Islam

[Muslima]

inJESUS:

Abu Musa’ reported that Allah’s Messenger (may peace be upon him) said: When it will be the Day of Resurrection Allah would deliver to every Muslim a Jew or a Christian and say: That is your RESCUE from Hell-Fire. (Sahih Muslim, Book 037, Number 6665)

Abu Burda reported on the authority of his father that Allah’s Apostle (may peace be upon him) said: No Muslim would die but Allah would admit IN HIS STEAD a Jew or a Christian in Hell-Fire. 'Umar b. Abd al-'Aziz took an oath: By One besides Whom there is no god but He, thrice that his father had narrated that to him from Allah’s Messenger (may peace be upon him). (Sahih Muslim, Book 037, Number 6666)

Abu Burda reported Allah’s Messenger (may peace be upon him) as saying: There would come people amongst the Muslims on the Day of Resurrection with AS HEAVY SINS AS A MOUNTAIN, and Allah would FORGIVE THEM and He would PLACE IN THEIR STEAD the Jews and the Christians. (As far as I think), Abu Raub said: I do not know as to who is in doubt. Abu Burda said: I narrated it to 'Umar b. 'Abd al-'Aziz, whereupon he said: Was it your father who narrated it to you from Allah’s Apostle (may peace be upon him)? I said: Yes. (Sahih Muslim, Book 037, Number 6668)

and we should respect islam, dear Muslima?

Dear Brother In Jesus
Peace Be Upon You

Of course , It is something that needs no argument here that the beleivers of any religion believe that they are the only group that have right and that the followers of other religions are either astray or have something missing in his/ her religion. I beleive that you also as a catholic beleive that all beleivers of other religions either Moslems, Jews, Protstants, Buddists, etc… will not get salvation

But, we are not here to argue about this because we are not debating about which religion is the true word of LORD and which is not. We are here in a trial to give a space to mutual understanding of the other and in a trial to mutually respect each others religion so please dear let everyone beleives with what he /she beleives in.

By the way, the Quran says that not all christians will be in hell as you think, it says that only prejudiced christians
God Almighty said in Quran
5:82-87: " You will find that the nearest in affection to Moslem beleivers are those who say: “We are Christians” . That is because there are priests and monks among them; and because they are free from pride.When they listen to that which was revealed to the Apostle, you will see their eyes fill with tears as they recognize the truth. They say: K Lord, we beleive,count us among your witnesses. Why should we not beleive in Allah and in the truth that has come down to us? Why should we not hope for admission among the righteous?" And for their words Allah has rewarded them with gardens watered by running streams, where they shall dwell for ever. Such is the recompense of the righteous.

God Almighty also said:
3:55 The unbeleivers plotted, and Allah plotted. Allah is the supreme Plotter. He said: " Jesus, I am about to cause you to die and lift you up to Me. I shall take you away from the unbelievers and exalt your followers above them till the Day of Resurrection."
Peace be upon you
Muslema

 

[Myangel]

moses8472:

All im trying to say is that your faith is not any better then any other faith in this world. Im sick and tired of listening to christians who think they come from this great, super peaceful loving religion when the religion the follow has done horrible, evil things… You want to know the answer i get from christians most of the time…" Those people werent true christians!" What is that! Of course they were christians… TEXT DELETED You christians are not any better then any other people in the world… Your just as bad.

And i will say that the religion that Jesus and his apostles preached was a religion of peace… Sad to say though that that form of christianity died a very long time ago… it died somewhere around the deaths of the apostles. The christian religion that is followed after them was not the religion preached by jesus, it was a religion preached by people who made all of the doctrines… and therefor it became a religion of ignorance in many cases just like the rest.

You still have not answered InJesus’ question, where in the NT Bible does it say its OK to kill??? Yes Catholics have acknowledged their sins in the past, have apologised for them on numerous occasions. We are not perfect and we do sin, but our bible DOES NOT TELL US TO KILL NON BELIEVERS. The Quran does.

 

[ChristsSoldier]

I have asked the same questions over and over in this thread. Would you please answer them? I am not trying to engage in debate, I generally want to know.
Peace!
CS

 

[freesoulhope]

What is it that you want to know?

 

[inJESUS]

Dear In Jesus,
Peace be upon you,
You are tackling a very good point that I was going to talk about but later, but as long as you have asked, let me explain.
Islam is cosidered the religion of wasat as you said which is translated to moderate / middle / mid point. As Islam is considered the middle of many extremes. Yes we consider Islam is in a mid way between Christians and Jews, but not because they are wrong , as **we do beleive in all scripture books **

as I told before, The Islamic vision sees that both christianity and Jewish are two different religion opposing to each other.

