Islamic Dress

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I find the problem with Islamic dress isn’t the idea, but the execution of it.

Sure, the hijab is modest and commendable (extremities such as face coverings are not agreed upon by Muslims, so I won’t get into that), as well as are other Islamic modesty concepts such as no tight fitting clothing and no glancing twice at a stranger on the basis of “liking what you see”.

However, to say that not covering up = immodesty and then punishing someone for it is clearly wrong. Mini skirts and basically transparent tops… I can understand why a Muslim would have a problem. However, with average clothing that most women wear on a regular basis anyway, I don’t see the problem. Thankfully, a lot of Muslim countries have picked up on that and such clothing is acceptable.

Though, the biggest problem is that the same laws don’t apply to men. In Iran, my home country, women MUST be as modest as possible, but men are free to sport outrageous hairstyles and tight half-sleeve shirts and jeans. I should know, that’s what I did. Whereas my mother got held up at the airport for having her sleeves rolled up.

Why should women get the short end of the stick? The biggest ironic slap in the face being that during the time of Muhammad, women were much more “free” relative to some Muslim societies and cultures today.

Just my two pennies.
 
Amir_the_Masihi said:
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Why should women get the short end of the stick? The biggest ironic slap in the face being that during the time of Muhammad, women were much more “free” relative to some Muslim societies and cultures today.

Just my two pennies.
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Because in Islam women are considered the property of men.
 
schaick said:
Because in Islam women are considered the property of men.
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You won’t find much of an argument from me in that regard. Despite the constant proclamation by both Muslim men and women that men and women are equal, the situation in many Muslim countries proves otherwise. What’s worse it that when it comes to women, the unfairness of the “ideal” Islamic dress & modesty is just the tip of the iceberg. 😦
 
Flamingo said:
I hope I’m posting this in the right forum.

I have quite a few really great Muslim friends, and personally, I believe that their style of dress is absolutely beautiful. Lately, I’ve seen a few posts on CAF bashing Islamic dress? Why all the hatred? Am I missing something?

When I talk about it with my friends, none of them view it as oppressive! In fact, just the opposite! They view it as liberating to dress modestly (as we all should!)! They cover their arms, legs, and hair. I am aware that Islam does not always have the best connotation, but I simply do not understand why there are so man unkind comments concerning their modest dress?
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Why all the hatred toward Islamic dress?

Is it the dress, per se; or, is it the obligation to wear it?

Is the dress modest, or is it ultra-conservative?

Is it designed to inhibit male sexual interest, and is that a desired aim?

Is it modest only by comparison to wearing less; that is, if all women wore covering from head to toe, what would be said of any woman who dared to cover all, but her fingers?

Probably hatred toward Islamic dress reveals more about the critic than the criticism.

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Curious_Seed said:
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Why all the hatred toward Islamic dress?

Is it the dress, per se; or, is it the obligation to wear it?

Is the dress modest, or is it ultra-conservative?

Is it designed to inhibit male sexual interest, and is that a desired aim?

Is it modest only by comparison to wearing less; that is, if all women wore covering from head to toe, what would be said of any woman who dared to cover all, but her fingers?

Probably hatred toward Islamic dress reveals more about the critic than the criticism.

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Where to start, I would say there is no hatred to Islamic dress as of course our own Nuns are similarly attired appart from the face covering. As for being designed to inhibit male sexual interest why black why not white; pink ; green any way it wouldn’t inhibit male sexual interest but clearly would help to reduce temptation. Our Blessed Virgin is a model of Purity and in all her Appearances she appears in modest dress but it does not hide her femininity and beauty. She has never appeared in black as far as I know. There are probably people who appear to hate the dress in society but they do not for religious reasons but rather from the politics of what it says about the wearer. From my own point of view it is just another reminder of the double speak I get when I meet Islam. I am told that the Hijab is not clearly expressed as a commandment in the Quran but just modest dress and of course there is no compulsion in this. But then I know about the religious police in the Middle east and while there are none here in public ; I wonder if in private there are dress police in families and in areas of dense muslim population centres in the west. Some one posted a link lately about a fire in Saudi where a large number of young girls died in a fire and they need not have if the dress police hadnt prevented them escaping because they were not fully attired. I could go on.

