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What is it in the teachings of the Islamic religion that justifies the violence that we are seeing toward the Danish?

Granted, a Danish newspaper printed an offensive cartoon of the prophet Mohammed, but is the burning of the Danish and Norweign embassies justified?
 
It’s a bit disturbing to Christians when we realize that many of the values we accept as human ones are simply Christian ones. e.g. monogamy, forgiveness, not seeking revenge, or even charity. Sure, Muslims do not believe in killing the innocent. It’s just that making a cartoon of Muhammed certainly means you’re not innocent and really should be put to death for blasphemy. Also, vengence is seen more as a virtue than something to be avoided. The concept of Islam as a religion of peace is misunderstood by Christians who have a different concept of peace. Islam really means submission.
 
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LeahInancsi:
What is it in the teachings of the Islamic religion that justifies the violence that we are seeing toward the Danish?

Granted, a Danish newspaper printed an offensive cartoon of the prophet Mohammed, but is the burning of the Danish and Norweign embassies justified?
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In light of the events taking place concerning the publishing on a Danish newspaper and eventually other European papers too, of blasphemous cartoons of the prophet Mohamed (peace be upon him), in the name of freedom of Expression, I feel it is only too right, in the name of freedom of expression, to put pen to paper and communicate with the readers over this issue.
It seems that some people take the term freedom of expression, and freedom of the press, a notch too far - that for them, freedom of the press means insulting and offending others and their beliefs in the process.

Freedom of speech was created so that people could speak out and criticize their corrupt governments, not for people to offend others. Those newspaper editors who, in the name of Freedom of Expression, decided to include blasphemous cartoons of the prophet Mohamed (peace be upon him) could, in the name of freedom of expression, have published naked photos of their mothers, sisters, wives and daughters; they are free to do that and I would not put it past those immoral and evil people.

In the name of freedom of speech and expression, why not write and unveil their corrupt leaders, who lie and cheat their way to power? Why not draw their homosexual and lesbian leaders in full action? Why not write against all the fornication and adultery that goes on in the West, and all of the alcohol and drug abuse that is killing their people and their economy?

Maybe that will help them sell some more papers in the name of freedom of expression. Or are they happy with all of that corruption and the way their corrupt leaders are running the world, killing innocent Muslims in the name of freedom. Maybe they too are part and parcel of these lies and corruption, hiding under the banner of freedom of expression. Maybe they too are as corrupt as those who rule them.

This has been an ongoing war against Islam and the media is part and parcel of this too; and as usual they hide under a banner in order not to show their true colours.

In the name of Freedom of Expression, Muslims around the world have chosen to boycott the products of those countries that are so intent on blaspheming the name of the prophet (peace be upon him). And rightly so, as that too is freedom of expression, the freedom to choose what to buy, and what not to buy. It’s a means of expressing unhappiness. Muslims too have this freedom to boycott another country’s products in the name of freedom of Expression, and can exercise it. This has actually strengthened the resolve of the Muslims, as scholars have called for a world-wide ban on Danish products, and it seems it has started working on their economy already. Many shops and supermarkets in Muslim countries have pulled Danish products off the shelves and on the individual basis Muslims have woken up and have joined together.

Islam the religion of over 1.2 billion people all around the world. It is not a ball game, or a pack of cards, or a toy that one can play around with when one feels like and expect 1.2 billion Muslims to remain silent about it.

Islam is not just the religion brought about by the prophet Mohamed (peace be upon him) - it is a way of life that was established long before Mohamed (peace be upon him). It was established in different styles under different names by different prophets. The final form of this way of life was brought about and finalized by the prophet Mohamed (peace be upon him).

Muslims live their lives emulating the teachings of the Prophet (peace be upon him), and any insult geared towards him is not taken lightly by Muslims. Islam not being a religion of lip service, any depiction of the prophet (peace be upon him) in any way whatsoever is strictly forbidden, let alone offensive ones done in the name of so-called freedom of expression.

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The reality is that this was a drawing competition to provoke Muslims. They wanted to see how far they could go in provoking Muslims. It has nothing to do with freedom of speech or of the press. Twelve drawings depicting the prophet Mohamed were not innocently published in the Danish papers.

