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I would just like to say that people shouldnt judge a religion just on the actions of a few people. I myself am Catholic but i have plenty of family members who are Muslim. They are just as kind, tolerant, compassionate, and trustworthy as any Jew or Christian i know. The mere fact is this… The muslim world in general (arabia, north africa, central asia, and southeast asia) have lost all sight of there religion. For they preach hatred and follow extremists… partly because so many of them have yet to get over the colonial period of the west but that is no excuse… And because of this extremism the more moderate (which is the majority of muslims) muslims dont get heard.

Im just saying dont judge a people on their religion just because the actions of a few. I say that also because if you do that then people can easily do that about christianity… Since Christianity has done many, many horrible thinks in the past… and since most modern christian societies are deep rooted in drugs, alcohol, and sex, which go against God and his teachings… But all christians shouldnt be judged and labeled as bad just because of past christians actions, or because of actions that alot of christians do today. I personally love all religions… from christianty to islam, even to Sikhism and Hinduism. We should just try to be more open and loving as Jesus would want us to be, instead of saying mean or hateful things. Why should we start acting like the extremists by saying such horrible things about anothers religion??

If you do that then you are no different then the extremist muslim in that context, of preaching ignorance and mistrust of other peoples faiths.
 
Hi Gambinosyn -

I can certainly understand your feelings since you say you have many relatives who are Muslim and are very good, kind, caring people. Be assured Christians do know that. I can only speak for myself on this forum, but I sense that I am speaking for others when I say the following things:
  1. I feel very frustrated that all this violence is happening and we don’t seem to be hearing any of the “good, kind, caring Muslims” speaking out against this. Now I realize that perhaps there are many speaking out against it and the media is not picking up on it, but if the violent Muslims are in the minority, cannot the majority get the attention of the media?
  2. I feel very frustrated that there seem to be Muslim people coming onto the Catholic Forum trying to stir up trouble by acting as if they had serious questions and then when sincere Christians try to answer them, laugh and try to insult us and make us look like fools. I’m starting to get this funny feeling that they are here to highjack this website.
 
Why are there suddenly many new people coming into this forum, all saying as christian, all saying basically the same, all saying not to judge and tell islam is not violent, some say have been working with muslims, some say have been having muslims relatives etc. Either they are muslim undercover lol or truelly just dont know islamic teaching. Im not here to judge. Its solely my opinion. 🙂
 
I can certianly understand where you are coming from. Me and my other family members are also very frustrated withe th fact that good muslims arent standing up for what they believe… But you have to remember this:

The vast majority of muslim countries are not democracies and the vast majority of muslim countries do not have any of the rights that we in the west have… Even if a moderate muslim wanted to speak out in most of those countries it is not possible… I myself have been to Saudi Arabia before and let me tell you no one says anything against the radical clerics there… The government has its own religious police that arrest anyone and put them in prison and beat them for saying anything aginst Wahabism (extremist islam) or the government… These types of governments like Saudi Arabia exist all over the muslim world…

Iran is controled my hardline clerics and the military… Syria is controlled by a dictatorship, egypt is being ruled by a guy whos ruled the country for over 30 years claiming to be democratic… Kuwait, Qatar, and Pakistan are controlled by Kings or dictatorships, and most african muslim countries are controlled by warlords who kill and persecute other religions…So its not just the fact that they wont stand up… In most cases the moderate muslims are terrified to stand up and try to change it. Because if they try radical terrorists will try and kill them and there families, and the govenrnment itself might kill them. This has been shown in Iran… When thousands of young iranians who want to be like the west and have moderate Islam took to the streets, the government attacked them physically beating the people.

Most western people tend to forget that the whole world is not a democracy, and there is no such thing as free speech in the vast majority of the world. All im saying is that most muslims are probably to scared to stand up for fear of lethal retalliation. All you have to do is listen to horror stories from Saddum Husseins, and the Saudi Arabian regimes to get that picture.

But i also do unstand that there are some muslims coming on here who are being mean… But arent most of the christians on the board also being hostile to them??? Ive seen plenty of posts mocking Islam as a religion, mocking verses from the quran, and even mocking muslims themselves… That still doesnt condone what the muslims are doing, but if we do it to them, its only natural they will do it back. I just wish people could take more time to understand each other and build a better dialogues with each other like Pope John Paul II preached… Cause until we can come together as one and just talk we will never have any form of true peace
 
And also personally… even though i am christian i do not believe there is a single faith including christianity that truly is a loving, compassionate faith… for every religion preaches everyone else goes to hell, and for every religion there are tons of people are just hostile towards all who dont believe what they believe… Thats just my opinion.
 
I enjoy myself among the muslims right at moment.Waiting in my lifetime, to see these people, little by little try to eradicate other faiths fm their land. :). Easy for you to speak about peace which you live in a secular country at the end and pretend you also know what we feel to live as dhimis. Just talking about peace is cheap afterall… 🙂
 
What are you a muslim?? If so he never said anything offensive to either side… the mere fact that you would take it as offensive is retarded to me. Cause by your messages like that you just confirm what others say about muslims… Wouldnt you want to change that? Or are you content living in your little world? And i personally like the vast majority of muslims, so this isnt meant to offend you either.
 
If Islam is a religion of peace, then the message should have been clearer in the quran…and you are wrong about Christianity…Hell has nothing to do with earth, it is AFTER you die. Jesus is the symbol of Peace; he is the King of Peace; Dont you think that as a Christian ( thats what you say), you should already know this?
God bless…
 
Of course Islam is a religion of peace just like christianity. The problem is that most of the Islamic countries know are developing or under developed countries, so this gave a chance to the enemies of islam, (those who consider it as their enemy for political and economical reasons) to show and demonstrate a very bad image about it. Most Moslems in such countries can not have the opportunity to defend their relegion because they are falling under the rule of corrupt or dictatoric rulers who have personal interests with the enemies of Islam.