Hello Muslima, you said you believe in all scripture books…so you believe Jesus’ teachings as well…what are Jesus’ teachings, Muslima? Christianity and Judaism are not really opposed to each other…Christianity is the fulfillment of Judaism.

Jews are totally indulged in materialism and worldly benefit, even in their dealing with their religious rituals, they do it from the point of view of benefit (what is in it for me?), Christianity is on the contrary, as christians are very spiritual, their ultimate is to forsake the world with its evil, and to abandon all worldly pleasures for spiritual happiness. So, from this point of view we consider that Islam is in a mid way between both religions. As Islam asks people to make equilibrium between both material and spiritual things.

am sorry but this is not the quran’s view…you knew that Christianity is spiritual because you read THE BIBLE, not the quran- so your interpretation is based on biblical teachings; if you were to know what Christianity is from the quran you wouldnt be able to coz :
1- mohammad did not dare give Jesus’ teachings which contradict his teachings
2- you’d have learnt a wrong concept of what Christians believe in coz obviously, unlike what mohammad said, we do NOT believe in 3 gods, and wedo NOT consider Mary god- obviously, mohammad did not know what true Christians believe in- only the heretics of his time.
Now, if a muslim cant find Jesus’ teachings or the Christian belief in quran, what is he supposed to do to know what Jesus taught? the answer is in the quran : refer to the people of the book. In your opinion, people of the book are Christians and jews; this is wrong- Christians are not people of the book…Nasara are people of the book…did you ever wonder why mohammad never used the word masihiyyin (christians) but always nasara ( nazaritic)? to know why, i’ll give you a link at the end of this post.
So how are you supposed to refer to our books if you consider them corrupt? yet we all know that mohammad affirmed the scriptures in his hands and we all know as well that we have the same bible that was at mohammads time and even way before; what kind of trick is this?why would allah allow the corruption of Jesus’ words, the Spirit of allah and the word of allah, and not the quran? is allah a discriminator? or isnt He omnipotent?

I hope you can answer these questions, and that of Jesus’ teachings and here is a book for you, online, free , in arabic; it will make you understand who this nation in the middle is that mohammad came to confirm…it will clearly tell you what the origin of quran is…read it very carefully.and i am ready to share any of its ideas.

muhammadanism.com/haddad/nazaritic_mission/quran_nazaritic_mission_1.pdf

muhammadanism.com/haddad/nazaritic_mission/quran_nazaritic_mission_2.pdf

 

[inJESUS]

Dear Brothers and Sisters,

Peace be Upon You,

Many of you ask about Dhimma and Jizzia. Dhimma is not submission to Moslems or losing any pride.

would you please quote to us the aya that talks about this topic in arabic and its “correct” translation? thx

 

[inJESUS]

Dear Brother In Jesus
Peace Be Upon You

Of course , It is something that needs no argument here that the beleivers of any religion believe that they are the only group that have right and that the followers of other religions are either astray or have something missing in his/ her religion. I beleive that you also as a catholic beleive that all beleivers of other religions either Moslems, Jews, Protstants, Buddists, etc… will not get salvation

wrong…we know that if we believe in Jesus and follow his teachings, we are saved; but we do not condemn others to hell…we leave it to God’s wisdom and grace.

By the way, the Quran says that not all christians will be in hell as you think, it says that only prejudiced christians
God Almighty said in Quran
5:82-87: " You will find that the nearest in affection to Moslem beleivers are those who say: “We are Christians” . That is because there are priests and monks among them; and because they are free from pride.When they listen to that which was revealed to the Apostle, you will see their eyes fill with tears as they recognize the truth. They say: K Lord, we beleive,count us among your witnesses. Why should we not beleive in Allah and in the truth that has come down to us? Why should we not hope for admission among the righteous?" And for their words Allah has rewarded them with gardens watered by running streams, where they shall dwell for ever. Such is the recompense of the righteous.

the quran is talking about the NASARA that believe in mohammad; NOT ABOUT CHRISTIANS.

THE quran says this about Christians ( although, mistakingly, using the term nasara):

"And the Jews say: Uzair is the son of Allah; and the Christians say: The Messiah is the son of Allah; these are the words of their mouths; they imitate the saying of those who disbelieved before; may Allah destroy them; how they are perverted!"