The last statement is an irrelevance as it seems to imply that there is something innately wrong with criticising ( aaargh why can’t there be a spell checker 😃 ) the hijab of coure you can put me right and tell me this was not the meaning of the statement. I would say writing a statement like that tells you more about the writer than the reader 😃

MMMH reading it again closely ; I’m still not sure what you are trying to say; are you making a statement against hatred or against criticism :confused:
 
thirddec said:
Where to start, I would say there is no hatred to Islamic dress as of course our own Nuns are similarly attired appart from the face covering. As for being designed to inhibit male sexual interest why black why not white; pink ; green any way it wouldn’t inhibit male sexual interest but clearly would help to reduce temptation. Our Blessed Virgin is a model of Purity and in all her Appearances she appears in modest dress but it does not hide her femininity and beauty. She has never appeared in black as far as I know. There are probably people who appear to hate the dress in society but they do not for religious reasons but rather from the politics of what it says about the wearer. From my own point of view it is just another reminder of the double speak I get when I meet Islam. I am told that the Hijab is not clearly expressed as a commandment in the Quran but just modest dress and of course there is no compulsion in this. But then I know about the religious police in the Middle east and while there are none here in public ; I wonder if in private there are dress police in families and in areas of dense muslim population centres in the west. Some one posted a link lately about a fire in Saudi where a large number of young girls died in a fire and they need not have if the dress police hadnt prevented them escaping because they were not fully attired. I could go on.

The last statement is an irrelevance as it seems to imply that there is something innately wrong with criticising ( aaargh why can’t there be a spell checker 😃 ) the hijab of coure you can put me right and tell me this was not the meaning of the statement. I would say writing a statement like that tells you more about the writer than the reader 😃

MMMH reading it again closely ; I’m still not sure what you are trying to say; are you making a statement against hatred or against criticism :confused:
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“As for being designed to inhibit male sexual interest why black why not white; pink ; green any way it wouldn’t inhibit male sexual interest but clearly would help to reduce temptation.”
I believe inhibition of interest and reduction of temptation are similar, don’t you?

“I would say writing a statement like that tells you more about the writer than the reader; I’m still not sure what you are trying to say.”
You are not sure what I am saying, but you would say it says more about the writer than the reader – is it wise to comment on something of which you claim you are not sure? And why the personal attack?

“Are you making a statement against hatred or against criticism?”
Neither.

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Personally, I think that the style of dress worn by Muslim women in places like Saudi Arabia would be highly impractical. I mean surely covering up that much would make the poor women extremely hot in such a climate.
 
Curious_Seed said:
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“As for being designed to inhibit male sexual interest why black why not white; pink ; green any way it wouldn’t inhibit male sexual interest but clearly would help to reduce temptation.”
I believe inhibition of interest and reduction of temptation are similar, don’t you?

**the point I was making that modesty in dress to limit temptatiion of mens thoughts would be a sensable covering up of clearly sexual areas but even if you take that to be almost the complete female body to cover for a wide range of fetishes but why BLACK. Our Blessed Virgin has never been seen in Black but has always shown clearly her Femininity while being dressed in a chaste and modest manner. **
“I would say writing a statement like that tells you more about the writer than the reader; I’m still not sure what you are trying to say.”
You are not sure what I am saying, but you would say it says more about the writer than the reader – is it wise to comment on something of which you claim you are not sure? And why the personal attack?

that was the point I was trying to make; that the comment you had made seems more like a personal attack against someone who would critisise the burkha so I just turned it around and you spotted that then 😃
“Are you making a statement against hatred or against criticism?”
Nso what were you saying as its not clear to me :confused:
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thirddec said:
"As for being designed to inhibit male sexual interest why black why not white; pink ; green any way it wouldn’t inhibit male sexual interest but clearly would help to reduce temptation
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I believe inhibition of interest and reduction of temptation are similar, don’t you?

