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EzraJacob
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Such is a blanket statement. JIhad is physical and dangerous. Especially if we do not want to be subjected to second citizen ways.
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hamba2han
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In case anyone doubts that the Ten Commandments are found in the Qur’an, have a look at this link.
And for those who say that Muslims are not following the Commandments taught by Jesus Christ (pbuh) the way that Christians are “following” them… well, I would actually agree with this as illustrated in the following example:
In the incident when Jesus (pbuh) went ballistic and threw out the moneychangers in the Temple, it clearly showed that he viewed usury as an abomination against the Lord.
Today however, many Christians have ignored the Bible’s prohibition against usury and have instead sided with the Zionist-controlled banks in opposing Sharia-compliant finance which does indeed prohibit usury.
Well then, who is following Jesus (pbuh) in combating usury, Muslims or Christians?
And in a larger context, who between Muslims and Christians is striving to keep the Commandments the way Jesus Christ (pbuh) has instructed his followers?
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“By their fruits ye shall know them. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles? Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but the corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit. A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit. Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire. Therefore by their fruits ye shall know them.”** (Matthew 7:16-20)
Both the Bible and Qur’an say usury is evil, whereas the Zionists who control the world’s financial institutions do not at all consider usury to be evil.
And so, which is the evil one here → Islam which prohibits usury… or the Zionists who do not?
The answer to this question is really very, very easy for Christians to figure out… but only on condition that they refer to the teachings of Jesus Christ (pbuh) for moral guidance, NOT by appealing to their own emotions and prejudices when trying to determine what is good and what is evil.
"By their fruits ye shall know them." (Matthew 7:20)
And for those who say that Muslims are not following the Commandments taught by Jesus Christ (pbuh) the way that Christians are “following” them… well, I would actually agree with this as illustrated in the following example:
In the incident when Jesus (pbuh) went ballistic and threw out the moneychangers in the Temple, it clearly showed that he viewed usury as an abomination against the Lord.
Today however, many Christians have ignored the Bible’s prohibition against usury and have instead sided with the Zionist-controlled banks in opposing Sharia-compliant finance which does indeed prohibit usury.
Well then, who is following Jesus (pbuh) in combating usury, Muslims or Christians?
And in a larger context, who between Muslims and Christians is striving to keep the Commandments the way Jesus Christ (pbuh) has instructed his followers?
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“By their fruits ye shall know them. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles? Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but the corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit. A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit. Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire. Therefore by their fruits ye shall know them.”** (Matthew 7:16-20)
Both the Bible and Qur’an say usury is evil, whereas the Zionists who control the world’s financial institutions do not at all consider usury to be evil.
And so, which is the evil one here → Islam which prohibits usury… or the Zionists who do not?
The answer to this question is really very, very easy for Christians to figure out… but only on condition that they refer to the teachings of Jesus Christ (pbuh) for moral guidance, NOT by appealing to their own emotions and prejudices when trying to determine what is good and what is evil.
"By their fruits ye shall know them." (Matthew 7:20)
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noobio
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|f you believe Islam is violent then proof it from the Quran or Hadith. If you can’t do that, you have no good reason to think, Islam will advance, because the Quran promotes it.
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EzraJacob
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Yeah, because the banks are the only ones opposing Sharia.
And only Zionist control the banks. Hell, the Zionist control every western country lol
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EzraJacob
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Jihad is not in the Quran?
Islam will advance through lieing and Satan. Satan already has great influence.
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And fight in the Way of Allah those who fight you, but transgress not the limits. Truly, Allah likes not the transgressors. [This Verse is the first one that was revealed in connection with Jihad, but it was supplemented by another (V.9:36)].
And kill them wherever you find them, and turn them out from where they have turned you out. And Al-Fitnah is worse than killing. And fight not with them at Al-Masjid-al-Haram (the sanctuary at Makkah), unless they (first) fight you there. But if they attack you, then kill them. Such is the recompense of the disbelievers.
But if they cease, then Allah is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful.
And fight them until there is no more Fitnah (disbelief and worshipping of others along with Allah) and (all and every kind of) worship is for Allah (Alone). But if they cease, let there be no transgression except against Az-Zalimun (the polytheists, and wrong-doers, etc.)
I bolded the last, bit incase you wanted to claim that the war is only against thous who attack. No, they are not to cease until we submit to Satan aka Allah.
