Islamic teaching questions

[mhmtas63]

The Quran never denies the True Trinity because the Quran never clarifies the True Trinity.

I repeat again:

80- Nor could he order you to take the angels and prophets as lords. Would he order you to disbelief after you had been Muslims? Ali-Imran

angel(Holy Spirit), prophet(Jesus)

You see Qur’an rejects “true Trinity”!

 

[Reuben_J]

Even if it rejects true Trinity, which you know now, your Quran was still wrong about it. It was wrong about the Trinity. Only a lowly educated person could be wrong on something that was already established.

God does not make very elementary error like that, unless the ‘god’ of the Quran is ignorant on such matter.

 

[CaptainPrudeman]

Another issue in verse 41 it is said that Jesus “kneeled down”. That is Sajdah which Muslims do during pray and worship. Why do Christians not worship in that way?

I don’t know what kind of Christians you hang out around, but I usually pray on my knees. We do it in mass too, if we’re Americans.

I say again, why would Jesus order his followers to baptize in the name of God, a human, and the angel Gabriel? Furthermore, why do Muslims not practice baptism in this way if Jesus ordered his disciples to?

 

[Niblo]

In each of the following posts I shall be addressing OriginalGabrielof 12.

This is my understanding of the Holy Trinity:

The Fourth Lateran Council (1215) declared: ‘We firmly believe and simply confess that there is only one true God, eternal and immeasurable, almighty, unchangeable, incomprehensible and ineffable, Father, Son and Holy Spirit, three persons but one absolutely simple essence, substance or nature.’ (Constitutions: 1. Confession of Faith).

The Council of Basel (1431-45 A.D.) decreed: ‘First, then, the holy Roman church, founded on the words of our Lord and Saviour, firmly believes, professes and preaches one true God, almighty, immutable and eternal, Father, Son and Holy Spirit; one in essence, three in persons……………… These three persons are one God not three gods, because there is one substance of the three, one essence, one nature, one Godhead, one immensity, one eternity……. Therefore it condemns, reproves, anathematizes and declares to be outside the body of Christ, which is the church, whoever holds opposing or contrary views. Hence it condemns Sabellius, who confused the persons and altogether removed their real distinction. It condemns the Arians, the Eunomians and the Macedonians who say that only the Father is true God and place the Son and the holy Spirit in the order of creatures. It also condemns any others who make degrees or inequalities in the Trinity.’ (Session 114).

The Council decreed: ‘Also it holds, professes and teaches that one and the same Son of God and of man, our lord Jesus Christ, is perfect in divinity and perfect in humanity; true God and true man, of a rational soul and a body; consubstantial with the Father as regards his divinity, consubstantial with us as regards his humanity; like us in all respects except for sin; begotten before the ages from the Father, and in the last days the same born according to his humanity for us and our salvation from Mary the virgin mother of God.’ (Session 13).

The Church teaches that the Second Person of the Trinity (the ‘Divine Logos) is united ‘Hypostatically’ to Christ, and that this union took place at the moment of his conception. It is also a doctrine of the Church that in the ‘hypostatic union’ each of Yeshua’s two natures (Divine and human) continue untransformed, unimpaired and unmixed with the other; and that this ‘Union’ will never end.

 

[Niblo]

You write: ‘The Quran adds insult to injury on Christian beliefs, when the Quran identifies a heretical Jesus that never existed in Christianity.’

You will be familiar with the ‘Gloria’; an ancient doxology. The Latin translation of the Gloria is attributed to Hilary of Poiters – a Bishop and Doctor of the Church. It is said that he learned of it while in the East; around 359-360 CE. It is associated with the Vetus Latina – a collection of Latin manuscripts that existed before the Vulgate – and it would have been known to the Christians of Arabia. It is very probable that it formed part of their liturgy or private devotions; as it does in the Church today. Here is it:

‘Glory to God in the highest, and on earth peace to people of good will. We praise you, we bless you, we adore you, we glorify you, we give you thanks for your great glory; Lord God, heavenly King; O God, almighty Father.

‘Lord Jesus Christ, Only Begotten Son, Lord God, Lamb of God, Son of the Father, you take away the sins of the world, have mercy on us; you take away the sins of the world, receive our prayer. You are seated at the right hand of the Father, have mercy on us. For you alone are the Holy One, you alone are the Lord, you alone are the Most High, Jesus Christ, with the Holy Spirit, in the glory of God the Father. Amen.’

What is being condemned in the Qur’an are notions current among the Christian community in Arabia at the time it was revealed; along with the people who expressed them. I doubt that you will find anything ‘heretical’ in the Gloria.

 

[Niblo]

You write: ‘My position is, Muslims pose a false argument against the True Trinity, because the Quran never rejects the True Trinity. So the Muslim argues that the Quran rejects all forms of Trinity, which sounds like an argument invented by Muslims, and does not come from the Quran.’