Certainly they disbelieve who say: Surely Allah, He is the Messiah, son of Marium [Mary - “Jesus is the messiah”]; and the Messiah said: O Children of Israel! serve Allah, my Lord and your Lord. Surely whoever associates (others) with Allah, then Allah has forbidden to him the garden, and his abode is the fire; and there shall be no helpers for the unjust

THESE ARE THE CHRISTIANS WHO WILL GO TO HELL DEAR MUSLIMA.

MOHAMMAD MADE THE MISTAKE OF CALLING ALL CHRISTIANS BY “NASARA”…CHRISTIANS ARE NOT THE NASARA; THE NASARA IS THE NATION IN THE MIDDLE THAT MOHAMMAD CAME TO CONFIRM, but the nasara, historically are a bunch of heretics spread in Mecca and Hijaz. Muslims as well cannot differenciate between the 2, thinking that nasara are true Christians…mohammad came to confirm the heresies, not Christianity…far from it, mohammad is an anti-Christ when you realize that his teachings are Jesus’ opposite…

And i have a question that no muslim so far answered: since when does God give money and women as priviledges to a prophet? if allah does this, why could satan give more, dear Muslima?

God Almighty also said:
3:55 The unbeleivers plotted, and Allah plotted. Allah is the supreme Plotter. He said: " Jesus, I am about to cause you to die and lift you up to Me. I shall take you away from the unbelievers and exalt your followers above them till the Day of Resurrection."
Peace be upon you
Muslema

do you accept that God is a plotter and schemere??? what on earth is this deity allah?? and would you tell me what is your interpretation of this verse? thx

 

[Muslima]

ChristsSoldier:

Muslima,

I am desperate to hear that a respected leader of you faith renounce the course this fight has placed us in.

I have been all over the middle east, I am certain you know of the mutual respect your common people and the common people of my good land share.

Walking the streets of ‘anywhere’ in the middle east, I was met with hospitality, love, and peace that I can honestly say I may not find in USA. We are both of good people, this is not what is in question…

The dialogue/question, for me, is what are the true intentions of your faith my Brother? Represent that here! This is the question.

Do not simply say it is peace, Please prove this to me.
I am heartfully sorry, but the words of one following Islam are the words of one man who’s leaders in faith do not represent or announce this belief to me.

IHowever, I hear and see your leaders and pray against the temptation to judge.

Thank you for you honest and heart felt attempt to dialogue.
Peace,
CS

Dear Brother Christian Soldier,
Peace be upon you from your sister Muslema,
I fully appreciate your words and your willingness to dialogue. You are surely right that there are many leaders in the Islam world who are against the west, but these antagonism is not there out of religious beliefs, again I say its politics that makes the freind of today, the enemy of tomorrow, don’t forget that Bin Laden and his fellowers that we all condemn are totally american made. America made them since 20years to fight the Communist Russia at that time. America was number one supporter for Afghanistan in their war against Soviet Union at that time.
But as you see this is all political interests, you said yourself that you have met Moslems and was welcomed by hospitality, love and peace, because these are the comandments of Islam

God Almighty said in Quran:
49:10/11: " Make peace among your brothers and fear Allah, so that you may be shown mercy. Believers, let no man mock another man, who m ay be perhaps be better than himself. Let no woman mock another woman, who perhaps may be better than herself. Do not defame one another, nor call one another by foul nicknames."

I have asked the same questions over and over in this thread. Would you please answer them? I am not trying to engage in debate, I generally want to know.
Peace!
CS

Dear Brother,
I highly respect your willingness to know, I know it seems confusing to many christians that Islam has many verses about war, you say that you generally want to know, ok, let’s agree on some basic matters:
1.As a catholic you beleive that catholic is the right word of God that should be there to guide people.
2. When you guide people to christianity you do this through discussion, convincing others, etc.
3. Suppose that in any age, (today, after 100 years…) any time, an evil power has raised and became dominating the world , may be this power beleives in totally wrong and blasphemous thoughts, may be this power advocates for satanism, communism, or any other idea that you beleive that it is not the word of God.
4. Suppose that this power wanted to destroy christianity and extract it from universe, suppose that all the christians in the world try to convince the advocates of this power that christianity is the true world of Allah, but they do not listen What will you do then?
5. You will enter in a struggle with this power, and will fight till the Words of God become the upper words.