**the point I was making that modesty in dress to limit temptatiion of mens thoughts would be a sensable covering up of clearly sexual areas but even if you take that to be almost the complete female body to cover for a wide range of fetishes but why BLACK. Our Blessed Virgin has never been seen in Black but has always shown clearly her Femininity while being dressed in a chaste and modest manner. **
“I would say writing a statement like that tells you more about the writer than the reader; I’m still not sure what you are trying to say.”
You are not sure what I am saying, but you would say it says more about the writer than the reader – is it wise to comment on something of which you claim you are not sure? And why the personal attack?

that was the point I was trying to make; that the comment you had made seems more like a personal attack against someone who would critisise the burkha so I just turned it around and you spotted that then 😃
“Are you making a statement against hatred or against criticism?”
Nso what were you saying as its not clear to me :confused:
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Maybe Muslim men should be required to wear blinders if they can’t control their behavior.

Think of the Mennonites and Amish men and women both dress very modestly and sensibly!! Women that cover completely have a chance of becoming deficient in Vitamin D.
 
Just_One_Touch said:
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Remember her? She’s never been seen without her veil and a long flowing dress.
You people should quit whining about how women should get to wear whatever they want when there is a motherload of evidence against that. How many times do I need to say this?
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Evidence against being able to “wear what we want”?

Do you want to elaborate?

By the way, your picture is not visible because you haven’t been a member long enough yet.
 
Just_One_Touch said:
Real Jesus and Mary photographs
Remember her? She’s never been seen without her veil and a long flowing dress.
You people should quit whining about how women should get to wear whatever they want when there is a motherload of evidence against that. How many times do I need to say this?
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Yo chill; to be honest I dont have a problem with Women dressed modestly at all but in how modesty is defined but I do have a problem when the full burkha with veil and face covering reminds me of a comedy sketch when 2 men were introducing their girlfriend and wife and the women were in cardboard boxes with a flap at the top to talk out of. I have always stated that even the Blessed Virgin is dressed modestly but in no way is her Femininiy obscured quite the opposite she is clearly feminine and still appears chaste and modest.

I aslo have a problem when all the rules seem one sided because after all Paul had some ideas for men to

1 Corinthians 11:13-15 (New International Version - UK) Judge for yourselves: Is it proper for a woman to pray to God with her head uncovered?

Does not the very nature of things teach you that if a man has long hair, it is a disgrace to him,

but that if a woman has long hair, it is her glory? For long hair is given to her as a covering.

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I just had breakfast with some friends after church. His wife is in Afghanistan working with the native women, teaching them about leadership skills for women. Her boss has two stars. I asked about the clothing. He said that they all wore the birkas.

This made me wonder what we are doing. I am sure there are plenty of women in the US who could put such training to good use.
 
If I elaborate, I think we both know what will happen.
Anyway, I have already said my piece on this subject. Look up some of my posts and you’ll know what I think. I’m sick and tired of talking about this. No more shall I debate about this on this forum unless necessary.
 
Just_One_Touch said:
If I elaborate, I think we both know what will happen.
Anyway, I have already said my piece on this subject. Look up some of my posts and you’ll know what I think. I’m sick and tired of talking about this. No more shall I debate about this on this forum unless necessary.
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I don’t know what will happen, unless perhaps you are referring to your post count going up?

No, I do not want to look up your other posts. Me and you are having a conversation on this thread. If you are not willing to participate in a discussion, then I shall kindly ask you to refrain from posting in the future as this is a social forum, God bless.
 
Ah I see. Well, when I wear jeans or trousers (I’m shocked at you Jharek for using American terms! :p) I don’t feel that I am more tempted to sin, or that I am sinning. I’m more covered than I would be if I was wearing a skirt, warmer, and more comfortable. The Church sees nothing wrong with it and neither do I.

Just as a side note - is it true that the Church will reject an apparition if it is reported that whoever appeared (Jesus, Mary, etc) said something which is against Church teaching?
 
I personally prefer Native American Dress. In this culture the men wore the headdress while the women displayed their long hair, often using beads or braids.

Much better than Islamic dress IMHO.
 
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