The verses of Quran about war does not mean that Islam is a religion of terrorism. Islam is a religion that tackles all aspects of life and soceity and it gives guidance to all aspects that should be found in the nation, one of these aspects of course is war and defense, to simplify this matter, I will ask a question: Is it rightful or not to any country in the world to have a ministry of defense, to have soldiers, weapons and to have some rules and legalizations that organizes the war problems? So, takling the war and battles issues in Islam is a sort of organizing of one of the aspects of the Islamic community.
 
I wouldn’t say it’s a “few people”, over 80% of Saudi Arabian’s have a very favorable view of Osama Bin Laden. The Al Qaida network, and other Islamic terrorist organizations number in the tens of thousands. So to say that Islamic extremism is limited to a “few” people is a little misleading in my opinion. The problem is very widespread, and all but accepted or at least it doesn’t cause outrage amongst 90% of Muslim’s worldwide.
 
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Mike_D30:
I wouldn’t say it’s a “few people”, over 80% of Saudi Arabian’s have a very favorable view of Osama Bin Laden. .
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Could you share the source of this rather astounding statistic?
 
Guar Fan:
Could you share the source of this rather astounding statistic?
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cnn.com/2004/WORLD/meast/06/08/poll.binladen/

Here’s one story this says half of all Saudi’s have a very favorable view of Osama. I’ve seen polls where upt to 80% were said to have favorable views of him though.

harpers.org/OsamaBinLaden.html

This is another that states :

“A Saudi Arabian poll revealed that 95 percent of educated Saudis between the ages of 25 and 41 support Osama bin Laden”

You can do your own research there’s plenty out there, that back me up, but my point still stands it can hardly be called a “few”, that’s really painting a much rosier picture of the situation, and frankly not in line with reality.
 
we can flood this thread with verses about love and peace from the Bible…lets see where in the quran mohammad asked people to love your ennemies , to bless them, to turn your right cheek…instead of kill them wherever you find them, it is your obligation to fight, you will be rewarded if you kill for allah. Islam is the OPPOSITE of Christianity…mohammads teachings are the OPPOSITE of Jesus hence ANTI…Jesus as well came in a war period, yet did not massacre like mohammad did…it is absolutly no excuse…
 
“Jesus as well came in a war period, yet did not massacre like mohammad did…it is absolutly no excuse…”

I dont think christians should even use things like that to justify there cause… Since tons of prophets before Jesus comitted atrocities that are far more worse then anything that the muslims ever did. And they all did it with god perimission… God told the Jews to slaughter everyone in cities in certian parts (men, women, and children)… So if you are going to use that against Muhammed and Islam then you yourself must reject every prophet before Jesus as well…

But if you did that then you are rejecting jesus’ message that he has come to fulfil the words of the prophets before him. But the prophets followed by christianity and Islam are all responsible for horendous things… All of which according to scripture was authorized and supported by God. Therefor neither of your religions are peaceful then… But thats your problem. And in my experiences… I have found more christians to be hateful, igornant, and non-tolerant of other religions then i ever have of Muslims.
 
moses8472 said:
“Jesus as well came in a war period, yet did not massacre like mohammad did…it is absolutly no excuse…”

I dont think christians should even use things like that to justify there cause… Since tons of prophets before Jesus comitted atrocities that are far more worse then anything that the muslims ever did. And they all did it with god perimission… God told the Jews to slaughter everyone in cities in certian parts (men, women, and children)… So if you are going to use that against Muhammed and Islam then you yourself must reject every prophet before Jesus as well…

But if you did that then you are rejecting jesus’ message that he has come to fulfil the words of the prophets before him. But the prophets followed by christianity and Islam are all responsible for horendous things… All of which according to scripture was authorized and supported by God. Therefor neither of your religions are peaceful then… But thats your problem. And in my experiences… I have found more christians to be hateful, igornant, and non-tolerant of other religions then i ever have of Muslims.
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STRAWMAN**

The point is Mohamed came AFTER Jesus gave his message of love to the world. Jesus was quite clear in how he wnated us to behave, and it clearly wasn’t what Mohamed taught which is essentially a manual for a call to battle.
 
And the point is Jesus came after Moses had given his message of love for the world from God… So does that mean that Jesus is a false prophet since he came after moses and many other prophets who professed gods love for the world??? LOL - You need to really in depth study Islamic History my friend… You would know that he fought battles with the Pagan Tribes of Arabia who attacked him and the muslims… Muhammed and his followers were not the agressors for Allah states he does not love the aggressors… The pagans sent armies and attacked him much like the jews of old… And when muhammed marched on Makkah not even a single person was harmed for he sat outside of the city and they surrendered to him without Battle… You christians are taught some evil things and some wrong things by some really bad people, lol
 
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Ibrahim:
And the point is Jesus came after Moses had given his message of love for the world from God… So does that mean that Jesus is a false prophet since he came after moses and many other prophets who professed gods love for the world??? LOL
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In spite of your condescending LOL, you are still wrong. Jesus was the son of God who gave mankind a New Covenant. Mohamed was false because he came, denied the divinity of Christ, and spread teachings in complete contradiction to what Jesus taught.
 
Considerding i proved your argument wrong and all you can say is that jesus is the son of god, it just proves my argument that you dont know what you are talking about, lol
 
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