This idea is very near to the concept of war in Islam, as Moslems beleive they carry the word of Allah, they do not fight to subdue people to Islam, they fight when they feel that another corrupting power is threatening the Supremecy of the Word of Allah. So, when Moslems say that Jihad or fighting is an obligation on every Moslem, we here do not mean that Moslems carry their weapons and go to fight peaceful people, but Moslem are obligated to fight those who threat the Word of Allah, or who attack them as a nation.
I can not get why you see this strange, any nation in this world has an army, it makes it obligatory on its citizens to go to the army in war time, and it goes into war if someone attacks its security, why this is not considered terrorism.
The verses talking about war in Quran covers all aspects of battlefield better than any ministery of Defense in this entire world. It acknowledges the rights of civilians, it states clearly the rights of POW (prisoners of war), it states clearly that when you are fighting for a justice case and then your enemy surrenders, you should stop fighting at once. Any nation throughout its history is likely to face time s of war, the verses of war and jihad tackles what should be done at these times. This does not mean that Islam is a religion that advocates for war and blood sheding.
Peace be upon you
Muslima

 

[inJESUS]

God Almighty said in Quran:
49:10/11: " Make peace among your brothers and fear Allah, so that you may be shown mercy. Believers, let no man mock another man, who m ay be perhaps be better than himself. Let no woman mock another woman, who perhaps may be better than herself. Do not defame one another, nor call one another by foul nicknames."

sorry for my intrusion… is he adressing non-believers as well? or just “believers”…it’s late here and am lazy right now…tomorrow God willing i’ll show different verses about treatment of non-believers.

Dear Brother,
I highly respect your willingness to know, I know it seems confusing to many christians that Islam has many verses about war, you say that you generally want to know, ok, let’s agree on some basic matters:
1.As a catholic you beleive that catholic is the right word of God that should be there to guide people.
2. When you guide people to christianity you do this through discussion, convincing others, etc.
3. Suppose that in any age, (today, after 100 years…) any time, an evil power has raised and became dominating the world , may be this power beleives in totally wrong and blasphemous thoughts, may be this power advocates for satanism, communism, or any other idea that you beleive that it is not the word of God.
4. Suppose that this power wanted to destroy christianity and extract it from universe, suppose that all the christians in the world try to convince the advocates of this power that christianity is the true world of Allah, but they do not listen What will you do then?
5. You will enter in a struggle with this power, and will fight till the Words of God become the upper words.

so you mean that mohammad only fought in defense? i’ll show later otherwise.

This idea is very near to the concept of war in Islam, as Moslems beleive they carry the word of Allah, they do not fight to subdue people to Islam, they fight when they feel that another corrupting power is threatening the Supremecy of the Word of Allah. So, when Moslems say that Jihad or fighting is an obligation on every Moslem, we here do not mean that Moslems carry their weapons and go to fight peaceful people, but Moslem are obligated to fight those who threat the Word of Allah, or who attack them as a nation.

and what is exactly a threat? is cartoon a threat for example? or if non-believers refuse to submit to sharia, is it a threat?
Jesus came in time of war as well, why didnt he make wars? why didnt his disciples kill as well?

 

[Muslima]

ChristsSoldier:

Muslima,

I am desperate to hear that a respected leader of you faith renounce the course this fight has placed us in.

I have been all over the middle east, I am certain you know of the mutual respect your common people and the common people of my good land share.

Walking the streets of ‘anywhere’ in the middle east, I was met with hospitality, love, and peace that I can honestly say I may not find in USA. We are both of good people, this is not what is in question…

The dialogue/question, for me, is what are the true intentions of your faith my Brother? Represent that here! This is the question.

Do not simply say it is peace, Please prove this to me.
I am heartfully sorry, but the words of one following Islam are the words of one man who’s leaders in faith do not represent or announce this belief to me.

IHowever, I hear and see your leaders and pray against the temptation to judge.

Thank you for you honest and heart felt attempt to dialogue.
Peace,
CS

Dear Brother Christian Soldier,
Peace be upon you from your sister Muslema,
I fully appreciate your words and your willingness to dialogue. You are surely right that there are many leaders in the Islam world who are against the west, but these antagonism is not there out of religious beliefs, again I say its politics that makes the freind of today, the enemy of tomorrow, don’t forget that Bin Laden and his fellowers that we all condemn are totally american made. America made them since 20years to fight the Communist Russia at that time. America was number one supporter for Afghanistan in their war against Soviet Union at that time.
But as you see this is all political interests, you said yourself that you have met Moslems and was welcomed by hospitality, love and peace, because these are the comandments of Islam

God Almighty said in Quran:
49:10/11: " Make peace among your brothers and fear Allah, so that you may be shown mercy. Believers, let no man mock another man, who m ay be perhaps be better than himself. Let no woman mock another woman, who perhaps may be better than herself. Do not defame one another, nor call one another by foul nicknames."

