first place.

Peace:

Or your God have no idea about what Romans/Jews were going to do with his body?

Yes. Jesus, as true God and true man. knew exactly what was going to happen…

“We are going up to Jerusalem,” he said, “and the Son of Man will be betrayed to the chief priests and teachers of the law. They will condemn him to death and will hand him over to the Gentiles, who will mock him and spit on him, flog him and kill him. Three days later he will rise.”

You can’t get much clearer than that.

 

[cestusdei]

peace, your defense of suicide bombers makes you an Islamic terrorist. Blowing yourself up in order to kill a bunch of teenagers eating pizza so that you can enjoy 72 virgins for eternity is NOT martyrdom. In fact Muslims create Christian martyrs by beheading helpless Christians. You don’t understand because God is love and Islam does not teach that.

 

[Mr.Ex_Nihilo]

Suicide bombers are willing to die at the/and with the hands of another people (such as the peaceful and civilised Christians/Jews of the West whose godly hands made bombs such as Cluster, Hydrogen, Daisy-cutter ecetra…) for what they believe.

Islamic suicide bombers are commiting suicide in the name of Allah no matter how you word it.

As I said before, Islam doesn’t specifically say ‘suicide bomber’. But it does provide many other examples of where weapons of war are considered favorable methods of conversion and/or resistance against their enemies. Furthermore, Islam does give extremely high praise to those who bear these weapons of war in battle and die for the cause of Islam when fighting against these people.

So while the Koran doesn’t specifically say ‘suicide bomber’ (no more than it says to use AK-47s, M16s, SR-47’s or AK 22 Sidefolders), it does provide plenty of **theological justification **within militant versions of Islam for one to strap a bomb to their back and charge their opponents-- knowing full well that they will die in the process while believing they will be rewarded in heaven by Allah because of their suicidal attacks.

Peace:

So from your definition of ‘martyrdom’ the Suicide bombers are Martyrs.

No.

Islamic suicide bombers are commiting suicide in Allah’s name in the hopes of a heavenly reward in the here-after.

Christian martyrs are being killed in Jesus’ name in the hopes that truth will be known. Consequently, there is a heavenly reward in the here-after for those who stand for the truth-- but the reward is not the primary cause of standing for the truth. Desiring people to know the truth is their reason for standing for the truth, even if it means them being killed by those opposed to the truth in the process.

Peace:

Again you have no idea what you are talking about.

Really now.

Care to explain why not?

Peace:

A suicide bomber doesn’t hate his own life (because in the time of peace you will not find a single suicide bomber to kill himself or other). A suicide bomber is ready to die for what he believed, at the hands of other people (such as the peaceful and civilised Christians/Jews of the West whose godly hands made beautiful peaceful bombs such as Cluster, Hydrogen, Daisy-cutter ecetra…

) in order to golorify the dignity, honour, pride of remaining a Slave of God instead of becoming a slave to evil/greedy human beings. So when he a suicide bomber dies, he creates oppurtunity for others to live with dignity, honour and pride as Slaves of God.

A suicide bomber is a sad, little, simpleton who just doesn’t get it.

He does not understand that extremists from the West specifically developed these tactical units for the express purpose of radical Islamic militants blowing themselves off the face of the earth-- which is what these Western extremists were hoping for in the first place.*

He does not understand that extremists in the West know full well that these poor, wretched individuals will take full advantage of these tactical units specifically because the radical Islamic concept of Jihad provides plenty of theological justification within the more militant versions of Islam for one to strap a bomb to their back and charge their opponents-- which is yet another thing that these Western extremists were hoping for in the first place.*

He does not understand that extremists in the West are actually conducting psychological experiments on these deluded radicals in their attempts to figure out how radical and violent fundamentalists within the Arabic nations can be destroyed from within without actually getting directly involved in their insanity-- which is ultimately the final thing that these Western extremists were hoping for in the first place.*

*Yes. This is all definitely sarcasm-- and I hope people understand the irony of me saying this.

As I said above, a suicide bomber is a sad, little, simpleton who just doesn’t get it.

That’s why we need to pray for them.

Peace:

When Chirst “died” what did he actually create/preach?

Christ himself is our peace-- who has made the two one and has destroyed the barrier, the dividing wall of hostility, by abolishing in his flesh the law with its commandments and regulations.