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Jihad (holy fighting in Allah’s Cause) is ordained for you (Muslims) though you dislike it, and it may be that you dislike a thing which is good for you and that you like a thing which is bad for you. Allah knows but you do not know.
They ask you concerning fighting in the Sacred Months (i.e. 1st, 7th, 11th and 12th months of the Islamic calendar). Say, "Fighting therein is a great (transgression)** but a greater (transgression) with Allah is to prevent mankind from following the Way of Allah, to disbelieve in Him,** to prevent access to Al-Masjid-al-Haram (at Makkah), and to drive out its inhabitants, and **Al-Fitnah is worse than killing. **And they will never cease fighting you until they turn you back from your religion (Islamic Monotheism) if they can. And whosoever of you turns back from his religion and dies as a disbeliever, then his deeds will be lost in this life and in the Hereafter, and they will be the dwellers of the Fire. They will abide therein forever.
The Quran even makes them paranoid. That we will make then convert and so they need to fight us. And “Al-Fitnah is worse than killing”. So disbelieve and being Catholic is worse then killing. That is why its nothing to kill us.
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noobio
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Muslims have verses in there holy book which are similar to the bible but, there alot of things muslims don’t follow
Muslims deny the Fathers voice.
A voice came from the cloud, saying, “This is my Son, whom I have chosen; listen to him.” (Luke 9:35)
Muslims don’t go to Jesus for eternal life.
I give them eternal life, and they will never perish. No one can snatch them away from me, (John 10:28)
Muslims do not seek rest from Jesus.
Come to me, all who labor and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest. (Mathew 11:28)
Muslims ignore Jesus’ words about his death and him rising again.
He then began to teach them that the Son of Man must suffer many things and be rejected by the elders, chief priests and teachers of the law, and that he must be killed and after three days rise again. (Mark 8:31)
Muslims reject God’s ultimate sacrifice.
For God loved the world so much he sacrficed his only son, so whoever believes in him shall not parish but have eternal life (John 3:16).
Muslims believe the bible is corrupt and the Gospel of Jesus is. But, how can God’s word be corrupted ? If the book before the Quran was corrupted and God allowed why should we think The quran is not corrupted ?
but the word of the Lord stands forever." ( 1 Peter 1:25)
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noobio
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Well, now that you have proof, I think Islam promotes violence. But im not sure if its in context, or a correct interpretation.
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EzraJacob
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Its in context. Go and read it yourself. Just google online Quran.
The one I have at home and read was from the Saudis and the commentary was much worse. I threw it away though.
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GaryTaylor
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The lack of human compassion in the Hadith is astounding The Death of `Asma Bint Marwan’ is a perfect example. Her life was considered by mohammad as insignificant as two goats locking horns.
Where does Islam live in peace with any other religion or non-religion. Where are these Good Muslims? All we see are those who are leading Islamic Countries toward disaster? The one Arab Nation of extremists who chose’s to wipe Israel off the Map. The end result of that is Nuclear war.
“Last nights” News alone bought LIbya, Egypt, Syria, Somolia, Afghanistan, Iraq backed now by Iran weapons and soldiers. Right such a loving, peace offering religion
Islamphobia is the ZION-CRUSADER thinking and of course we know how Islam feels about Buddists, Hindus and atheist. Who do they get along with??? Oh right NOBODY!
Jihad is to impose Sharia Law where-ever Islam chose’s to live. But of course they cannot do this as a minority. What astounds me is those who chose to defend it usally live in the Freedom of the West, or in other words…Outside the Polluted Air.
Slavery today? Hows that fit in the Quran and Hadith?
Where does Islam live in peace with any other religion or non-religion. Where are these Good Muslims? All we see are those who are leading Islamic Countries toward disaster? The one Arab Nation of extremists who chose’s to wipe Israel off the Map. The end result of that is Nuclear war.
“Last nights” News alone bought LIbya, Egypt, Syria, Somolia, Afghanistan, Iraq backed now by Iran weapons and soldiers. Right such a loving, peace offering religion
Islamphobia is the ZION-CRUSADER thinking and of course we know how Islam feels about Buddists, Hindus and atheist. Who do they get along with??? Oh right NOBODY!
Jihad is to impose Sharia Law where-ever Islam chose’s to live. But of course they cannot do this as a minority. What astounds me is those who chose to defend it usally live in the Freedom of the West, or in other words…Outside the Polluted Air.
