Islamic Prophecy

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Valke2 said:
Find me an independent source that substantiates what you’ve read.
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Dr. Maurice Bucaille and Elliot Smith are indeed independent sources.

Dr. Bucaille has produced a book “MUMMIES OF THE PHARAOHS Modern Medical Investigations.” which explains his findings.

In 1912, Elliot Smith had also produced a book “The Royal Mummies” which shows that it was Merneptah who was really the Pharaoh of the Exodus.

It is interesting to note that one of the criticisms of Dr. Bucaille’s findings came from a book review for the New York Times and the reviewer had this to say:

“The author does not make it quite clear how a surge of water would produce the massive cranial trauma evident in the mummy, but never mind. This is but one of many questions the author leaves hanging.”

If he had seen the pictures of the dead victims of the tsunami of Dec. 2004, he surely would not have said this especially when considering the Biblical verse ‘And the waters returned, and covered the ‘chariots, and the horsemen, and all the host of Pharaoh that came into the sea after them; there remained not so much as one of them.’

The “massive cranial trauma evident in the mummy” was very likely to have been a result of the collision with the debris, not from the surge of water itself!
 
hamba2han said:
This ‘blindness’ is not medical in nature as it is not the blindness of the eyes but rather of the heart that is being referred to here.

One’s heart just refuses to see the truth.
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DOH!!
I realise that :rolleyes:
how can one refuse to see the truth?
it’s impossible
and I would blame Allah anyway, who has caused the blindness
 
Yet how hypocritical it is that some famous scientists rely on the data written in the OT while proving the ciphered verse of the Koran about the Pharaoh’s body :mad:

The Koran, unlike the book of Genesis, teaches that there was only ONE Pharaoh in history! This evidently contradicts the findings highligted by Dr. Bucaille, who asserts Merneptah was the Pharaoh of the Exodus :confused:

It is rather funny that people strive to identify the Pharaoh of the Exodus in order to prove the so-called prophetic verse of Mohammed’s scripture, which is unaware of the basic historic differentiation of Egyptian kings :rotfl:

More, another chapter of the Islamic Bible repeating the disaster befalling Pharaoh interestingly claims that both the Pharaoh and his army became an example for the people of the coming generations:

**043: 51 ** And Pharaoh caused a proclamation to be made among his people saying: O my people! Is not mine the sovereignty of Egypt and these rivers flowing under me ? Can ye not then discern ?

043: 55-56 So, when they angered Us, We punished them and drowned them every one. And We made them a thing past, and an example for those after (them).

Apparently, the tenth chapter of the Koran singles Pharaoh out as the head of the armies & the most important character of the incident, maintaining the same theme of making him a sign for others. Besides, it is not a coincidence that this chapter refers to people believing in Allah only to avoid disasters. For instance:

010: 012 And if misfortune touch a man he crieth unto Us, (while reclining) on his side, or sitting or standing, but when We have relieved him of the misfortune he goeth his way as though he had not cried unto Us because of a misfortune that afflicted him. Thus is what they do made (seeming) fair unto the prodigal.

010: 022 He it is Who maketh you to go on the land and the sea till, when ye are in the ships and they sail with them with a fair breeze and they are glad therein, a storm- wind reacheth them and the wave cometh unto them from every side and they deem that they are overwhelmed therein; (then) they cry unto Allah, making their faith pure for Him only: If Thou deliver us from this, we truly will be of the thankful.

010: 096-97 Lo! those for whom the word of thy Lord (concerning sinners) hath effect will not believe, Though every token come unto them, till they see the painful doom.

In short, Pharaoh was saved in the body (meaning he was not saved from death!) so that he could be a sign of warning for unbelievers who think they can avoid death if they repent after seeing their doom.

Finally, this chapter was named after Jonah because Mohammed’s scribes considered the conversion of the people of Nineveh as the only last-minute salvation accepted by Allah:

010: 098 If only there had been a community (of all those that were destroyed of old) that believed and profited by its belief as did the folk of Jonah! When they believed We drew off from them the torment of disgrace in the life of the world and gave them comfort for a while.

As long as some scientists keep quoting Koran verses by disregarding their context and avoiding comparative reading of similar verses, we shall keep facing several examples of Islamic hoax 😉

Angelos N.
 




“So this day We shall deliver your body (from the sea) that you (Pharaoh) may be a sign to those who come after you! And verily, many among mankind are heedless of Our Signs.” (Holy Qur’an 10:92)

At the time this verse was revealed, no one knew that the Pharaoh’s body even existed anymore much less was aware that it was still preserved intact and it was nearly 1400 years before this fact came to light.

