Islam

[pro_universal]

the internet does not solve the problem…it should be made known publically…is it hard?

I’m not sure I see what you’re asking for. Do you think the internet is private? Or do you think the Sunni sheikhs don’t post anywhere else??? What exactly would count as “known publicly”? Muslima seems to know it well enough.

if muslims believe its a religion of peace, let them prove it outloud.

PS: why on earth did you say you are Christian?

They cannot prove anything if we are not listening.

I said I am Christian because I am.

 

[Cyber_Knight]

inJESUS:

yes i read have of it…it’s good…but what is more important is that ALL muslim scheikh should issue a fatwa on the behalf of ALL muslim nations, stating that killing is forbidden…the internet does not solve the problem…it should be made known publically…is it hard?

Its not hard but to admit it publically it takes gut. Do they have one?

this is the standard muslim response…if…why…I’m telling you that these people were persecuted and you can read their writings and you can see their caves…am talking history here…

They never read history. Infact they have their own histories

to sum up before i go, am not interested whether the killing in quran is in context or not…i just want this killing to stop…as for the general moral teachings of mohammad, they are agaisnt Jesus’ teachings…this fact cannot be denied…hence the Bible calls him anti-Christ…muslims can worship whatever they want…all we non-moslems want is that the violence stops…whether some quote the quran to condone killing or not, its not the issue…if muslims believe its a religion of peace, let them prove it outloud.

Good points!!

PS: why on earth did you say you are Christian?
God bless and see you later.

At the end… she/he is a real muslim playing taqqiya… We both know what taqqiya mean inJESUS

 

[pro_universal]

At the end… she/he is a real muslim playing taqqiya… We both know what taqqiya mean inJESUS

I get an especially good kick out of this one…taqqiya is a Shia only practice, so that cuts about 80 percent of Muslims worldwide out of your accusation right there.

Seriously people, you need to start remembering that the word “Catholic” isn’t just a name; it means something.

 

[Cyber_Knight]

pro_universal:

I get an especially good kick out of this one…taqqiya is a Shia only practice, so that cuts about 80 percent of Muslims worldwide out of your accusation right there.

Aha… shia only oractice… I see. since most of you, suni, considering shia is not real muslim, so taqqiya also not islamic teaching… is that your point?

Seriously people, you need to start remembering that the word “Catholic” isn’t just a name; it means something.

It does mean something. Universal.

 

[pro_universal]

Knight,

Here’s an analogy:

taqqiya is to Islam as evangelical “tongues” is to Christianity. Some claim it is part of the teaching, but they are a minority.

I don’t see why it’s surprising that many of the odd teachings that show up on internet hate sites aren’t commonly believed…it’s the same in our Church

 

[Cyber_Knight]

pro_universal:

Knight,

Here’s an analogy:

taqqiya is to Islam as evangelical “tongues” is to Christianity. Some claim it is part of the teaching, but they are a minority.

I don’t see why it’s surprising that many of the odd teachings that show up on internet hate sites aren’t commonly believed…it’s the same in our Church

Never heard about evangelical tongues… What I know the evangelist never lied about Jesus and the Bible and its teaching. Are you saying evangelist are liar??

Our church? what church? you mean your mosque?

 

[pro_universal]

Never heard about evangelical tongues… What I know the evangelist never lied about Jesus and the Bible and its teaching. Are you saying evangelist are liar??

Yes, I used the term to name self-described “evangelicals” in the modern United States. They get up on stages and speak gibberish, claiming that it’s the “gift of tongues.” It is a ridiculous practice, and those who follow the traditions of Christ shouldn’t have to answer for it.

Just like not all Muslims should have to answer for any zany teaching you can find on jihadwatch, like Al Taqqiya.

As for our Church, I mean the one that Jesus Christ himself founded 2000 years ago.

 

[Cyber_Knight]

pro_universal:

Yes, I used the term to name self-described “evangelicals” in the modern United States. They get up on stages and speak gibberish, claiming that it’s the “gift of tongues.” It is a ridiculous practice, and those who follow the traditions of Christ shouldn’t have to answer for it.

I dont care they talk rubbish as long as they are not condone violence. As long as not killing non christian in the name of Jesus. Why is it hard just to admit it that they do it base on their book? Why is it hard for you to understand? where are ‘good muslims’ when ‘bad muslims’ bretheren killing children in Beslan?