Even the ambassadors of 21 Muslim countries have gone to see the Danish head of state, who refused to see them at the time.

I wonder what would happen if Muslims decided to make fun of the holocaust in their newspapers, or other very important Christian issues, such as blaspheming the Holy Ghost, for example. Mr 3:29 But he that shall blaspheme against the Holy Ghost hath never forgiveness, but is in danger of eternal damnation.

There would have been outrage, even if their Constitution or Queen were to be depicted in such a blasphemous manner; then they would not consider it to be freedom of expression. The west would not need to boycott Muslim products because they don’t buy any of them anyway, apart from petrol that they steal from them; but they would not boycott that because they need that. What is a westerner without cheap Arab oil?

Anyway, it is not befitting for a Muslim to mock any prophet since it is in the articles of faith that he believes in every single one of the prophets of God, may be not in the same exact way the Christians and Jews believe in them.

13:32 And verily messengers (of Allah) were mocked before thee, but long I bore with those who disbelieved. At length I seized them, and how (awful) was My punishment!

15:11 And never came there unto them a messenger but they did mock him.

So their mockery of Islam and the Holy prophet is nothing new. It is something that he was subject to while he was alive, and after his death. The same mockery was aimed at other prophets of GOD. The worst thing about these people is that they have no knowledge of Islam and the holy prophet (peace be upon him), yet they like to mock something they have no knowledge of. Had they slight knowledge of Islam or the prophet Mohamed (peace be upon him), they would find nothing to mock.

31:6 And of mankind is he who payeth for mere pastime of discourse, that he may mislead from Allah’s way without knowledge, and maketh it the butt of mockery. For such there is a shameful doom.

Read the Quran for enlightment, and then you will not make a mockery of what you have no knowledge of.

Peace.
 
Gurrato…I still don’t think the violence is justified. It’s a kin to the rioting in South Central Los Angeles when three LA police officers were aquitted in the beating of Rodney King.

I don’t expect every Muslim to be fully versed in the beliefs and practices of the Catholic church.

There many more constructive methods for the Muslins to express their dismay. Violence is not the answer. :mad:
 
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LeahInancsi:
Gurrato…I still don’t think the violence is justified. It’s a kin to the rioting in South Central Los Angeles when three LA police officers were aquitted in the beating of Rodney King.

I don’t expect every Muslim to be fully versed in the beliefs and practices of the Catholic church.

There many more constructive methods for the Muslins to express their dismay. Violence is not the answer. :mad:
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Actually that was intentionally, how can Danish government Say they cannot hamper freedom of speech, I wonder if they can do same regarding the holocaust for Jews as example or anything concerning Jews or Christianity

I think such deeds create the terrorism and don’t blame who defending their religion, after that they would say why we became goal to terrorism.

I myself support the boycott not violence.

Peace
 
Theres nothing new with violance in Islam since 1400 years ago. Even the so called peaceful muslims here agree with this action indirectly 🙂
 
Just reading over the thread here and there are a lot of interestng assumptions and points being made. My own personal oppinion is that firstly, the people who published such cartoons were being anti Islam and were intentionally trying to get a reaction out of Muslims, they have clearly now suceeded. I don’t know if the violence etc is justified, and i think most would agree that if possible violence has to be prevented. However, a part of me is glad that Muslims have come out and defended their faith as it might in the long term be advantageous to people of all faiths, as no doubt secualar/athiest Governments are going to have to take the issue of peoples religious beliefs more seriously.

A part of me is still dismayed that the Western Christian population wasnt equally as outraged when the Di Vinci code came out etc. I mean Muslims are annoyed that their Prophet was portrayed as a Suicide Bomber but Christians should be even more annoyed at the fact that our God is being portrayed as a fornicator and a fraud. I am sure if the Di Vinci code was about Muhammed it wouldnt have even made the shelves.
 
Islam is a religion with an obvious huge inferiority complex. It also lacks the Christian values which G&S mentions and have become so interwoven into even our secular culture that we take them for granted.
 
Gurrato, why does it matter that Muslim leaders went to see the Danish prime minister? Unlike many Muslim countries, in the West, the newspapers are not controlled by the State!
 
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LeahInancsi:
What is it in the teachings of the Islamic religion that justifies the violence that we are seeing toward the Danish?