I have asked the same questions over and over in this thread. Would you please answer them? I am not trying to engage in debate, I generally want to know.
Peace!
CS

Dear Brother,
I highly respect your willingness to know, I know it seems confusing to many christians that Islam has many verses about war, you say that you generally want to know, ok, let’s agree on some basic matters:
1.As a catholic you beleive that catholic is the right word of God that should be there to guide people.
2. When you guide people to christianity you do this through discussion, convincing others, etc.
3. Suppose that in any age, (today, after 100 years…) any time, an evil power has raised and became dominating the world , may be this power beleives in totally wrong and blasphemous thoughts, may be this power advocates for satanism, communism, or any other idea that you beleive that it is not the word of God.
4. Suppose that this power wanted to destroy christianity and extract it from universe, suppose that all the christians in the world try to convince the advocates of this power that christianity is the true world of Allah, but they do not listen What will you do then?
5. You will enter in a struggle with this power, and will fight till the Words of God become the upper words.

This idea is very near to the concept of war in Islam, as Moslems beleive they carry the word of Allah, they do not fight to subdue people to Islam, they fight when they feel that another corrupting power is threatening the Supremecy of the Word of Allah. So, when Moslems say that Jihad or fighting is an obligation on every Moslem, we here do not mean that Moslems carry their weapons and go to fight peaceful people, but Moslem are obligated to fight those who threat the Word of Allah, or who attack them as a nation.
I can not get why you see this strange, any nation in this world has an army, it makes it obligatory on its citizens to go to the army in war time, and it goes into war if someone attacks its security, why this is not considered terrorism.
The verses talking about war in Quran covers all aspects of battlefield better than any ministery of Defense in this entire world. It acknowledges the rights of civilians, it states clearly the rights of POW (prisoners of war), it states clearly that when you are fighting for a justice case and then your enemy surrenders, you should stop fighting at once. Any nation throughout its history is likely to face time s of war, the verses of war and jihad tackles what should be done at these times. This does not mean that Islam is a religion that advocates for war and blood sheding.
Peace be upon you
Muslima

 

[inJESUS]

i’ll go to bed now, Muslima…i’ll answer your posts tomorrow God willing and i’m looking forward to your responses on the various posts i made previously…nighty and God bless all.

 

[Muslima]

inJESUS:

.

Hello Muslima, you said you believe in all scripture books…so you believe Jesus’ teachings as well…what are Jesus’ teachings, Muslima? Christianity and Judaism are not really opposed to each other…Christianity is the fulfillment of Judaism.

am sorry but this is not the quran’s view…you knew that Christianity is spiritual because you read THE BIBLE, not the quran- so your interpretation is based on biblical teachings; if you were to know what Christianity is from the quran you wouldnt be able to coz :
1- mohammad did not dare give Jesus’ teachings which contradict his teachings
2- you’d have learnt a wrong concept of what Christians believe in coz obviously, unlike what mohammad said, we do NOT believe in 3 gods, and wedo NOT consider Mary god- obviously, mohammad did not know what true Christians believe in- only the heretics of his time.
Now, if a muslim cant find Jesus’ teachings or the Christian belief in quran, what is he supposed to do to know what Jesus taught? the answer is in the quran : refer to the people of the book. In your opinion, people of the book are Christians and jews; this is wrong- Christians are not people of the book…Nasara are people of the book…did you ever wonder why mohammad never used the word masihiyyin (christians) but always nasara ( nazaritic)? to know why, i’ll give you a link at the end of this post.
So how are you supposed to refer to our books if you consider them corrupt? yet we all know that mohammad affirmed the scriptures in his hands and we all know as well that we have the same bible that was at mohammads time and even way before; what kind of trick is this?why would allah allow the corruption of Jesus’ words, the Spirit of allah and the word of allah, and not the quran? is allah a discriminator? or isnt He omnipotent?

I hope you can answer these questions, and that of Jesus’ teachings and here is a book for you, online, free , in arabic; it will make you understand who this nation in the middle is that mohammad came to confirm…it will clearly tell you what the origin of quran is…read it very carefully.and i am ready to share any of its ideas.