As for our Church, I mean the one that Jesus Christ himself founded 2000 years ago.

Would you please write down again “Muhammad is a false prophet that Jesus warned his followers since 2000 years ago” … no offence to other muslims, but can you write it down again for me? thanks!

 

[Reuben_J]

Muslima:

So books of Hadith are filled with many Hadith that were connected to Prophet, but he never said them. This is something every Moslem knows. Enemies of Islam nowadays try to use such Hadiths to prove any thing they wish about Islam.

If you have a single authorithy to determine which Hadith are accepted, then what you say will not arise. Moreover, Muslims themselves will not make use of the unaccepted Hadith to justify their unaccepted actions.

Muslima:

Of course, people of Minor Asia, Egypt, Syria, … other countries did not invite moslems to their countries, I would say this again, Moslems were comanded to make the word of Allah the upper word, means that no other AUTHORITY (again authority not people) would be higher than the authority of Allah, this is for the sake of not controlling the destiny of Moslems and their religion and accordingly the words of Allah by another power (Romans, Persians. Americans), that is what Moslems should fight for. But when war is over and Islam takes power, no civilian is ordered to be a Moslem or killed, Hagia Sophia church is only one case, it has circumstances, and the ruler at that time who did so was not obeying God, but hundreds of churches in Egypt, Palestine, Syria, Lebanon, North Africa goes back to the Roman age, no body turned them into mosques. In reading the history, the coptics in egypt, eastern christians in syria, lebanon and palistine welcomed the Moslems as they saved them from the torment and presecution of the Roman empire.

I’m sorry I can’t agree with you here for reasons that have been explained by some Christians in this forum.

Muslima:

1. Muhammad ordered to kill non beleivers if they are only corruptors, or making riots.
   2:193: And fight them on until there is no more Tumult or oppression, and there prevail justice and faith in Allah; but if they cease, Let there be no hostility except to those who practise oppression.
   Mohamed followed Jesus in the main frame of his religion, but what Islam added is legalisation which is not found in the bible.

Peace be Upon You
Moslema

So that’s the Islamic position.

There’s a site showing some paintings of Prophet Muhammad given by a member here in one of the threads. It shows Muhammad sitting like a judge witnessing a person being beheaded right in front of him. Not surprising, eh?

Is this issue (approval of killing) not “in the main frame of Jesus’ religion”? What do Muslims consider the main frame of Jesus’ religion?

 

[Reuben_J]

Reuben J:

My friend, you are speaking from an Islamic mind. You are scandalized to hear what we believe which are abominations to you. So I can understand why you are saying the things you said. Just remember this – we don’t agree with Quranic/Islamic’ teachings and concepts, so what you’re saying are non-issue to us. You seem to be unable to reason independently outside the confinement of the concept of the Quran. If this assessment is correct, then I think you will have problem here discussing inter-religious issues.

A Christian here, sometime back rightly summed this up – we don’t ask you to agree or believe our doctrines, but at least to understand what they really are. They can be stupid or blasphemous to you, and that’s your opinion or the teaching of your religion that says so. But it’s important to understand our concept first. I don’t think it’s too difficult that it’s above your intelligence. Then discussion or argument would be smoother. We’ll not be wasting unnecessary time clarifying obvious misunderstandings and even if we do, it will be minimal.

May God bless you. Hope you will have fruitful and profitable time here in this forum. I’m sorry if some of the things I say may hurt your feeling. No offence meant.

Peace.

Reuben

Muslima:

Dear brother Reuben,
I highly appreciate what you are saying, I am completely aware that we are different, you regard many of my beleifs as wrong, the same way I regard many of your beliefs wrong too, this is normal and I am not at all offended by it. I am just trying to explain that the image that that many non moslems are having nowadays for Islam is not true and does not express the true Islam. I do not blame you for this. On the contrary, I am blaming Moslems themselves because they gave a bad image about themselves and their religion. I am just trying to say we may be different in beliefs but we are not bad and we do not see you bad.

Peace be upon you
Muslema

Peace to you sister Muslima.

The mentioned post of mine above was not directed to you but to teddybear2000. The whole reply was edited by the moderator.

You are OK as far as trying to understand our religion. I too don’t have problem regarding our disagreement.

God bless.

Reuben

 

[Booklover]

pro_universal:

I get an especially good kick out of this one…taqqiya is a Shia only practice, so that cuts about 80 percent of Muslims worldwide out of your accusation right there.