In other words, it was a prophecy made concerning an event which happened some 2000 years in the past which will be fulfilled nearly 1400 years into the future.

Are there any prophecies found in any other scripture which are profoundly more astounding than this prophecy?

If the answer is NO, then is this not the greatest prophecy in the history of humankind?
 
hamba2han said:
http://www.islamreligion.com/articl...2_of_2)_-_The_People_of_Moses_and_Lot_002.jpg

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“So this day We shall deliver your body (from the sea) that you (Pharaoh) may be a sign to those who come after you! And verily, many among mankind are heedless of Our Signs.” (Holy Qur’an 10:92)

At the time this verse was revealed, no one knew that the Pharaoh’s body even existed anymore much less was aware that it was still preserved intact and it was nearly 1400 years before this fact came to light.

In other words, it was a prophecy made concerning an event which happened some 2000 years in the past which will be fulfilled nearly 1400 years into the future.

Are there any prophecies found in any other scripture which are profoundly more astounding than this prophecy?

If the answer is NO, then is this not the greatest prophecy in the history of humankind?
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You know well that the verse your beloved scientists - who somehow delight in distorting the Koran - quote contains no prophecy or miracle. You will have to read my previous post to be convinced 😉

BTW: Please consider me a novice scientist that has decided to leave Islam only because I know another prophecy in your scripture - similar to yours but clearer than that - that has not found fulfillment yet! Ask Mr. Bucaille to do me a favour and find the man in the following prophecy: 😊

002: 259 Or (take) the similitude of one who passed by a hamlet, all in ruins to its roofs. He said: “Oh! how shall Allah bring it (ever) to life, after (this) its death?” But Allah caused him to die for a hundred years, then raised him up (again). He said: “How long didst thou tarry (thus)?” He said: “(Perhaps) a day or part of a day.” He said: “Nay, thou hast tarried thus a hundred years; but look at thy food and thy drink; they show no signs of age: and look at thy donkey; and that We may make of thee a Sign unto the people, look further at the bones, how We bring them together and clothe them with flesh!” When this was shown clearly to him, he said: “I know that Allah hath power over all things.”

Where is that man appointed a Sign by Allah for mankind :confused:

Peace,
Angelos N.
 
I was right! I prophesied there would be more islamic terrorist attacks. Lo and behold there were. I am a prophet and a better one then muhammed.
 
hamba2han said:
http://www.islamreligion.com/articl...2_of_2)_-_The_People_of_Moses_and_Lot_002.jpg

http://www.islamreligion.com/articl...2_of_2)_-_The_People_of_Moses_and_Lot_003.jpg

“So this day We shall deliver your body (from the sea) that you (Pharaoh) may be a sign to those who come after you! And verily, many among mankind are heedless of Our Signs.” (Holy Qur’an 10:92)

At the time this verse was revealed, no one knew that the Pharaoh’s body even existed anymore much less was aware that it was still preserved intact and it was nearly 1400 years before this fact came to light.

In other words, it was a prophecy made concerning an event which happened some 2000 years in the past which will be fulfilled nearly 1400 years into the future.

Are there any prophecies found in any other scripture which are profoundly more astounding than this prophecy?

If the answer is NO, then is this not the greatest prophecy in the history of humankind?
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Yeah right!
Prophecies only fully understood after the fact are not worth anything at all. Look at how many prophecies have been successfully fitted to events fater they’ve happened with considerable mental gymnastics - and looking at the tripe some Muslims believe, it’s not hard! Seeing “Allah” on the side of a fish etc etc.
You talk about wilful blindness hamba2han - what about the “eye of faith” which sees miracles in a fish?
I had a Muslim trying to persuade me that the Koran is full of accurate scientific details of embryology and trying to teach me as a doctor what happens in utero!!! Talk about delusion through ignorance.
 
hamba2han said:
The problem here is that you are relying way too much on the English translation of the Qur’an and not considering the verses in the way that it should be understood i.e. in it’s original Arabic.
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No God of mine would use the Holy Spirit to inspire men to write His Word, if it was going to be too hard to understand in years to come.

I am tired of always hearing this reason when the Quran is debated.

God’s Word survives all time, all languages. That is why the Bible is the most read book in the world.
 
hamba2han said:
Dr. Maurice Bucaille and Elliot Smith are indeed independent sources.