Slavery today? Hows that fit in the Quran and Hadith?
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hamba2han
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This poignant reminder from BibleGateway.com is just a tiny sampling of what I would consider to be proof of the corruption of the Bible:.
[The earliest manuscripts and some other ancient witnesses do not have verses 9–20.].
… And so then, which of the following Biblical verses is more likely to be true?
EITHER
He said to them, "Go into ALL the world and preach the good news to ALL creation. … (Mark 16:15)
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"I was sent ONLY to the lost sheep of Israel." … (Matthew 15:24)
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"These twelve Jesus sent out with the following instructions: 'Do NOT go among the Gentiles or enter any town of the Samaritans. Go rather to the lost sheep of Israel." … (Matthew 10:5-6)
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… perhaps Christians are saying that there is NO contradiction between the above Biblical verses found in Mark and Matthew?
It makes absolutely no sense at all that Jesus (pbuh) would spend the entire period of his ministry preaching only to the lost sheep of Israel and then immediately after his alleged crucifixion orders his disciples to go to all nations and preach to all people.
If the divine message that he brought was intended for all of humankind, then why couldn’t he declare it in no uncertain terms right from the beginning of his mission like what Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) did?
How was the danger to his life faced by Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) any less than the danger that Prophet Jesus (pbuh) faced in carrying out his own mission?
The Lord protected Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) from his enemies and so why shouldn’t He do the same for Prophet Jesus (pbuh)?
If I were to accept the Christian explanation that it was all part of the grand strategy of God, then I would have to conclude that Jesus (pbuh) … and by extension God Himself… intentionally lied when he said “I was sent ONLY to the lost sheep of Israel” in Matthew 15:24.
I just cannot accept that it was necessary for Jesus (pbuh), or any of the Prophets of God (peace be upon them all), to lie about their mission because this is something which clearly breaks one of the Ten Commandments not to bear false witness.
How on earth is it possible that a true Prophet of God will intentionally break any of the Commandments in order to spread the Message of the Lord?
And so, there you have it, actual proof & confirmation from the dedicated research of respected Biblical scholars that the contents of the Bible has indeed been seriously altered.
And as for the reasons why the Qur’an is different, I have recently explained it in this post.
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EzraJacob
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lol, I thought Muslims hate Jews also because Muhammad died from being poisoned by a Jewish girl.
Not to mention, his hatred for Jews because they rejected his prophethood.
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noobio
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This was after he crucifixion of Jesus, when his mission to fullfill the prophecy for Isreal was done.
Jesus mission was to go to Jews during his ministry, after so he could fulfill the Law then the diciples would go to the gentiles and spread the new covenant. I don’t see any contridiction.
There is no contridiction
Actually it makes sense. Jesus Christ needed to die, so the apostles could preach how Jesus fulfilled the law. If Christ did not die, there would be nothig to preach or to spread.
Jesus mission required him to die on the cross, so then salvation would be availalbe for all humanity. It would be impossible to preach to the gentiles unless the law, was fullfilled.
Well, im not sure about the life of Muhommad, but the Jews attempted to kill Jesus many times and they eventually did.
Are you asking why God would allow Jesus to die on the cross ? It was because Christ willingly did it and God wanted to sacrifice his Son so the world may have eternal life.
Mathew 15:24 just means Christ was sent only to the Jews, to proof his Messiahship, within his ministry diricted by the Father to fullfill the Law. Then later on the new covenant would be preached to all nations.
You didn’t provide any proof that the Bible is totaly corrupted.
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GaryTaylor
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Simple fact is the NT-Bible considers Jesus Chirst GOD.
So you must be stating Jesus Christ is the second person Trinity GOD-since you chose to quote Biblical verse? Since here is the complete text of MARK-16…
15 He said to them, “Go into all the world and preach the gospel to all creation. 16 Whoever believes and is baptized will be saved, but whoever does not believe will be condemned. 17 And these signs will accompany those who believe: In my name they will drive out demons; they will speak in new tongues; 18 they will pick up snakes with their hands; and when they drink deadly poison, it will not hurt them at all; they will place their hands on sick people, and they will get well.”
19 After the “Lord” Jesus had spoken to them, he was taken up into heaven and he sat at the right hand of God. 20 Then the disciples went out and preached everywhere, and the Lord worked with them and confirmed his word by the signs that accompanied it.