Jesus’ purpose was to create in himself one new man out of the two, thus making peace, and in this one body to reconcile both of them to God through the cross, by which he put to death their hostility.

You can find this in Ephesians 2:14-16 if you want to check it out for yourself.

 

[Mr.Ex_Nihilo]

Please look UP, I debunked your own definitions of suicide bomber and martyrdom/martyr.

Mr. Ex looks up

I’m looking at the ceiling right now…

but…

I’m not seeing anything particularly interesting right now.

What am I supposed to be looking up? Please look up what?

Do you mean the definitions of suicide bomber and martyr?

ok…let’s take a look…

Suicide Bomber…

Martyr…

Looks pretty different to me and all reasonable people involved in defining such matters.

Peace:

Jesus being willing to die on the cross for what he believed is a prime example of committing suicide…

No. Roman Soldiers deliberately terminated his life.

In order for this to be a suicide, Jesus would have had to have killed himself by miraculously nailing himself to the cross

Peace:

…as it is very evident from the beliefs…

Evident from who’s beliefs?

Peace:

…you attached with the personlaity of Jesus by saying/thinking he was God.

Jesus is God.

Peace:

Unless he was God who did not know the future…

Do you know of any other kind of God?

Peace:

…events or at least what will happen to his own body in the hands of Romans/Jews who will spit on him and kill him with a cursed death on cross.

I already said that he knew this was going to happen.

What part of ‘no’ are you not understanding right now?

Peace:

Your interpretation is not necessarily what infact may have happened.

Yes it is.

I know that my redeemer lives. I don’t just believe this to be true. I know this to be true. I know my redeemer lives.

 

[Mr.Ex_Nihilo]

What these miracles have to do with his death when he could not sace his own life from Romans/Jewish false accusers?

I already explained this to you.

Jesus could have saved himself.

Do you think he could not call on his Father, and that he wouldn’t at once put at Jesus’ disposal more than twelve legions of angels?

But how then would the Scriptures be fulfilled that say it must happen in this way?

Peace:

Court knew that he was already innocent yet it allowed to kill him publically in order to defame and shake it’s own government?

Actually, Caiaphas was the one who had advised the Jews that it would be good if one man died for the people.

Caiaphas, who was high priest that year, spoke up…

You know nothing at all! You do not realize that it is better for you that one man die for the people than that the whole nation perish.

He did not say this on his own, but as high priest that year he prophesied that Jesus would die for the Jewish nation.

Peace:

Do you mean to say that Jewish/Roman court shot in it’s own feet by putting the whole blame on Jewish accusers who demanded loudly to kill their own Messiah/King but let release (Jesus) Barabbas who was a famous criminal, while Jesus known as Christ was a healer, mircale performer and peaceful?

No. I mean exactly what Caiaphas said above. It would be good if one man died for the people.

Jesus, as true God and true man, was that chosen person.

 

[Rodrigo_Bivar]

lol

Then no non muslim would have been alive in any Muslim-ruled land where they ruled for centuries.

Nobody said Muslims would kill everyone - there is such a concept as dhimmitude which was not a pretty thing. Muslims think they are tolerant by not killing non-Muslims and instead treat them like dirt.

Ask the Copts and the Hindus whether they enjoyed living as dhimmis.

Peace:

Do you know how many centuries Muslims ruled in Indian subcontinent and Spain?

So? What’s the point?

Peace:

How about Americans and Britishers who were working for more than 25 years in Saudi Arabia in companies like ARAMCO in the 70’s, 80’s and 90’s? Did Muslims kill them all?Do you know Maimonides? He worked for who and what was his profession and job?

So what? The Americans and British were invited guest-workers because the Saudis are not technologically capable of doing many things.

Maimonides was a Jew and a dhimmi - read 9:29.

peace:

Here is a hint for you: There are wives in every culture/faith who kill their husbands. Why?

So what has this to do with the topic of martyrs?

 

[Rodrigo_Bivar]

If Christian martyrs died for their faith then how did they save their faith? Have you forgot Crusades?

Oh… please don’t bring the Crusades again. They were a belated retaliation by Christians against the brutal conquest of their holy land by Muslims. It took 400 years before the Christians finally had had enough and went on Crusades.

And the last Crusade was in 1271-1272 - that’s more than 700 years ago. You Muslims are committing Jihad TODAY.