]

Dear Brother ,
Peace be upon you,
I see that most of the information you are gathering about Islam is coming from suspecious sources. What I mean by suspecious here is that you get your info about Islam from the islam haters or enemies writers, or those who misinterpretted Islam. So you are totally execused in your very prejudiced attitude.

1. I have known that christianity is a spiritual religion from Islam and from the right interpretations of Quran.
2. Prophet Muhammad May God’s blessings and peace be upon him told Muslims that all prophets came to advocate the same teachings which are: kindness, charity, good manners, these are the main frame of all religions, that is why we are asked to respect.
3. Quran did not say that you worship three Gods. It said that you consider God as a part of a trinity, and i am not here dear brother to discuss your beliefs and why we consider them false or not, because i am not here in a trial to prove which religion is the best.
4. Thank you for the book you have sent me the link to, its trully useful, but this theory about that Nasara are not masihien is just a theory by the writer of this book, who is a christian. The Quran used the word Nasara to refer to the followers of Jesus, and all those who carried his mesage in all ages and times. All scholars and interpretors dealt with the word Nasara as christians, it was mentioned in many verses in Quran that Nasara are all the followers of Jesus. When God mentioned anywhere christians, he refered to them by this word, when God talked anywhere about people of scripture he mentioned Jews and Nasara (christians). Till today, we still refer in our countries to christians as Nasara or Masihiien.
   Dear Brother ,
   I see that you are trying to enter in a sort of a debate about which religion is better, or the true word of Allah, i’ve mentioned before that i am not here to talk about aka’ed (beliefs) bec. every one is free to adopt what he sees right, i’m here to talk about respect to other people’s beliefs. So I do not know why u insist to tackle issues that concern belief.
   Muslima

 

[freesoulhope]

Do you believe in all three religions, or do you just respect all three? There can only be one. Respecting is different from believing.

 

[Muslima]

inJESUS:

would you please quote to us the aya that talks about this topic in arabic and its “correct” translation? thx

Dear brother,
Peace be upon you,
Iam glad that you ask about this verse because it is one of the most misinterpretted verses of the enemies of Islam. Its a verse that many haters of Islam use it as an evidence that Moslems want to subdue christians and jews.

God Almighty said:
9:29 : Fight against such of those who does not beleive neither in Allah nor the Last Day, who do not forbid what Allah and his apostle have forbidden, and do not embrace faith, of those unto whom the scriptures have been given, until they pay tribute out of hand and are utterly subdued."

Let me explain the interpretation of this. Tha aya clearly states that Moslems are not ordered to fight all scripture people (jews and christians), they are ordered to fight those among them who are corruptors. This is the meaning of who do not forbid what Allah has forbidden, it means that if Moslems live in a community that has a minority of non moslems and some of them were rebellious, this means commit sins against the Law of Allah (adultery, gayity, liquor drinking, killing, theft, etc…) then Moslems should fight them until they accept the rule of Islam by paying gizzia. I think this is the case in any society nowadays, if a minority in the society became against the law of this soceity, they will be jailed or paying fines or punished by any way. By the way if a Moslem corrupted in his soceity he would be punished in a more strict way.
Peace be upon you
Moslema

 

[Muslima]

freesoulhope:

Do you believe in all three religions, or do you just respect all three? There can only be one. Respecting is different from believing.

We beleive that the three religions are delivered from God to people to bless them. We beleive that the three religions came in a chain completing each other. We believe that Jesus will be back to earth before the end of the world to regain peace to earth, and that all Moslems living then should follow him. We fast on a day we call Ashouraa to thank God that he saved Moses and the Israilians on that day from the Pharoe.

May be we disagree with both religions in some thoughts , like the thought of trinity and some other thoughts related to the nature of Jesus and so but we do Acknowledge christianity and consider it a word of Allah, In spite of our disagreement with christians on the issues I mentioned we respect them and their beleifs.

Peace be upon you
Muslima

 

[inJESUS]

Dear Brother ,
Peace be upon you,
I see that most of the information you are gathering about Islam is coming from suspecious sources. What I mean by suspecious here is that you get your info about Islam from the islam haters or enemies writers, or those who misinterpretted Islam. So you are totally execused in your very prejudiced attitude.

Let me clarify any misconception; i know arabic; i read the quran and the hadith.

1. I have known that christianity is a spiritual religion from Islam and from the right interpretations of Quran.

show me, where does it say Christianity is a spiritual religion with people abandoning this world?