In order to demonstrate that the Qur’an does not support the doctrine of the Trinity it is necessary only to consider what it has to say about the nature of Yeshua (ʿalayhi as-salām).

In Surah Al’Imran we read:

‘We relate to you (Muhammad) this revelation, a decisive statement. Truly the likeness of Jesus in the sight of Allāh is that of Adam; He created him (Adam) from dust, said to him, ‘Be’, and he was. This is the truth from your Lord, so do not be one of those who doubt.’ (58-60).

Seyyed Hossein Nasr writes:

'It is reported that these verses were revealed while a Christian delegation from Najrān - one of whom was said to be honored by the Byzantines for his knowledge of religion - was in Madinah. These Christians reportedly argued that since Jesus had no human father, he was truly God’s son.

‘Verse 59 - ‘‘Truly the likeness of Jesus in the sight of Allāh is that of Adam; He created him from dust, said to him, ‘Be’, and he was’’ constitutes one of the central arguments in the Quran against the divinity of Christ. It acknowledges the miraculous nature of his birth, but rejects the implication that this makes him Divine. If God could create Adam, who had neither earthly father nor mother, from dust, he could also create Jesus from the ‘‘blood’’ of Mary.’ (‘The Study Quran: A New Translation and Commentary’).

It is worth noting that Eve had no human father either. What Christian would suggest that this makes her a goddess?

 

[Niblo]

In Surah Al-Nisa we read:

‘People of the Book, do not go to excess in your religion, and do not say anything about Allāh except the truth: the Messiah, Jesus, son of Mary, was nothing more than a messenger of Allāh, His word, directed to Mary, a spirit from Him. So, believe in Allāh and His messengers and do not speak of a three - stop (this), that is better for you - Allāh is only one God, He is far above having a son, everything in the heavens and earth belongs to Him and He is the best one to trust. The Messiah would never disdain to be a servant of Allāh, nor would the angels who are close to Him.’ (171-172).

The ‘word’ that was directed to Mary (radi Allahu 'anha) was ‘Be’ (‘kun’). This is the word by which Allāh (subḥānahu ūta’āla) creates all things: ‘…… He is the All Knowing Creator: when He wills something to be, His way is to say, ‘‘Be’’ – and it is! So glory be to Him in whose Hand lies control over all things. It is to Him that you will all be brought back.’ (Ya Sin: 81-83).

The words: ‘a spirit from Him’ refer to Yeshua’s created spirit (soul); one that was pure; free from any taint of sin or corruption – as all souls are at the moment of conception (according to Islamic theology).

This Surah makes it clear that Yeshua is not divine.

 

[Niblo]

In Surah Al-Ma’ida we read:

'Those who say: ‘‘Allāh is the Messiah, the son of Mary,’’ are defying the truth. Say: '‘If it had been Allāh’s will, could anyone have prevented Him from destroying the Messiah, son of Mary, together with his mother and everyone else on earth? Control of the heavens and earth and all that is between them belongs to Allāh: He creates whatever He will**. Allāh has power over everything.’; and again: ‘Those who say: ‘‘Allāh is the Messiah, son of Mary,’’ have defied Allāh. The Messiah himself said: ‘‘Children of Israel, worship Allāh, my Lord and your Lord.’’ If anyone associates others with Allāh, Allāh will forbid him from the Garden, and Hell will be his home. No one will help such evildoers.’ (17; 72).

** This includes His creation of Yeshua without a father.

Take note of the words: ‘Say: ‘‘If it had been Allāh’s will, could anyone have prevented Him from destroying the Messiah….’’’? The destruction spoken of here means absolute annihilation; a return to the nothingness out of which all things were created.

As you know, Trinitarians claim that Yeshua (the Messiah) possesses two natures, one of which is divine. In what way could his (alleged) divine nature be destroyed? Are we to believe that Allāh (subḥānahu ūta’āla) can annililate Himself?

The Surah makes it abundantly clear: Those who attribute divinity to Yeshua; who make him a partner to Allāh (subḥānahu ūta’āla) are in error. They are guilty of shirk.

Geoffrey Parrinder writes:

'Especially grave in Muslim eyes is shirk, ‘‘association’’ of anyone with God, giving God a partner, and generally anything that is in opposition to Quranic monotheism. Shirk is denounced in many verses of the Qur’ān.’ (‘Jesus in the Qur’an - Makers of the Muslim World’).

 

[Niblo]

From the Nicene Creed:

‘I believe in one God, the Father almighty, maker of heaven and earth and of all things visible and invisible. And in one Lord Jesus Christ, the only-begotten Son of God, begotten of the Father before all ages, God of God, Light of Light, very God of very God, begotten not made…….’