Besides, there is no theological basis for the Crusade - Jesus Christ did not tell his followers to kill anyone - unlike Muhammad.

peace:

In those days of your so called Christian martyrs, were there Hydrogen, cluster and daisy cutter bombs? Who invented /produced these horrible bombs for the first time in World history?

Uh… Americans? How is this related to martyrs who kill others in suicide bombings?

 

[Rodrigo_Bivar]

Islam tells what? Produce evidence from authentic source of Islam please.

Read surah 9. It’s been discussed many times already.

Peace:

If all of your family members are brutally killed when Israeli cluster bomb was dropped on your home when you all were sleeping, and somehow only you survived and you were only 13 years old…then what would you do? Would you say to Israelis “hello, O peace-loving sons of God, please crucify me the way your ancestors cruxified and killed my God on cross and I know how much you loved (Jesus) Barabbas but there was no love for my peaceful God, Jesus Christ”?

How about accepting Israel’s right to exist and don’t attack them?

 

[Rodrigo_Bivar]

Martyrdom is an honor in Christianity also.

The question is: what constitutes a martyr?

That’s what you’re not answering, and that’s why you’re presenting such a grossly misinformed and uneducated view.

I will leave the Christians to tell you what constitutes a Christian martyr but I can assure you of these facts:

1. Jesus Christ did not condone or sanction suicide attacks/killing of other people.

Muhammad condoned and sanctioned the suicide attacks and killing of other people.

1. Jesus Christ did not grant houris to Christian martyrs.
   Muhammad did.
2. Christian martyrs are by and large those who died under persecution for their faiths.
   Muslim martyrs are by and large those who kill other people.

pro:

You can’t address the fundamental point: In places where there is warfare, and no occupation by different religious groups, there isn’t any Islamic suicide bombing. None.

BS - don’t tell me there is warfare and foreign occupation in Saudi Arabia, Jordan and Egypt.

pro:

So it’s a fact, the only time this becomes an issue, is the same time it becomes an issue for non-Muslims: Under foreign occupation by different religious groups.

This is an untruth - America did not occupy any foreign country when it was attacked on 9/11.

pro:

You just don’t want to read any evidence that disrupts your bigoted worldview. Here’s the proof.

All your so-called evidence are untrue.

Nobody is saying shahadat in Islam is carried out for the fun of it or as a religious rite. We accept shahid believe they have a political/military objective in carrying out shahadat (misguided and bigoted as it may be). However, it is clear that these shahid when performing shahadat are sanctioned and encouraged by their religion.

That is what we’re saying - your religion encourages the killing of innocent (non-combatants) in suicide bombings - i.e. terrorist attacks.

 

[Charlie_Zeaiter]

When Jesus committed suicide…

Is suicide so embedded in your culture that you can’t recognise a sacrifice?

This thread has become hopeless. Even the Qur’an would deny that Jesus committed suicide (see Qur’an 4:157).

I don’t have the energy or interest anymore in this thread. I’d rather be on a thread that is intelligent and interesting. Good-bye and good-luck. I bow out. You win.

 

[Mr.Ex_Nihilo]

Why it is pointless and insulting ?

Because, by this time, if they did not believe his testimony, it would not matter if someone came back from the dead to tell them this was true. In fact, if they did not listen to Moses and the Prophets, then they will not be convinced even if someone did rise from the dead.

Peace:

Jesus could even have simply disappear from the court and save his own life from such horrible cursed suicide. Was he not able to perform an another miracle when he had done so many…

But how then would the Scriptures be fulfilled that say it must happen in this way?

And furthermore, when Pilate asked, “Don’t you realize I have power either to free you or to crucify you?” Jesus answered, “You would have no power over me if it were not given to you from above. Therefore the one who handed me over to you is guilty of a greater sin.”

Likewise, isn’t your question exactly what the eblis was tempting Christ to do-- tempting Christ to save himself and forsake the human race in the process?

The eblis started in a very subtle way and spoke through Judas beginning the temptation in this way saying to the chief priests, "What are you willing to give me if I hand him over to you?"

The eblis continued in a very subtle way and spoke through Peter tempting our Lord in this way saying, "Never, Lord! This shall never happen to you!"

The eblis also spoke through the actions of the apostles and tempted our Lord in this same way when they all deserted him and fled once they realized he was not going to fight back.