Granted, a Danish newspaper printed an offensive cartoon of the prophet Mohammed, but is the burning of the Danish and Norweign embassies justified?
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And this is the lunatic fringe we are to be negotiating with? Really? How does a western style democracy deal with this intransient theocratic mindset? The lunatics are running the asylum.
 
Islam is a religion of peace. These so called riots are just peacefull demonstrations.:rolleyes:
 
I wonder what would happen if Muslims decided to make fun of the holocaust in their newspapers, or other very important Christian issues, such as blaspheming the Holy Ghost, for example. Mr 3:29 But he that shall blaspheme against the Holy Ghost hath never forgiveness, but is in danger of eternal damnation.
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Gurrato,

How many Jewish mobs rampaged burning building because the leader of Iran claimed the holocaust actually never happened? This is very insulting to the Jews. Where were the Jewish mobs protesting, rioting, burning, etc? How many Christians have been killed in the name of Islam in Indonesia and the Phillipines? Islam insults Christians by claiming Jesus was “just a prophet”. He was/is God Himself. A Catholic priest was just killed in Ankara Turkey by a 15 year old shouting “God is great” How many Muslim dominated countries have had their embassies burned by Catholic mobs? how many Christians have gone on rampages shouting “death to Islam”?
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As far as blasphemy against the Holy Spirit, all sins can be forgiven and yes, a sin against the Holy Spirit cannot be forgiven, but it will be God who will be the judge, not us.  And this sin against the Holy Spirit is somebody who deliberately refuses to accept the mercy of God.  God’s mercy has NO LIMITS, and if somebody even up to the last instant before dying repents, that soul can be forgiven, but if that person REFUSES to repent that is the sin against the Holy Spirit that cannot be forgiven.
The reality is that this was a drawing competition to provoke Muslims. They wanted to see how far they could go in provoking Muslims.
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I suppose you have inside information on this? If not then that is a false assumption and misleading by calling it a reality, unless you are able to read the hearts of these men and only God can do that.
 
gurrato alaien:
In light of the events taking place concerning the publishing on a Danish newspaper and eventually other European papers too, of blasphemous cartoons of the prophet Mohamed (peace be upon him), in the name of freedom of Expression, I feel it is only too right, in the name of freedom of expression, to put pen to paper and communicate with the readers over this issue.
It seems that some people take the term freedom of expression, and freedom of the press, a notch too far - that for them, freedom of the press means insulting and offending others and their beliefs in the process.

Freedom of speech was created so that people could speak out and criticize their corrupt governments, not for people to offend others. Those newspaper editors who, in the name of Freedom of Expression, decided to include blasphemous cartoons of the prophet Mohamed (peace be upon him) could, in the name of freedom of expression, have published naked photos of their mothers, sisters, wives and daughters; they are free to do that and I would not put it past those immoral and evil people.

In the name of freedom of speech and expression, why not write and unveil their corrupt leaders, who lie and cheat their way to power? Why not draw their homosexual and lesbian leaders in full action? Why not write against all the fornication and adultery that goes on in the West, and all of the alcohol and drug abuse that is killing their people and their economy?

Maybe that will help them sell some more papers in the name of freedom of expression. Or are they happy with all of that corruption and the way their corrupt leaders are running the world, killing innocent Muslims in the name of freedom. Maybe they too are part and parcel of these lies and corruption, hiding under the banner of freedom of expression. Maybe they too are as corrupt as those who rule them.

This has been an ongoing war against Islam and the media is part and parcel of this too; and as usual they hide under a banner in order not to show their true colours.

In the name of Freedom of Expression, Muslims around the world have chosen to boycott the products of those countries that are so intent on blaspheming the name of the prophet (peace be upon him). And rightly so, as that too is freedom of expression, the freedom to choose what to buy, and what not to buy. It’s a means of expressing unhappiness. Muslims too have this freedom to boycott another country’s products in the name of freedom of Expression, and can exercise it. This has actually strengthened the resolve of the Muslims, as scholars have called for a world-wide ban on Danish products, and it seems it has started working on their economy already. Many shops and supermarkets in Muslim countries have pulled Danish products off the shelves and on the individual basis Muslims have woken up and have joined together.

