Islamic teaching questions

[mhmtas63]

If God is one then why insist on three persons? Three persons mean three god! It looks like Greek mythology.

 

[mhmtas63]

No you did not answer my question.
"Can you reveal who was it that declared a false trinity revealed in the Quran?" A. Allah, B. Muhammad C. an angel named Gabriel.

The angel Gabriel recorded in the Gospels is a created Spirit.
The Holy Spirit divinely revealed by God in the Gospels is an un-created Holy Spirit = God’s Presence.
Does the Quran reveal another false claim? by claiming Gabriel to be an un-created “Holy Spirit”? What you claim here is blasphemy, making Gabriel a false god or the Quran reveals a contradiction of terms and makes another false claim, naming and isolating a created spirit to be the All Holy Divine Spirit of God.

It would appear that your interpretation of the Quran places the almighty One and Only God in a box, when the Quran restricts and limits Allah’s power, to make Allah’s Presence known to our humanity in space and time, which reveals a false and limited deity that does not have the power or will to make Allah’s presence known to Allah’s creation.

The Quran never denies or mentions the Only One True God, who makes His Presence known in the Persons of Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. This True Trinity is ONE GOD. Because the Quran never denies the True divinely revealed Trinity. Your false claim of the True Trinity to be polytheist comes from man and not from the Quran or God.

Peace be with you

Angel Gabriel is Holy Spirit and not God. Qur’an mentions that. Why you do contort the word? There is no a true Trinity! Trinity is false with all forms. It is your conjecture but not a revealed information.

 

[mhmtas63]

Christian bible has few minor mystic meaning of words due to translations between languages.

Your religious belief bases on the version of Quran after 750AD, Why Muslim/Islam does not worship with the authentic Quran while the 1st Quran looks much smaller than others in deed.

My question is:
What are the conflicts and any political fabrications between the present Quran and the 1st version of Abu Kahr or copy kept by Hafsah [Mohamad’s wife] and the 2nd one by order of Uthman and another very thick Othman Quran!

Or they are different divinity believes and different Mohammad?

It is more benefits for readers to understand mysteries about the Quran and the authentic verses you said about Muslim/Islam.

There have always be one Qur’an. What you say is about dialects of Arabic language. Quran is word of God and the meaning is eternal. So there are thousands of interpretations.

 

[mhmtas63]

The Holy Spirit divinely revealed by God in the Gospels is an un-created Holy Spirit =

All spirits are created. Holy Spirit got form of a dove. If Holy Spirit were God so God could take form of any thing! For instance a modern car or a home or a tree or any other animal. Perhaps the tree in my Garden is God, who knows?

 

[mhmtas63]

A question:

If Jesus were god just I wonder. Did God dwell into Jesus’s body by divine essence? Or do Jesus have another soul which animate body? Did Jesus(the god in body) deceive people that he was just a humanbeing but in fact he was a god? Or did Jesus always lie when He talked in that way: Father gave me all things. I mean if Jesus were equal to or same wit God(Father) why He talked in that way? Was it a lie? Or how many bodies God have? a dove! a ghost! a human! … Or you say God is three very accorded like minded? Three = three or three = one, which is true…

 

[theCardinalbird]

If God is one then why insist on three persons? Three persons mean three god! It looks like Greek mythology.

Well God’s Trinitarian nature was revealed by Jesus Christ in the Gospel in which the early Church understood the Trinitarian nature of our One God. Even in the Old Testament we find hints of God’s Trinitarian nature. It is not Greek mythology, it is the mystery of the Trinity. Here’s how I explain the Trinity

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[CaptainPrudeman]

Islamic faith(Tawhid) is established through pure revelation. But doctrines of Church were established through philosophical interpretations and mysteries. Which ground is sure?

Once again, as Catholics we believe that Muhammad’s “revelation” was, quite frankly, a bunch of lies. There’s no merit to the Qur’an in our eyes.

If Jesus were god just I wonder. Did God dwell into Jesus’s body by divine essence? Or do Jesus have another soul which animate body? Did Jesus(the god in body) deceive people that he was just a humanbeing but in fact he was a god? Or did Jesus always lie when He talked in that way: Father gave me all things. I mean if Jesus were equal to or same wit God(Father) why He talked in that way? Was it a lie? Or how many bodies God have? a dove! a ghost! a human! … Or you say God is three very accorded like minded? Three = three or three = one, which is true…

Jesus was entirely God and entirely human. He was both because God isn’t limited by anything and can do that. Same with the trinity: We can only comprehend three distinct entities as separate, but God is 3 distinct entities in one being.

 

[mhmtas63]

Here’s how I explain the Trinity

I see three persons and if both are god so it make three gods. I am not a Pagan!

 

[mhmtas63]

Well God’s Trinitarian nature was revealed by Jesus Christ in the Gospel in which the early Church understood the Trinitarian nature of our One God.

Just that is not true. Jesus never taught such thing. Jesus always pointed Father as unique God. The Trinatirian thought emerged and spread through Rome which was Paganist.

 

[theCardinalbird]

Just that is not true. Jesus never taught such thing. Jesus always pointed Father as unique God. The Trinatirian thought emerged and spread through Rome which was Paganist.

The Gospel speaks of a Trinitarian nature to God. I should know. I’m Catholic after all. We are not pagan and have always seen God as one.

 

[mhmtas63]

The Gospel speaks of a Trinitarian nature to God

That is merely through strained interpretations. Otherwise Jesus said that He was a human and prophet as Qur’an mentions

30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. Matthew 24

44 For Jesus himself testified, that a prophet hath no honour in his own country. John 4

 

[theCardinalbird]

That is merely through strained interpretations. Otherwise Jesus said that He was a human and prophet as Qur’an mentions

Really? Then why did Jesus say:
Matthew
28:19. Going therefore, teach ye all nations: baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Ghost.