The eblis also spoke in the same way through the soldiers who also came up and mocked him as they they offered him wine vinegar while saying, **“If you are the king of the Jews, save yourself.” **

The eblis also spoke through those who passed by him on the cross, hurling insults at him, shaking their heads and saying, "You who are going to destroy the temple and build it in three days, save yourself! Come down from the cross, if you are the Son of God!"

The eblis also spoke through the people who stood watching, and the rulers even sneered at him, as they were saying, "He saved others; let him save himself if he is the Christ of God, the Chosen One."

The eblis also spoke in the same way through the chief priests, the teachers of the law and the elders who mocked him, saying among themselves, "He saved others, but he can’t save himself!"

The eblis even spoke in the same way through one of the criminals who hung there and hurled insults at him saying, **“Aren’t you the Christ? Save yourself and us!” **

And now I read your words saying, "Jesus could even have simply disappear from the court and save his own life from such horrible cursed suicide. Was he not able to perform an another miracle when he had done so many…"

Based on a thorough understadning of the Christian Scriptures, it sounds very much like the eblis is speaking through you right now Peace.

continued…

 

[Mr.Ex_Nihilo]

…continued.

Peace:

And so many that according to so called “John” of Gospel according to John:

John 20 (New American Bible)
30 19 Now Jesus did many other signs in the presence of (his) disciples that are not written in this book.

John 21 (New American Bible)
25 There are also many other things that Jesus did, but if these were to be described individually, I do not think the whole world would contain the books that would be written.

So what was the big deal for Jesus to perform an another miracle and save his life from false accusation and then start healing sicks and raising dead atleast of Children of Israel?

Because the Christian Scriptures say that Jesus did die on the cross and rose from the dead on the third day. So, regardless of whaever other miracles he may have performed, none of them would contradict the fact that he died on the cross and rose again on the third day in order to fulfill what the Holy Scriptures had said must happen.

Peace:

Or perhaps he could have stretched his mission to non-Israelites to go to places like India, Japan or Australia or America and there too by performing more miracles wonders and signs convert Hindus, Budists, native Americans. But he did not. He left the job to his disciples who were basically fishermen and did not really understood what he was preaching. It had to be a Pharisee fro Tarsus who was working for Romans and persecuting followers of Jesus who with his amazing conflicting conversion story dominated all 12 disciples’ first hand understanding of their God who nailed the very law of Moses to the cursed cross which was supposed to revived/restored.

Jesus not only still lives since the resurrection, he also lives in those who believe in him by God the Holy Spirit-- such as his apostles like Peter and Paul, his disciples, and all those Hindus, Buddhists and Native Americans who did convert and did see miraculous signs in Jesus’ name over the last 2000 years.

Peace:

By the way the charge was not whether Jesus claimed he was Son of God but whether he was King of the Jews.

No. The charge laid against him was his claim of deity.

It starts here…

“We are not stoning you for any of these,” replied the Jews, “but for blasphemy, because you, a mere man, claim to be God.”

And it continues here…
John 19:7:

The Jews insisted, “We have a law, and according to that law he must die, because he claimed to be the Son of God.”

And it finishes with the crucifixion.

Peace:

And this charge was false and as such court find him NOT GUILTY.

It was an illegal tribunal-- and many Jews walked out of this illegal tribunal.

As I said before, Caiaphas was the one who had advised the Jews that it would be good if one man died for the people. He did not say this on his own, but as high priest that year he prophesied that Jesus would die for the Jewish nation-- so this wasn’t an entirely evil and malignant process even though the tribunal was illegal by Jewish standards.

Likewise, many Jews who did not believe in Jesus’ claim of Messiah, such as Gamaliel for example, still thought it was wrong to have him crucified-- so not all Jewish people agreed with this decision even if they powerless to prevent it from happening.

And those Jews who did believe in him as the Christ, such as Joseph of Arimithea, actually spoke out against this illegal tribunal. Later, Nicodemus actually assisted Joseph with Jesus’s burial-- so some Jews did not even participate in this tribunal at all.

The minority of Jews, however, who did participate (and condoned his crucifixion with the intent of proving that he was guilty of blasphemy) were thoroughly condemned by their condemantion of the Savior or God.

Peace:

And how can such a person who had been running from one place to another and hiding could claim to be the King of the Jew? Did he have a palace/castle and lot of money and properties?

This am bizarro answer?