Islam the religion of over 1.2 billion people all around the world. It is not a ball game, or a pack of cards, or a toy that one can play around with when one feels like and expect 1.2 billion Muslims to remain silent about it.

Islam is not just the religion brought about by the prophet Mohamed (peace be upon him) - it is a way of life that was established long before Mohamed (peace be upon him). It was established in different styles under different names by different prophets. The final form of this way of life was brought about and finalized by the prophet Mohamed (peace be upon him).

Muslims live their lives emulating the teachings of the Prophet (peace be upon him), and any insult geared towards him is not taken lightly by Muslims. Islam not being a religion of lip service, any depiction of the prophet (peace be upon him) in any way whatsoever is strictly forbidden, let alone offensive ones done in the name of so-called freedom of expression.

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Arab newspapers print anti-semitic cartoons on a regular basis.
 
Gods peace be with you Gurrato,

I read your posts above and I just wanted to know what nation you live in?

Did you live in other nations before that?

I lived with an Islamic Iranian for about 5 years in school back in 1981-86. We started rooming together just months after the Iranian hostage crises too. I was in the US MARINE CORPS (HUGH RAGH!) at the time. We had some good conversations over the years too.:bigyikes:

A prisoner of the Christ,
 
G&S:
It’s a bit disturbing to Christians when we realize that many of the values we accept as human ones are simply Christian ones. e.g. monogamy, forgiveness, not seeking revenge, or even charity. Sure, Muslims do not believe in killing the innocent. It’s just that making a cartoon of Muhammed certainly means you’re not innocent and really should be put to death for blasphemy. Also, vengence is seen more as a virtue than something to be avoided. The concept of Islam as a religion of peace is misunderstood by Christians who have a different concept of peace. Islam really means submission.
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As westerners it is hard to understand different cultures. Like Eastern asians have their own customs that are odd and bewildering which we don’t understand. During the past the Catholic Church burnt heretics and and sent armies to eradicate places of large blespheme populations. The Church has lost its authority in the world and no longer can or will defend the truth or cleanse of the wicked. In Islam they still have that authority in their lands and can continue to do that. I wouldn’t say vengeance is the virtue, but justice. I would be mortally offended to see Christ portrayd in some sick and demeaning manner. I would want justice for such, I would make phone calls and do my best to make sure that something is done about it. Culturally people differ greatly, just like North America and South America have different versions of peace and war and right and wrong.
 
gurrato alaien:
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I wonder what would happen if Muslims decided to make fun of the holocaust in their newspapers, or other very important Christian issues, such as blaspheming the Holy Ghost, for example. Mr 3:29 But he that shall blaspheme against the Holy Ghost hath never forgiveness, but is in danger of eternal damnation.

Peace.
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They do all the time. With Islam tolerance seems to be a one way street.

jcpa.org/phas/phas-21.htm
 
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They do all the time. With Islam tolerance seems to be a one way street.

jcpa.org/phas/phas-21.htm
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When one thinks of it the Muslims are still basically tribal in their society and as such is reflected in their religion. Where honor, shame, family and society amounts to much more that right or wrong, good or bad.

It is more honorable to murder in some cases than it is to loose face. We have all heard of honor killings, that being a sister or women who disgraces the family by pregancy out of wedlock can be legally killed for such an act. That is why the Jewish Torah and Christianity was such a revolution in philosophical thought.

When dealing with Muslims, you are either under their heel or they are under your heal. They only respect power and might and for a Muslim it is more honorable to surrender to a much mightier and powerful foe that to Negotiate on equal footing.
 
gurrato alaien,

I will agree that freedom of speech was originally intended to allow citizens to speak out against the government. I will also agree that many take it too far. We have the right to say anything we wish, but that should be tempered by the wisdom not to say everything. That however does not ever excuse violence.

Please answer the following questions: Does the Quran teach guilt by association? Should all Danes be held guilty for the actions of a privately owned newspaper? Why are some Muslims threatening all of Europe when not every European nation printed or reprinted the drawings?

Instead of telling us that Muslim have the right to express their displeasure, which we will all agree you have, perhaps you should be denouncing the violence of those who are acting contrary to Islam if their actions are indeed contrary to Islam.
 
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