28:20. Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you. And behold I am with you all days, even to the consummation of the world.

John

10:27. My sheep hear my voice. And I know them: and they follow me.

10:28. And I give them life everlasting: and they shall not perish for ever. And no man shall pluck them out of my hand.

10:29. That which my Father hath given me is greater than all: and no one can snatch them out of the hand of my Father.

10:30. I and the Father are one.

(I and the Father are one… That is, one divine nature, but two distinct persons.)

10:31. The Jews then took up stones to stone him.

10:32. Jesus answered them: Many good works I have shewed you from my Father. For which of those works do you stone me?

With all due respect, Your Qur’an has no authority in Christianity and was written centuries after Jesus Christ walked the Earth. I think I will settle on the Apostles words over Muhammad.

 

[mhmtas63]

Really? Then why did Jesus say:

28:19. Going therefore, teach ye all nations: baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Ghost.

28:20. Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you. And behold I am with you all days, even to the consummation of the world.

So you claim Jesus say Son and Holy Spirit are god? As I mentioned that is just a strained interpretation. Jesus do not say Son and Holy Spirit are gods. Jesus were suppported by Holy Spirit so Jesus were served much by Holy Spirit. There is a very explicit fact that Jesus do not attribute Himself and Holy Spirit the divine attributes.

Jesus will return close to end of world. We know many moraly high people(Awliyas) who could help their disciples through miraculous way even after death. If we should think as you do so we woould have many gods.

 

[theCardinalbird]

So you claim Jesus say Son and Holy Spirit are god? As I mentioned that is just a strained interpretation. Jesus do not say Son and Holy Spirit are gods. Jesus were suppported by Holy Spirit so Jesus were served much by Holy Spirit. There is a very explicit fact that Jesus do not attribute Himself and Holy Spirit the divine attributes.

I only claim what Jesus was claiming. The very fact that he wanted the Apostles to baptize people in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit means he saw them all as equal but one because he only used the word “name”

Jesus will return close to end of world. We know many moraly high people(Awliyas) who could help their disciples through miraculous way even after death. If we should think as you do so we woould have many gods.

But you do not think like me nor know the mystery of the Trinity. I only believe in One God and only one God. You do not understand Christianity

 

[theCardinalbird]

I encourage you to read this article as it may offer insight to your predicament with the Trinity:

Explaining the Trinity | Catholic Answers Magazine

 

[mhmtas63]

36 “But about that day or hour no one knows, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son,[a] but only the Father. Matthew 24.

25 ¶ At that time Jesus answered and said, I thank thee, O Father, Lord of heaven and earth, because thou hast hid these things from the wise and prudent, and hast revealed them unto babes. Matthew 11

29 My Father, which gave them me, is greater than all; and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father’s hand. John 10

Here Jesus do not say Son equals to Father but Father is superior and unique Lord.

 

[theCardinalbird]

Here Jesus do not say Son equals to Father but Father is superior and unique Lord.

Yet he also says, “I and the Father are One” in John 10:30

 

[mhmtas63]

Yet he also says, “I and the Father are One” in John 10:30

Why do you not cite the whole story. Jesus explained what “I and the Father are One” means:

30 I and my Father are one.

31 Then the Jews took up stones again to stone him.

32 Jesus answered them, Many good works have I shewed you from my Father; for which of those works do ye stone me?

33 The Jews answered him, saying, For a good work we stone thee not; but for blasphemy; and because that thou, being a man, makest thyself God.

34 Jesus answered them, Is it not written in your law, I said, Ye are gods?

35 If he called them gods, unto whom the word of God came, and the scripture cannot be broken;

 

[theCardinalbird]

Yes I know and the interpretation of him being one with the Father (as in Divine nature) still stands:

10:30. I and the Father are one.

I and the Father are one… That is, one divine nature, but two distinct persons.

10:31. The Jews then took up stones to stone him.

10:32. Jesus answered them: Many good works I have shewed you from my Father. For which of those works do you stone me?

10:33. The Jews answered him: For a good work we stone thee not, but for blasphemy: and because that thou being a, man, makest thyself God.

10:34. Jesus answered them: Is it not written in your law: I said, you are gods?

10:35. If he called them gods to whom the word of God was spoken; and the scripture cannot be broken:

10:36. Do you say of him whom the Father hath sanctified and sent into the world: Thou blasphemest; because I said: I am the Son of God?

10:37. If I do not the works of my Father, believe me not.

Read the article I posted to you

 

[toddy]

Chronicles 89:27 I will appoint him to be my firstborn son, the most exalted of the earth’s kings.

John 16:28 Jesus said “I came forth from the Father and have come into the world; I am leaving the world again and going to the Father."

John 6:38 Jesus said “For I have come down from heaven, not to do My own will, but the will of Him who sent Me.

John 10:30 “I and the Father are one.”

John 14:28 Jesus said “the Father is greater than I”.

John 18:36-37: Jesus answered, 'My kingdom is not of this world. If My kingdom were of this world, then My servants would be fighting”

Jesus, saying - I, am the light of the world

Act 22:9 He told me, "I’m Jesus from Nazareth, whom you are persecuting.’ The men who were with me saw the light but didn’t understand.

Jesus is the first born of Almighty God before all creatures and angels and He is the Creator’s Godly Son, his Kingdom is not on this world and He is the Light.

Private revelation: Jesus had me into His Light few times. I had perfect happiness.
Thanks the Father, the Son Jesus and the Holy Spirit blessed me.