 

[Mr.Ex_Nihilo]

Whether Jesus died is an OPEN QUESTION, in the first place. So what you are saying based on such an OPEN QUESTION is too early and senseless thus it makes no sense to build a castle upon it.

No. The matter has been settled from Calvary long ago Peace.

If Christ has not been raised, our preaching is useless and so is your faith. More than that, we are then found to be false witnesses about God, for we have testified about God that he raised Christ from the dead.

But there is plenty of evidence that these testimonies are valid eye-witness accounts from reliable sources which have been historically verified.

Peace:

Through such spirit, good works of all Godly people keep continue among their true/committed followers and this kind of phenamenon is not unique in your the case of your Jesus.

I’ve never denied that the Holy Spirit can work through a non-Catholic. I’ve gone on record here stating that I beleive that non-Christains are open to the Holy Spirit too. More than that, the Holy Spirit often works through all people around the world.

Non-Christians, however, are not temples of the Holy Spirit in the sense that Christians are. So while the Holy Spirit can certainly work through non-Christians, they do not have a secure indwelling in the same sense that Christians do. They do not have the assurance in Christ that Christians are blessed with. And their adherance to false beliefs form other religions (and lack of faith in the true God) restricts the motion of the Holy Spirit in their lives.

Peace:

Just take a look how the Holy Spirit continue to be present in Luther and his followers and then all the numerous denominations came into existence after Luther’s excommunication from your Catholic Church.

Well…I was formerly Lutheran, so I know a thing or two about Lutheranism.

Are you saying there is no difference between Catholicism and Lutheranism?

Because, if you are, I can assure you that there are many Lutherans and Catholics here that will tell you differently.

Both claim to be more true than the other.

And some Lutheran bodies believe the Pope works in the spirit of anti-Christ. My formerly Lutheran congregatrion did teach this to be honest.

But what exactly does this have to do with Islamic extremists, I’m am unsure.

Peace:

That same Holy Spirit even allowed/encouraged a Nun (Katharina (Katherine) von Bora ) to marry such a historical famous theologian Martin Luther in 1525.

Your conversation seems to be meandering around a few additional factors here.

Did you want to start a new thread about calibacy of the priesthood?

Peace:

If you say marraige is not good for such theologians/priests or popes or nuns, then you are going too far because you are suggesting that these “holy” men should not have their own progeny who could also become “holy” like them under their parenthood. What if the parents of those “holy” men of yours too decided to remain unmarried then how and from where you would have been able to produced your Popes/Priests/Nuns?

Start a new thread, and I’ll participate in this. I’m sure others would too.

Peace:

Keep in mind I am not talking about corrupted priests here. Since just because there are many corrupted priests unfortunately happened to exist more in Catholics than any other Christian denomination, doesn’t mean you have a point to defend Popes and Priests’ act of remaining unmarried.

Um…I hope you have some statistics to back up this claim. I’ve read differently. You can also check out this.

Per capita, Catholic priests do not have a higher incidence of pedophilia than do married clergymen. The reason why you don’t hear as much about the other cases is because of the anti-Catholic bias that permeates the media.

 

[Peace]

Poverty is not a cause of terrorism.

But who told you that poverty is cause of terrorism? Poverty may be alongwith other causes/factors that incite normal peaceful people to become terrorists. Not all people are alike? Or are they?
If you are a nasty Christian heavy drunkard husband and keep giving hard time to your peaceful non-alcoholic Christian or Jewish wife for years, then what may happen one day? One day your peaceful wife may kill you. Because it is you who are a nasty and turned your peaceful wife into a terrorist and she may even kill herself too after killing you in order not to face any nasty judical difficulties and/or not to remain a widow for the rest of her life as a Christian or by following the path of your suicidal God because your God despite knowing full that Jews will kill him, did not defend his innocence.
Was Jesus a poor man? Yes. Yet he loved to die with whatever sickest punishment was under Romans/Jewish rule of his time. Why he loved to die? Because he knew they were going to kill him. Are you going to tell me that your God did not know he will be killed? Ofcourse you cannot. because he is your God and as God he must have known perfectly that he not onlt killed through a most horrible death (as horrible as death with Cluster or Hydrogen or Daisy Cutters bombs or deadliest piosons or electric chairs) but also knew that criminal Jews will spit on him and will insult him in public.
What if Romans had access to most sphisticated weapons such as Cluster, Hydrogen and Daisy Cutters and piosons and electric chairs to execute criminals, would they still have killed your God on the cursed cross? But wait Romans did not even find your God guilty. It were Jews who demanded from Romans that your God should be crucified but let the famous criminal (Jesus) Barabbas go free.