So you must be stating Jesus Christ is the second person Trinity GOD-since you chose to quote Biblical verse? Since here is the complete text of MARK-16…
15 He said to them, “Go into all the world and preach the gospel to all creation. 16 Whoever believes and is baptized will be saved, but whoever does not believe will be condemned. 17 And these signs will accompany those who believe: In my name they will drive out demons; they will speak in new tongues; 18 they will pick up snakes with their hands; and when they drink deadly poison, it will not hurt them at all; they will place their hands on sick people, and they will get well.”
19 After the “Lord” Jesus had spoken to them, he was taken up into heaven and he sat at the right hand of God. 20 Then the disciples went out and preached everywhere, and the Lord worked with them and confirmed his word by the signs that accompanied it.
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noobio
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This is your post that you told me to look at.
So your’e saying Mohommad is a prophet becaus the Quran exist ? So, if I get a bunch of scribes, to make them write what I want them to, and claim to be a prophet, would that make me a prophet ?
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Kouyate42
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Sources please. Otherwise this is merely conjecture and nonsense talking.
Indeed, according to commentaries I’ve read on the subject of the Qur’an and jihad, this is correct. According to the notes written in the Abdullah Yusuf Ali translation I have, any action where you do something in the name of Allah, no matter how small, is jihad. Getting out of bed and walking to work in the rain in jihad. Working hard to provide for your family is jihad.
Holy war makes up a ‘lesser’ jihad and is subject to many rules given in the Qur’an, one of which is that it is done purely in self-defence of Islam. Instruction is given to believers that where Islam is not allowed to be practiced or is restricted in the country where believers are living, it would be better to leave that country.
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hamba2han
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What I am saying is that the Qur’an is the living miracle which is the ultimate proof of the Prophet-hood of Muhammad (pbuh).
There are in fact many, many miracles that the Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) performed which provides evidence of his Prophet-hood but it is the Qu’ran itself which is his greatest miracle.
And why is the Qur’an such an awesome miracle?.. You need to read all of the links which I have provided in my previous post to find out.
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noobio
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I can say the bibe is proof that Christ died on the cross, and rose again on the third day.
Theres alot of miracles that are recorded in the bible, and im pretty sure the church has done alot of miracles.
Can you please just give yor reasons why Islam/ the Quran are miracles on this thread ?
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Kouyate42
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You’re doing something known as circular reasoning. You’re trying to prove the Qur’an through Muhammad’s miracles yet the sole source of these miracles is the very thing you’re trying to prove- the Qur’an.
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Ladervijd
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“By their fruits ye shall know them. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles? Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but the corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit. A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit. Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire. Therefore by their fruits ye shall know them.” (Matthew 7:16-20)
Yes, when gardening (on limited surface of land), it is a reasonable thing to get rid of trees which have fruits of no use, as in the fruits of a tree being rotten. Saves water, new tree can be planted, and eventual spread of eventual tree disease is more likely to be prevented. Outside of agricultural use, trees with fruits which have no or little use to humans or poisonous to humans, such trees likely offer food ond home to animals, and they do the photosyntesis thing, so no need to get rid of them, albeit there might such situation eg. when offspring of a tree ‘invades’ a garden.
Yes, when gardening (on limited surface of land), it is a reasonable thing to get rid of trees which have fruits of no use, as in the fruits of a tree being rotten. Saves water, new tree can be planted, and eventual spread of eventual tree disease is more likely to be prevented. Outside of agricultural use, trees with fruits which have no or little use to humans or poisonous to humans, such trees likely offer food ond home to animals, and they do the photosyntesis thing, so no need to get rid of them, albeit there might such situation eg. when offspring of a tree ‘invades’ a garden.
A small worm, or a swarm of insects for that matter, may find a particular foul fruit (or plural for that matter) to be yummy, but that doesn’t mean that all the fruits would be foul or rotten.
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hamba2han
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Bearing in mind that the aim of this thread is to examine whether Islam is good or evil, then I think the discussion is heading in a different direction of late.
I think that I have said all that I wish to say on the topic of Islam being good in the eyes of the Lord (at least for the time being) and so I am withdrawing from this thread.
I think that I have said all that I wish to say on the topic of Islam being good in the eyes of the Lord (at least for the time being) and so I am withdrawing from this thread.
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