1. Prophet Muhammad May God’s blessings and peace be upon him told Muslims that all prophets came to advocate the same teachings which are: kindness, charity, good manners, these are the main frame of all religions, that is why we are asked to respect.

quran calls Jesus : THE MESSIAH…what are the EXACT teachings of this Messiah? about killing, polygamy, slavery, eye for eye, temporary marriage, divorce?

1. Quran did not say that you worship three Gods.

yes it did and you know it perfectly well…we already discussed these under a different thread…“do not say 3, desist, allah is one”…3 what, muslima?

It said that you consider God as a part of a trinity,

no…it says 3 gods and at some point it included Mary.

and i am not here dear brother to discuss your beliefs and why we consider them false or not, because i am not here in a trial to prove which religion is the best.

dear, you cannot discuss what we believe in coz the quran got it wrong.

1. Thank you for the book you have sent me the link to, its trully useful, but this theory about that Nasara are not masihien is just a theory by the writer of this book, who is a christian

no, its not his theory; it’s FROM THE BIBLE ITSELF…its a HISTORICAL FACT FROM 1ST CENTURY AC…

The Quran used the word Nasara to refer to the followers of Jesus, and all those who carried his mesage in all ages and times. All scholars and interpretors dealt with the word Nasara as christians, it was mentioned in many verses in Quran that Nasara are all the followers of Jesus. When God mentioned anywhere christians, he refered to them by this word, when God talked anywhere about people of scripture he mentioned Jews and Nasara (christians). Till today, we still refer in our countries to christians as Nasara or Masihiien.

my dear, yes nasara are followers of Jesus and Moses as well, but nasara are NOT the orthodox Christians; its a historical fact , a biblical fact, that nasara deviated from truth…unless you can refute history, the point still stands…the quran itself has contradictory statments about nasara- those who blasphemed and those who were on the straight path…who are those who blasphemed from the nasara? they are those who called Jesus Son of God; and who are the nasara on the right path? they are those who considered Jesus just like mohammad considered him…a VERY CLEAR distinction between 2 different division between nasara; but mohammad failed to differentiate between nasara and Christians…your response is a clear indication that you do not understand the quran perfectly. Read the book to understand.It’s a historical book.

 

[inJESUS]

We beleive that the three religions are delivered from God to people to bless them. We beleive that the three religions came in a chain completing each other.

how did mohammad complete Jesus’ message if he didnt even say what Jesus taught? which happens to be his opposite?

We believe that Jesus will be back to earth before the end of the world to regain peace to earth, and that all Moslems living then should follow him.

you believe that Jesus will come to confirm mohammad, to break the cross and kill the swine…you believe in the coming back of the anti-Christ, not Jesus.

May be we disagree with both religions in some thoughts , like the thought of trinity and some other thoughts related to the nature of Jesus and so but we do Acknowledge christianity and consider it a word of Allah, In spite of our disagreement with christians on the issues I mentioned we respect them and their beleifs.

my dear, mohammad himself did not respect us in his quran and hadith.

 

[inJESUS]

Dear brother,
Peace be upon you,
Iam glad that you ask about this verse because it is one of the most misinterpretted verses of the enemies of Islam. Its a verse that many haters of Islam use it as an evidence that Moslems want to subdue christians and jews.

God Almighty said:
9:29 : Fight against such of those who does not beleive neither in Allah nor the Last Day, who do not forbid what Allah and his apostle have forbidden, and do not embrace faith, of those unto whom the scriptures have been given, until they pay tribute out of hand and are utterly subdued."

Let me explain the interpretation of this. Tha aya clearly states that Moslems are not ordered to fight all scripture people (jews and christians), they are ordered to fight those among them who are corruptors. This is the meaning of who do not forbid what Allah has forbidden, it means that if Moslems live in a community that has a minority of non moslems and some of them were rebellious, this means commit sins against the Law of Allah (adultery, gayity, liquor drinking, killing, theft, etc…) then Moslems should fight them until they accept the rule of Islam by paying gizzia.

Fight against such of those who does not beleive neither in Allah nor the Last Day,

we believe in God, not the islamic allah.

who do not forbid what Allah and his apostle have forbidden,

we do not follow this .

and do not embrace faith,

we dont embrace islam.

of those unto whom the scriptures have been given, until they pay tribute out of hand and are utterly subdued."/

what is left? muslims must fight ALL Christians and jews and make them SUBDUED TO ISLAM. So either we live like slaves under sharia or ?

I think this is the case in any society nowadays, if a minority in the society became against the law of this soceity

agaisnt the law??? what law??? which society treats you like this if you don’t obey to its deity? ONLY ISLAM.

