Islamic Prophecy

[hamba2han]

Here is an excerpt from another Islamic website… and this time with citations from the original sources written in German:

The mystery of ancient Egyptian hieroglyphics was solved in 1799 by the discovery of a tablet called the Rosetta Stone dating back to 196 B.C. The importance of this inscription was that it was written in three different forms of writing: Hieroglyphics, demotic (a simplified form of ancient Egyptian hieratic writing) and Greek. With the help of the Greek script, the ancient Egyptian writings were decoded. The translation of the inscription was completed by a Frenchman named Jean-Françoise Champollion. Hence a forgotten language and the events related in it were brought to light. In this way, a great deal of knowledge about the civilization, religion and social life of ancient Egypt became available.

Through the decoding of hieroglyph, an important piece of knowledge was revealed: the name “Haman” was indeed mentioned in Egyptian inscriptions. This name was referred to in a monument in the Hof Museum in Vienna. (1)

In the dictionary of “People in the New Kingdom,” that was prepared based on the entire collection of inscriptions, Haman is said to be “the head of stone quarry workers”. (2)

The result revealed a very important truth. Unlike the false assertion of the opponents of the Qur’an, Haman was a person who lived in Egypt at the time of Moses, who had been close to the Pharaoh, and had been involved in construction work, just as imparted in the Qur’an.

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(1) Walter Wreszinski, Aegyptische Inschriften aus dem K.K. Hof Museum in Wien, 1906, J. C. Hinrichs’ sche Buchhandlung
(2) Hermann Ranke, Die Ägyptischen Personennamen, Verzeichnis der Namen, Verlag Von J. J. Augustin in Glückstadt, Band I, 1935, Band II, 1952

 

[Valke2]

I found this on all experts, which on this subject gives a general “inconclusive”.

It is one of several compound names formed with the name of the ancient Egyptian hawk-god Hemen (ḥmn), any of which could in principle be regarded as a candidate for the Qur’anic “Haman.” However, a difficulty with this interpretation is that ḥ corresponds to Arabic Ø* ḥ, whereas Haman begins with Arabic Ù‡ h; this difficulty’s force is weakened by the fact that in the later Coptic form of the Egyptian language the two sounds merged. Ranke does also give a similar name with h, but containing two n’s (p. 229):

I’m gonna bow out of this thread because it seems to be more of an attack than a discussion and while I disagree with Hambam on the former prophecy and am ambivilant on the one now being disucssed, I don’t see the fact that the prophecies have their critics as being damaging to Islam.

 

[Booklover]

On a related note concerning the story of Moses (pbuh) and the Pharaoh, there are also to be found other verses in the Qur’an which while not quite a prophecy perhaps, nevertheless is another poignant reminder of the amazing prophetic accuracy of the Qur’an.

**“And Pharaoh said: O Haman! Build for me a tower that haply I may reach the roads, The roads of the heavens, and may look upon the god of Moses, though verily I think him a liar. Thus was the evil that he did made fairseeming unto Pharaoh, and he was debarred from the (right) way. The plot of Pharaoh ended but in ruin. **(Quran 40:36-7)

The following is an excerpt from a webpage:

For well over a thousand years, the only ‘Haman’ that was mentioned outside Islamic texts was a Babylonian courtier from the story of the Tower of Babel. Academics derided his mention in the Quran, citing it as proof of Muhammad’s supposedly inaccurately borrowing from the bible; mixing up the Babylonian legend with the much earlier story of the Exodus.

Then, in 1799, one of Napoleon’s captains in Egypt discovered a dark grey-pinkish granite stone in the port city of Rosetta. He showed it to General Abdullah Jacques de Menou, a convert to Islam, who sent it off to Cairo to be studied. The Rosetta Stone, which dated back to 196 BC, was inscribed in three scripts: Hieroglyphic, Demotic and Greek. Its discovery meant that scholars the world over were finally able to decipher Egyptian hieroglyphs. One result was the decoding of an inscription on a Pharaonic stela from the Mosaic period in Vienna’s Hof-Museum. Curiously, the name ‘Haman’ was inscribed on the stela, his given title: ‘chief of the stone quarry workers’. Precisely the man whom a Pharaoh would ask to build a high tower!

From the above, we can see that the Qur’an has once again been proven to be perfectly correct even though it took well over a thousand years after it’s revelation before the evidence came to light.

answering-islam.org/Quran/Contra/qbhc09.html

And once again we can find a rebuttal to the Quran’s perfections!

Vickie

 

[Angelos]

Through the decoding of hieroglyph, an important piece of knowledge was revealed: the name “Haman” was indeed mentioned in Egyptian inscriptions. This name was referred to in a monument in the Hof Museum in Vienna. (1)

In the dictionary of “People in the New Kingdom,” that was prepared based on the entire collection of inscriptions, Haman is said to be “the head of stone quarry workers”. (2)

The result revealed a very important truth. Unlike the false assertion of the opponents of the Qur’an, Haman was a person who lived in Egypt at the time of Moses, who had been close to the Pharaoh, and had been involved in construction work, just as imparted in the Qur’an.

Dear Hamba2han,

Thanks for bringing up this issue because I have always wanted to discuss this so-called historic miracle of the Koran and prove it is another castle of sand promoted by a bunch of desperate Muslims

First, I should remind you & everyone that the sources cited above are somehow not available to anyone except for the Islamic scholars and blind followers of this assertion.