Is it really?

Seriously people, you need to start remembering that the word “Catholic” isn’t just a name; it means something.

It also means that we are the Church Militant and that we are supposed to defend it when it is attacked, contested, denied, betrayed and persecuted through the ages and we should expose those teachings that want to destroy ours!

May I ask why you a “catholic”, are playing devil’s advocate for Islam?

Vickie

 

[inJESUS]

I’m not sure I see what you’re asking for. Do you think the internet is private? Or do you think the Sunni sheikhs don’t post anywhere else??? What exactly would count as “known publicly”? Muslima seems to know it well enough.

what i mean is that it should be known to the whole world by all means : tv, radio, media, internet, conferences…if it is indeed public, why on earth are there billions of people who consider mohammad and his teachings violent? even atheist agree that Jesus’ teachings and life are the ideal of peace…why billions see the opposite in muhammad’s message? is a message of tolerance and peace so hard to express? it took Jesus 3 years to accomplish everything ( interesting number ), 3 years to give a message of peace known worldwide…it took mohammad 23 years to give amessage, each time adding a bit to a previous passage hence repeating the same stuff undlessly, yet his message of love, peace, tolerance is not clear…you open the Bible , it takes you no effort to find love, forgiveness, tolerance, hope, joy ecc…open the quran, you have to dig for something related to love, forgiveness, tolerance, joy ecc…just today, i opened the quran in random, each time a different page, yet all convey the same message : threats, intolerance, and curses…

Side note:
i remembered something by reading the quran again today : allah orders a wife to marry and have sex in order to be able to go back to her previous husband …this is AGAINST the morals of the Biblical God…AGAISNT the sanctity of marriage and sex between couples…add to the list of the opposite morality.

They cannot prove anything if we are not listening.

we are bro we are…are billions not listening?

I said I am Christian because I am.

sure bro sure. A Christian who finds it silly to profess Jesus is his Lord is not a Christian…

This is the Antichrist, he who denies the Father and the Son.
2:23 Whoever denies the Son, the same doesn’t have the Father.
He who confesses the Son has the Father also.

 

[cathgal]

inJESUS:

the list name is a part of a longer response…maybe the reply came late for some reason.

…or maybe you just a slow typer

 

[pro_universal]

Cyber Knight

Why is it hard just to admit it that they do it base on their book? Why is it hard for you to understand?

It’s impossible to admit because I have actually read their book. If you do the same, you’ll also find it hard to justify your opinions.

It also means that we are the Church Militant and that we are supposed to defend it when it is attacked, contested, denied, betrayed and persecuted through the ages and we should expose those teachings that want to destroy ours!

Have a little more faith in your Church. Muslims are no threat to us, but ignorance and intolerance certainly are threats. And they come from within.

injesus,

tv, radio, media, internet, conferences…if it is indeed public, why on earth are there billions of people who consider mohammad and his teachings violent?

They don’t. Like I said, if you ask any Muslim, they will tell you what Muslima is saying. I have no idea how you arrived at the conclusion that most Muslims think the Koran commands them to kill.

we are bro we are…are billions not listening?

Well, what I’ve seen here is a Muslim coming to this board and explaining her religion, and you denying that she actually represents her own faith. That’s not listening.

sure bro sure. A Christian who finds it silly to profess Jesus is his Lord is not a Christian…

What’s silly is judging the truth of a post on what I claim my faith to be. Claims are easy to make; it’s what you do that makes them true or false.

 

[inJESUS]

cathgal:

…or maybe you just a slow typer

correct

 

[cathgal]

pro_universal:

Now that this has been reduced to a debate about polygamy…seriously, is that worth creating strife over? Jews, Hindus, and Buddhists all practice different sexual and marital norms than we do, but I don’t see anyone picking on them for the time being. Respect and understanding will get us all much further towards the truth than searching for these kinds of differences to argue about.

So what if it’s about polygamy now, even though we didn’t bring it up. Didn’t Muslim claim theirs is a true religion…continuing from the OT? So why they condone polygamy? Muslim claim it so defend it! This is searching for truth. But they can’t defend this one. Mohammed loved women too much to be happy with one. Guess that’s why he had to say Jesus is only a prophet, otherwise, he had to answer to God.