, they will be jailed or paying fines or punished by any way

YES, if you commit crimes agaisnt the law and humanity! if you kill, if you robb, if you rape, not if you dont believe in allah!! or if you drink alcohol ! or if you eat pig meat!!

in conclusion, muslims should fight all Christians and Jews ( coz obviously we apply nothing of what this verse talks about) untill we are all SUBDUED to muslim sharia.

THANK YOU…ALL SHOULD SEE WHAT ISLAM’S GOAL IS…SUBDUE OR…

 

[freesoulhope]

Christianity is the religion that god wanted for us, he tolerates any thing else for a time, in the hope that we will all be saved. What i want to know is, will the people of islam except jesus, when they find out that he is the son of god, and is god as part of the holy trinity?

 

[Reuben_J]

Muslima:

Dear Brothers and Sisters,

Peace be Upon You,

Many of you ask about Dhimma and Jizzia. Dhimma is not submission to Moslems or losing any pride. Islam is a religion that organized and tackled every point in life, one of these tackled issues is the concept of Ummah or nation. In an Islamic nation or country, of course there will be two main groups of people Moslems and Non Moslems. Both have rights in the soceity and also have duties. The Islam was the only religion to have an economical view before all the economists of the world. The economical resources of any nation comes for many sources one of these sources are taxes.So in the Islamic concept, Moslems pay Zakat and (Alms Tax) and Non Moslems pay Jizzia…

The ways in which the money in the Treasury house is spent are strictly difined in Quran…

The LORD will judge any Moslem who can pay the Zakat and did not pay it. Its part of our belief, it is paid on religious basis. But Non Moslems paid the Jizzia to be used for the same purposes but the differnce is that they are not paying it out of a religious belief, they pay it as patriots living in the same nations. In return to this, Non Moslems should have the same rights: …

The dhimma concept is an economical concept, it does not mean that non moslems are second degree patriots, it is a gurantee that they will get the same rights the Moslems will have as long as they do the same duties. If a non Moslem is poor or unable to pay the Jizzia, then he/ she pays no jizzia, he gets aid from Bait El Mal, I think this economical idea is almost applied in most countries today. All the people living in a country pays their taxes, contributes to the Government, in return the Government secures some services.
The translation of word dhimma is : custody, security, safeguard, guarantee, agreement

I beleive that if Moslems were blood sheders, they would not have let Non Moslems from the first place to live in their countries, or to build their churches, or any thing of the like, they would have simply killed or banished them from their countries during the years when Moslems were in power to do that since centuries ago.

Peace be upon you
Muslema

Peace to you sister Muslema.

In all fairness, I suppose your expalanation on Dhimma and Jizzia is more palatable to us Christians compare to how inJESUS made them to be.

But I think this doesn’t work in real life. First of all, remember you are talking about Islamic law. I discussed this issue sometimes back last year with a Muslim, who said that Islamic government, thus Islamic law, is the most ideal government/law. I asked him then and I can ask you now, ideal to whom? The non-Muslims were difinitely not consulted as to whether this law is ultimately ideal to them or not! And if you ask them, they difinitely will tell you that it is nowhere near to ideal to them!

Coming back to Dhimma and Jizzia. The principle of the fairness of this concept lies on the sincerity of the Muslims majority themselves. If they are truly good Muslims, like you implied, then the concept will be applied to the benifit of everybody - Muslims and non-Muslims alike in the country. But this will not work, and never it will be, because of another clause in your Quran that states that the kaffirs must be subjugated and humiliated.

Beside in real life situation, considering this will affect the economic life of the people, there is no way that Muslims will allow non-Muslims to be better than them if they can help it. Thus while the concept can sound nice as you explained it, the actual uasge of the tax money will never to be an advantage to non-Muslims. It would be Muslims first, and the spill-over for the non-Muslim!

I wish you are right for the sake of our Christian brothers and sisters living in Muslim countries. Good examples perhaps like Iran, Sudan, Pakistan, Arab Middle East countries and to lesser extent some Islamic countries in south and east Asia. As it is now, they are not doing very well, and no thanks to Islamic rules and laws. I know, I know. You will say those countries do not practice the correct Islamic government. If that’s true, it’s all the more to prove that Islamic government is but merely just good idea! If it is at all.

Some Muslims here like to point out that if non-Muslims are not happy living in an Islamic country they should emigrate out. What kind of suggestion is that, if its the only country you have?

God bless.

Reuben.