Dr. Bucaille has produced a book “MUMMIES OF THE PHARAOHS Modern Medical Investigations.” which explains his findings.

In 1912, Elliot Smith had also produced a book “The Royal Mummies” which shows that it was Merneptah who was really the Pharaoh of the Exodus.

It is interesting to note that one of the criticisms of Dr. Bucaille’s findings came from a book review for the New York Times and the reviewer had this to say:

“The author does not make it quite clear how a surge of water would produce the massive cranial trauma evident in the mummy, but never mind. This is but one of many questions the author leaves hanging.”

If he had seen the pictures of the dead victims of the tsunami of Dec. 2004, he surely would not have said this especially when considering the Biblical verse ‘And the waters returned, and covered the ‘chariots, and the horsemen, and all the host of Pharaoh that came into the sea after them; there remained not so much as one of them.’

The “massive cranial trauma evident in the mummy” was very likely to have been a result of the collision with the debris, not from the surge of water itself!
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massive cranial trauma is not evidence of drowning. I don’t believe you have read the book (I might be wrong) but if you have then please tell me how he arrived at the conclusion that the mummy had drowned. I ask because my understanding is that part of the mummification process is the removal of all organs so where would water damage from drowning turn up?
 
hamba2han said:
There are only a few candidates for who really was the Pharaoh of the Exodus and among them, Ramses II or Merneptah of the 19th Dynasty, around 1290 BCE were favoured by the large majority of both religious and secular scholars.
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So there’s difference of opinion… hardly your conclusive proof then.
hamba2han said:
When you square this with the discovery by Dr. Maurice Bucaille in 1975 that only the mummified body of Merneptah bore distinct signs which are consistent with that of someone who had drowned, then this can only mean that it was Merneptah who was very likely indeed to have been the Pharaoh of the Exodus.
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What signs?
 
Khalfan said:
**My dear Angelos and Montalban,

Wake up now.**

😛
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Wake up from what. I would advice you to wake up and see the true word of God, ABBA not Allah!! From my understanding muslims claim that the Qu’ran has remained unchanged from it’s origen, but many muslims scholars now admit that there were some verses that were removed because it showed that mohammed had been led astray by satan himself. These verses are known as the satanic verses. Sure there are still some scholars who would deny that claim, just like the only response that muslims seem have to our objections of the Qu’ran are that we don’t know it in it’s original language. Like other people have posted the real word of God has survived in every language and not just it’s original form.
 
Khalfan said:
**I have given you two options to know the truth behind all your discrepencies.
  1. If knowing the reason is your interest, contact www.understandislam.com**, www.islamworld.com, www.islamonline.com or www.islaminfo.com.
  2. If you are so confident of those discrepencies, prove it on a public debate with any Muslim scholar. At least, you can help some muslims to understand Quran and to convert to Christianity.
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Dear Khalfan,

WAKE UP to see that this is a different thread from the one discussing the numerical discrepancies in your scripture 😃

Why don’t you present your precious comments on the supposed Islamic prophecy concerning Pharaoh’s body? :rolleyes:

God bless,
ANgelos N. ❤️
 
I would happily convert muslims into Christianity. Of course the muslims would probably try to kill me for doing it. What does that tell you? This discussion couldn’t even happen in most muslim countries.
 
The only definite way of diagnosing drowning is to find diatoms in the viscera I believe - is that possible on a mummy? I very much doubt it.
And in any case due to glottic spasm many drowning victims do not inhale much water at all.
 
The thing to remember here is that there are only a few candidates to consider for selecting who among them really was the Pharaoh of the Exodus.

And unless I am mistaken, ALL of their mummified bodies have indeed been discovered and so I think that it is really just a matter of examining all of their bodies in order to find any signs which are consistent with the manner of death as described in the scriptures.

In other words, it is merely a process of logical elimination of the candidates and in this regard, the body of Merneptah clearly stands out from the rest as being the most likely to be that of the Pharaoh of the Exodus.
 
hamba2han said:
The thing to remember here is that there are only a few candidates to consider for who among them really was the Pharaoh of the Exodus.

And unless I am mistaken, ALL of their mummified bodies have indeed been discovered and so I think that it is really just a matter of examining all of their bodies in order to find any signs which are consistent with the manner of death as described in the scriptures.

In other words, it is merely a process of logical elimination of the candidates and in this regard, the body of Merneptah clearly stands out from the rest as being the most likely to be that of the Pharaoh of the Exodus.
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your case sounds weak to the point of exhaustion
case dismissed I believe!
 
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