 

[inJESUS]

injesus,

They don’t. Like I said, if you ask any Muslim, they will tell you what Muslima is saying. I have no idea how you arrived at the conclusion that most Muslims think the Koran commands them to kill.

i did not say all…i said many and many means millions…how did i come to this conclusion? just make a list of the muslim terrorist organization to know. And why “they dont” ?? is it really that hard to prove islam is a religion of peace?

Well, what I’ve seen here is a Muslim coming to this board and explaining her religion, and you denying that she actually represents her own faith. That’s not listening.

i refuted as you clearly see…i acknoledge her sincere feelings but they are hers, not the qurans…so for the last time, pleasedo not repeat this comment.

What’s silly is judging the truth of a post on what I claim my faith to be. Claims are easy to make; it’s what you do that makes them true or false.

still beating round the bush…bro, dont say your faith statement…we all know it…but lying to prove islam proves how hopeless someone is to the point of claiming himself a kafir.

 

[inJESUS]

cathgal:

So what if it’s about polygamy now, even though we didn’t bring it up. Didn’t Muslim claim theirs is a true religion…continuing from the OT? So why they condone polygamy? Muslim claim it so defend it! This is searching for truth. But they can’t defend this one. Mohammed loved women too much to be happy with one. Guess that’s why he had to say Jesus is only a prophet, otherwise, he had to answer to God.

not only this, he promised them houri in paradise

He satisfied his pleasues,and those of his followers + houri in heaven …mohammad had indeed to answer to God…too much…

 

[pro_universal]

just make a list of the muslim terrorist organization to know. And why “they dont” ?? is it really that hard to prove islam is a religion of peace?

No, it’s not. Muslima posted religious interpretations for you, and I linked you to a site also. You simply do not accept the proof offered. There’s not much I can do for you if you assume that only violence represents the religion, and that none of the statements by major muslim figures are true.

.i acknoledge her sincere feelings but they are hers, not the qurans…so for the last time, pleasedo not repeat this comment.

She posted the correct (according to the majority of Muslims) interpretation of the Koran. You are taking pieces out of context and making up your own religious interpretation with it. That’s fine, but you can’t accuse Muslims of teaching it, since they clearly do not see the same meaning in the Koran that you do. (This is something protestants are notorious for…take a verse from the Holy Bible, and say “Look, your Church is UNBIBLICAL!”…it should be plain to you that interpretations can be disputed.)

still beating round the bush…bro, dont say your faith statement…we all know it…but lying to prove islam proves how hopeless someone is to the point of claiming himself a kafir.

If the best you can do is call me a liar, then I think my points speak for themselves. Instead of worrying about whether or not I lie when I say I am Catholic, you should spend more time thinking over the substance of what I say.

 

[inJESUS]

No, it’s not. Muslima posted religious interpretations for you, and I linked you to a site also. You simply do not accept the proof offered. There’s not much I can do for you if you assume that only violence represents the religion, and that none of the statements by major muslim figures are true.

what am saying is this : if islam does not condone violence, then why on earth millions of muslims believe it’s otherwise? a plain evidence that the quran’s teachings on peace are not very clear…it is very tiring repeating the same idea for you when you give irrelevant answers.

She posted the correct (according to the majority of Muslims) interpretation of the Koran. You are taking pieces out of context and making up your own religious interpretation with it. That’s fine, but you can’t accuse Muslims of teaching it, since they clearly do not see the same meaning in the Koran that you do. (This is something protestants are notorious for…take a verse from the Holy Bible, and say “Look, your Church is UNBIBLICAL!”…it should be plain to you that interpretations can be disputed.)

who are you fooling? only yourself…when the quran calls me UNJUST, BLASPHEMER, PERVERTED WHO WILL BURN IN HELL, i dont think it needs much intelligence to understand it…UNJUST, BLSPHEMER, PERVERTED WHO WILL BURN IN HELL DOES NOT mean believers, just, on the straight path who will go to paradise…i really wonder, does it need too much intelligence here or should i doubt your beating about the bush endlessly and never hitting the target?

If the best you can do is call me a liar, then I think my points speak for themselves. Instead of worrying about whether or not I lie when I say I am Catholic, you should spend more time thinking over the substance of what I say.

enough on this…what you say ? you said nothing so far…you refuted nothing…you keep beating round the bush …no Christian on this forum has the problem of professing their faith, so just save me your opinion on this, i just dont care anymore sorry, i got my response long time ago.