Second, the allegations are presented very vaguely and are supported with exteremely generalized data, as a result of which one cannot help asking a few questions for the sake of clarification. You wrote:

In the dictionary of “People in the New Kingdom,” that was prepared based on the entire collection of inscriptions, Haman is said to be “the head of stone quarry workers”.

The New Kingdom in Egyptian history designates a very long period comprising three major dynasties with 31 distinct Pharaohs coming to power! (nefertiti.iwebland.com/dynasties.htm)

Question: Isn’t it awkward to assert that there was only one single man named Haman throughout all those different dynasties lasting for centuries? If there were many Hamans, was each Haman miraculously the head of stone quarry workers serving the Pharaoh of his term?

You also wrote:

Unlike the false assertion of the opponents of the Qur’an, Haman was a person who lived in Egypt at the time of Moses, who had been close to the Pharaoh.

Question: How is it possible to know when Haman lived since it is impossible to definitely know when Moses lived? As the Koran gives no clues about the identity of the Pharaoh living in the same period as Moses, how can your expert Harun Yahya convince me that a man named Haman served the Pharaoh whose story is narrated in the Islamic Scripture?

to be continued…

 

[Montalban]

According to the Koran he was not drowned

10:90-92
Pharaoh … when the (fate of) drowning overtook him, he exclaimed: I believe that there is no God save Him in Whom the Children of Israel believe … But this day We save thee in thy body that thou mayst be a portent for those after thee.

But then he was too!

17:102-3
I deem thee lost, O Pharaoh. And he wished to scare them from the land, but We drowned him and those with him, all together.
28:40
We seized him [Pharaoh] and his hosts, and abandoned them unto the sea.

43:55
So, when they angered Us, We punished them and drowned them every one.

 

[Angelos]

Hamba2han wrote:

In the dictionary of “People in the New Kingdom,” that was prepared based on the entire collection of inscriptions, Haman is said to be “the head of stone quarry workers”. (2)

The result revealed a very important truth. Unlike the false assertion of the opponents of the Qur’an, Haman was a person who lived in Egypt at the time of Moses, who had been close to the Pharaoh, and had been involved in construction work, just as imparted in the Qur’an.

It is not true that the Koran identifies Haman as the head of stone workers! Muslim scholars like Harun Yahya fabricate stories to defend the Islamic Scripture, but simultaneously fail to link the alleged discoveries to the info given in the Koran. The chapter that contains the most detailed information about Haman is the 28th. Let’s read what it relates about Haman’s identity:

28: 6 And to establish them in the earth, and to show Pharaoh and Haman and their hosts that which they feared from them.

28: 8 And the family of Pharaoh took him up, that he might become for them an enemy and a sorrow, Lo! Pharaoh and Haman and their hosts were ever sinning.

The recurring location of Haman’s name between the Pharaoh and his hosts enables us to conclude that he was definitely more than an artisan serving the Egyptian king. Since the verses stress Haman’s prevalent position with regard to Pharaoh and his army, it is most probable and reasonable to regard him as Pharaoh’s vizier rather than a stone worker of the highest rank. In the light of this observation, it is most likely that the scribes who inserted Haman into Pharaoh’s story were inspired by the original story found in the book of Esther in the Old Testament. The reason underlying this inspiration that disregarded the temporal gap between Pharaoh and the Persian vizier Haman was the Islamic fantasy attributing the Persian Haman’s evil attitude and plots against Israelites to the vizier of the Egyptian king who oppressed Hebrews.

As for the uncanny similarity between Pharaoh’s order for the construction of a formidable edifice so that he can reach the God of Moses and the story of the Tower of Babel in the Old Testament, it is easy to infer that Mohammed’s scribes heard from Jews Pharaoh had got some buildings constructed to glorify himself in the land, which was related to his hatred towards Jews living in Egypt (Exodus 1: 11). They simply associated this construction with Pharaoh’s haughtiness as it is evident in the verse ensuing Pharaoh’s order to Haman:

28: 38-39 And Pharaoh said: O chiefs! I know not that ye have a god other than me, so kindle for me (a fire), O Haman, to bake the mud; and set up for me a lofty tower in order that I may survey the God of Moses; and lo! I deem him of the liars. And he and his hosts were haughty in the land without right, and deemed that they would never be brought back to Us.

Summary: there is nothing mysterious or miraculous about the occurrence of Haman’s name in Mohammed’s Bible. People claiming the opposite are actually the ones trying to conceal one of the biggest mistakes in Allah’s supposed revelation

Peace & blessings,
Angelos N. (ex-Muslim)

 

[Kreator]

The true religion is christianity alone. If you find predictions elswhere it is the work of demons.

 

[exoflare]

The true religion is christianity alone. If you find predictions elswhere it is the work of demons.

Not necessarily… could just be a crazy attention-starved person making random “predictions” on his own.

 

[Kreator]

There are certain monks and living saints living in Athos and elsewhere whose prophecies are always genuine. This is the only prophecy one can trust.

 

[jack_hawkins]

It is now my hope that Christians and Jews would start believing in what is written in their own Bible with regard to events that are also told in the Qur’an

It is very frustrating trying to have any sort of meaningful conversation when you make wild accusations which run in the face of well-constructed refutations.
You have not shown how any of us do not believe in the Bible when we reject your proofs of the Koran’s divine inspiration. As usual you basically stick your fingers in your ears (metaphorically of course) and carry on with your line of argument, spurious as it is. You are a deceiver with no credibility and it is a waste of time expecting a reply from you, and your contributions amount to spamming.