So do you think Jews had access to what they now have ( such as the things they dropped on the main infrastructre of Lebanon and on thousands of innocent Christians and Muslims of Lebanon and Palestine) would not have use them to punish your God when they knew that he was a miracle worker and may trick them and escape the punishment? Use your common sense and it will tell you that Jews would certainly have used atleast an electric chair to get rid of your God as soon as possible without inciting a revolt in their “peaceful” nation because they were afraid more of Romans who could snatch their political power than your God’s truth/truthfulness/innocence. Just like how Zionists now commit all kinds of evil tactics to inflict their disgrace on Arab Christian and Muslim Palestinians in order to enjoy the political power under the safe Atomic peaceful umbrella of the West (especially USA).

What if the peaceful West stopped supporting Zionists and take back it’s Atomic and “Ethical” Umbrella? Do you think Zionists still would be able to occupy Palestine for one day let alone for mroe than half a century? Ofcourse not. They have to dismantle the so called state of Israel which is illegal and unjust and all unwelcome Jews (settlers) must go back to wherever they came from. If Hitler had killed 6 million Jews, and turned their progeny/relatives and other numerous Jews into refugees then why Palestinian Christians and Muslims should give their homes/lands to those Jewish refugees who are coming from Europe and even from Russia, USA and India etc? Are they invited by the Palestinian Christians and Muslims? Are they guest-workers in Palestine?
Would you like to give up your home/land for these children of God whose parents were killed/injured by your Catholic Adolf Hitler through gas-chambering and other barbaric methods? If you say no, why not? Don’t you love these children of God (Zionists and other Jews) who are called “Sons of God” in your Bible? (read Pslam 82 in which your God calls them “Ye are gods”). Why such enemosity towards these Biblical Sons of God and even gods from peaceful Christians? Why not Vatican give all millions of Jews shelter in Vatican? By the way the Jews, especially in UK are dramatically decreasing. Your current Pope seems very generous and godly as he even seems to have link with Nazi party in the past, and now he must have a lot of love for Sons/choosen people of God–Jews and Zionists-- because he even love non-choosen people of God such as Muslims, then can he atleast allow the whole Isreali people to migrate to his Vatican and live there with Peaceful rule of his infallible Popeship?

If popes can even wash the feet of ordinary gentile christians then why cannot Catholic Church re-honour gods/sons of God (Jews and Zionist) by allowing them to live right in their Vatican? Afterall Jesus was a Jew and even his mother too was a Jewess and light upon light, your God was circumcised by the Jews. Are you denying that your God’s penis was not circumcised when your God was a baby of 8 days?

 

[Mr.Ex_Nihilo]

I don’t see any difference between a suicide bomber and the very suicidal death of your God, let alone “martyrdom” of those who follow such suicidal God. So your statement “The Christian choose martyrdom-- not suicide” is sensless and shows how ignorant you are.

So now I’m called ignorant because you can’t actually defend your own claims?

Congrats Peace.

You just made a personal attack on me.

Consider yourself reported and have a nice day.

 

[Sixtus]

I have often defended attacks on Moslems and would continue to do so. But I was shocked to read about the 14 year old child beheaded by Moslems in Iraq,

Any form of child abuse is wrong but such barbaric killing is as bad as it gets. That is not the will of God. Neither is it done in God’s name. The Author of life must have wept at the news of one of His little ones being so barbarically treated.

It has cast Islam in a new light for me

 

[Sixtus]

have often defended attacks on Moslems and would continue to do so

Typing error. Should read ‘I have often defended Moslems from attacks’

Sixtus

 

[Ella]

Sixtus, you can edit your posts… just so ya know…

 

[Ella]

So now I’m called ignorant because you can’t actually defend your own claims?

Congrats Peace.

You just made a personal attack on me.

Consider yourself reported and have a nice day.

I think ol’ Mr. Peace isn’t going to be around much longer. And btw I have never read such ugly things said about Jesus or Christianity as that spewed forth from the poorly named Peace.

 

[Rodrigo_Bivar]

peace:

But who told you that poverty is cause of terrorism?

Your Muslim brother pro_universal.