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So you blindly believe without proof.
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Christians are still struggling, guessing and making many assumptions about how Muhammad receives revelation. They have assumed that Muhammad learned from the Bahira monks in Busra, Satan (Gabriel), Waraqa bin Naufal and so on.
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FreeMe
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History shows that Christians are still killing each other before the advent of Islam.FreeMe:
Which did Jesus teach? “Love your enemies” or “Kill the infidels”? and which teaching do Muslims follow and which teaching of Jesus does Islam follow?
Jesus was only able to serve missionaries for 3 years, compared to Muhammad 23 years.
The enemies of Jesus are his own people-Jews, compared to Muhammad other than his people, his enemies are also Jews, Christians and other polytheists.
Jesus said, Do not assume that I have come to bring peace to the earth; I have not come to bring peace, but a sword. (Matt 10:34)
If he was a missionary for 23 years it would certainly fight against the enemies of Allah as well.
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FreeMe
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No matter how good their works and deeds are according to their religious beliefs, as long as they do not accept Muhammad, they can not attain heaven.
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CaptainPrudeman
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Not how that works.
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Where did I say that?
Yeah, that doesn’t really fit who Jesus was. He wasn’t a warlord, he didn’t use his religious power to influence others to fight. When he said that, he meant his revolutionary ideals were not going to be a peaceful and simple transition for the Jews, but rather difficult and complex, and they would divide sharply.
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Of course, he will not do it because Christianity is not the official religion of God. And Jesus never said that he taught Christianity.
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CaptainPrudeman
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And you base that on what, exactly?
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Allah states that there is no religion accepted with Him from any person, except Islam. In Quran says, “Truly the religion with Allah is Islam.” (3:19) and “And whoever seeks a religion other than Islam it will never be accepted of him and in the hereafter he will be one of the losers.” (3:85)
Muhammad was the Last Messenger and no prophet after him. So as the last Prophet he was to execute God’s command to abolish previous teachings because there is no new religion. Anyone who opposes Islam then he will be opposed to either good way, but if the unbelievers want to fight in the way of war then Muslims fight in the same way of war. Muslims fight for the sake of Allah not because of Muhammad.
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CaptainPrudeman
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So you’re right because your religion says I’m wrong, and you know your religion is right because it says it’s right? Okay.
That still doesn’t answer my question though. How did Jesus not teach Christianity?
That still doesn’t answer my question though. How did Jesus not teach Christianity?
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So you believe the Quran is not God’s divine revelation.
Because you say, the Quran teaches, God cannot proceed (beget) divine revelaiton into space and time.
Thus your logic refutes that the Quran cannot be divine revelation, because the Quran “were in this universes so” the Quran “were not of God”.
In an earlier post you said; “Qur’an is eternal in originally but also is in time and space.” How can you be trusted if you speak with a forked tongue? When you contradict yourself about God’s divine revelation cannot enter space and time?
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Are you serious? “all acts of atoms and subatomic particles as a knowledge are in eternal knowledge of God… Qur’an teach that.”??
Excuse me; atoms and subatomic particles are known to be created by God. That which is created and known in space and time is quickly returning to dust. How can the Quran imply creation to existing in the eternal knowledge of God? when creation returns to dust thereby cannot be an eternal knowledge of God.
I believe your Quran pretends to know God’s (eternal) ways, when it is known by all men and creation that NO ONE knows God’s (eternal) ways.
I have to disagree with you.
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OriginalGabrielof12
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The Quran never refutes or clarifies what is God’s eternal begetting or God’s divine revelation proceeding into time and space. So your opinion is respected, but you cannot make the false claim, that the Quran rejects God’s diviine revelation proceeds from the eternal begetting.
The divine procession of God’s begetting divine revelation into space and time was first divinely revealed by God through the Messiah Jesus Christ. The Quran was not given this divine revelation in space and time. Why do you try to make the Quran say false things that it never does?
There is no beginning or end in eternal substance of God, Your error here, when you imply a “later” action of God occurs in eternity.
What you oppose in the “begetting eternally” is not believed in by Catholic Christians, because you falsely imply the eternal substance of God makes an action in eternity as if time and space exists in eternity. Your definition of “begetting eternally” does not exist in Christian faith or theology.
It is your opinion which is flawed when trying to oppose an eternal act of Act of God.
True “something who begotten eternally cannot be eternal God”, by your definition, God never creates anything, because God does not proceed His divine revelation in the begetting into space and time, again by your logic here and definition, the Quran is never a divine revelation of God because God cannot proceed or eternally beget His divine revelation into space and time.
By a Catholic Christian definition, all things are possible in God. God created all things by His Word. Thus God the Father eternally begets His Word =Son, who makes divine revelation made known in all of creation.
God eternally begets divine revelation, and makes them known into space and time through His Word who is God, divinely revealed in the presence of God incarnate Jesus Christ our Lord and Savior. We believe God created creation from the eternal begetting.
Your definition of the “eternal begetting” is flawed and places God in a box who cannot do anything, and does not create, by your definition of God’s “eternal begetting”.
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OriginalGabrielof12
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You did not answer the question?
This does not answer my question to Muslims who pretend to follow Jesus Christ. What did Jesus teach? We agree man has always fallen short of the glory of God and into sin.
Yes, and that Sword Jesus brings when He divinely reveals God’s eternal Love for us by His passion, crucifixion, death and resurrection. When God’s TRUE LOVE will cause men divisions, and Jesus warned us that the anti-Christ was already in the world who Hates God and His Son (read the parable of vineyard Mark12:1… where the Father owner of the vineyard send His Son and is killed by His servants).
The Sword and Fire Jesus brings is not the same as when Muhammad killed flesh and blood. The Sword and fire which Jesus brings battles against the evil powers and principalities.
You misunderstand the whole of God’s divine revelation through His Word.
We Christians who follow Jesus Christ do not battle against flesh and blood. **The Sword Jesus blesses Christian Martyrs and Saints with is divine Love, this divine (sword) Love battles against the evil powers and principalities. **
Look to our heroic TRUE Catholic Christian martyrs and saints, not christian secular powers. It is from these historical and present Catholics who battle with God’s sword against evil powers with their Love of enemy and Love of God. There is no more pure love than this, when a man lays down his life for his friends.
You are mistaken about Jesus bringing a sword against flesh and blood.
Does Islam battle with Love or with hate? The hate Jesus exposes comes from an anti=christ who was already in the world.
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FreeMe
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Show me the primary source of Bible that Jesus said, he taught Christianity.
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Allah does not say any other religion is wrong. He calls them the disbelievers, those who are in doubt and others.
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Why does the Allah of the Quran need Muslims to fight and kill flesh and blood for Allah?
Cannot Allah fend for Allah?
Which is TRUE? To Love your enemy or Kill flesh and blood for Allah?
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CaptainPrudeman
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Uh…The Bible. Name a tenant of Christianity.
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FreeMe
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Does God speak to fight the unbelievers for flesh and blood for Him?
Who told you that? there is another Creator besides Allah
Please re-read again…
Allah states that there is no religion accepted with Him from any person, except Islam. In Quran says, “Truly the religion with Allah is Islam.” (3:19) and “And whoever seeks a religion other than Islam it will never be accepted of him and in the hereafter he will be one of the losers.” (3:85)
Muhammad was the Last Messenger and no prophet after him. So as the last Prophet he was to execute God’s command to abolish previous teachings because there is no new religion. Anyone who opposes Islam then he will be opposed to either good way, but if the unbelievers want to fight in the way of war then Muslims fight in the same way of war. Muslims fight for the sake of Allah not because of Muhammad.
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OriginalGabrielof12
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To follow Jesus Christ is to become or be Christian. A Christian follows the teachings of Jesus Christ. The Greatest of Jesus teachings and He leads all Christians by HIs example; Which is LOVE.
Matthew 16:24 Then Jesus said to his disciples, “Whoever wishes to come after me must deny himself,* take up his cross, and follow me.
25 For whoever wishes to save his life will lose it, but whoever loses his life for my sake will find it.*
Matthew 19:21 Jesus said to him, “If you wish to be perfect,* go, sell what you have and give to [the] poor, and you will have treasure in heaven. Then come, follow me.”
John 12:26 Whoever serves me must follow me, and where I am, there also will my servant be. The Father will honor whoever serves me
Jesus does not say follow His Christian teachings. Jesus says; “follow me” because Jesus is the Christ/Messiah who fulfills God’s Law and the Prophets. According to Jesus (Christian following), Jesus fulfills God’s Law and the Prophets, from this we can conclude, because Jesus fulfilled God’s Law and the Prophets, there are no more prophets in the world who will follow after Jesus to give or fulfill prophetic divine revelation of God.
Matthew 5:17* “Do not think that I have come to abolish the law or the prophets. I have come not to abolish but to fulfill.
18 Amen, I say to you, until heaven and earth pass away, not the smallest letter or the smallest part of a letter will pass from the law, until all things have taken place.m
19 Therefore, whoever breaks one of the least of these commandments and teaches others to do so will be called least in the kingdom of heaven. But whoever obeys and teaches these commandments will be called greatest in the kingdom of heaven.*
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If? the Quran comes from Allah, why does the Quran teach; “Kill the infidels”? What part of killing does not kill flesh and blood? according to the Quran.
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