In Surah Al-Ikhlas we read:

‘Say: ‘‘He is Allāh the One, Allāh the eternal. He begot no one nor was He begotten. No one is comparable to Him.’’’ (1-4).

Allāh (subḥānahu ūta’āla) makes clear that He has begotten no one. Nor was He begotten. This is a clear denial of the Nicene Creed, and of the Trinity.

Concerning the Oneness of Allāh (subḥānahu ūta’āla):

Geoffrey Parrinder writes: ‘The Qur’ān denies Christian heresies of Adoption, Patripassianism, and Mariolatry. But it affirms the Unity, which is at the basis of trinitarian doctrine.’ (‘Jesus in the Qur’an - Makers of the Muslim World’).

Pinder is correct to say that the Qur’an denies notions of Adoption, Patripassianism, and Mariolatry; but he is quite wrong to suggest that it: ‘affirms the Unity, which is at the basis of trinitarian doctrine.’ It most certainly does not.

Louay Fatoohi writes: 'Under pressure to reconcile contradictory statements in the New Testament, Christian theologians work hard to stress that the concepts of divine oneness and unity are one and the same. The Qur’an rejects this equation, as logic does. The God of the Qur’an is one, not united." (‘Jesus The Muslim Prophet: History Speaks of a Human Messiah Not a Divine Christ’).

 

[Niblo]

And (finally)this from Mark:

‘And one of the scribes came, and having heard them reasoning together, and perceiving that he had answered them well, asked him, Which is the first commandment of all? And Jesus answered him, The first of all the commandments is, Hear, O Israel; The Lord our God is one Lord.’ (12: 28-29; KJV).

‘Sh’ma Yisrael Adonai Eloheinu Adonai Eḥad’. One Lord. One God. This is tawḥīd.

‘Lā ʾilāha ʾillā llāh’ (There is no god but God). One Lord. One God. This, too, is tawḥīd.

The entirety of Islamic teaching rests on the principle of tawḥīd, meaning ‘oneness’. This is Islam’s most fundament concept: Allāh (subḥānahu ūta’āla) is One (Al-'Aḥad) and Single (Al-Wāḥid).

The word ‘trinity’ is just another way of saying ‘tri-unity’; the unity of three persons that is said to exist within the Godhead. In the Trinitarian Godhead there is not one Lord, but three. We can see this very clearly in the following song:

'God the Father, God the Son, God the Spirit, three in one. God the Father loves me so, Gave His Word so I would know. God the Father, God the Son, God the Spirit three in one.

'Three in one and one in three, God the Son, He died for me. For my sins His blood He gave, then He rose up from the grave. Three in one and one in three, God the Son He died for me.

‘Three in one and one and one in three, God the Spirit lives in me. Day by day and hour by hour- Helps me witness by His power. Three in one and one in three, God the Spirit lives in me.’ (Produced for children by the CEF Press).

Search all you like, you will find nothing in the Qur’an, and nothing in the 'aḥādīth, to support the notion that Allāh (subḥānahu ūta’āla) is a trinity (three in one and one in three).

Thank you for your patience. Peace be on you, also.

 

[mhmtas63]

I don’t know what kind of Christians you hang out around, but I usually pray on my knees. We do it in mass too, if we’re Americans.

I say again, why would Jesus order his followers to baptize in the name of God, a human, and the angel Gabriel? Furthermore, why do Muslims not practice baptism in this way if Jesus ordered his disciples to?

I know not so many Christians but I see seats in Churchs and Christians worship only in Churchs(as much I know!)

That verse do not mean directly that both Son and Holy Spirit share deity with Father. There is no a direct meaning from that verse. But that thought emerge from interpretations. Because worships only could be done for God. That is true. I search meaning of Baptism. As much I understood is that Baptism means that it is a requirement and symbol of believing in Jesus and His religion. All right why Jesus order to do that in the name of Father, Son and Holy Spirit? What I understand is that Jesus were given great authority and were supported by Holy Spirit. That is also mentioned in Qur’an:

87- And We did certainly give Moses the Torah and followed up after him with messengers. And We gave Jesus, the son of Mary, clear proofs and supported him with the Pure Spirit. But is it [not] that every time a messenger came to you, [O Children of Israel], with what your souls did not desire, you were arrogant? And a party [of messengers] you denied and another party you killed. Al-Baqarah(2)

45- [And mention] when the angels said, "O Mary, indeed Allah gives you good tidings of a word from Him, whose name will be the Messiah, Jesus, the son of Mary – distinguished in this world and the Hereafter and among those brought near [to Allah]. Ali-Imran(3)

Holy Spirit were in every stage of Jesus life during period of preaching as a prophet. Jesus ordered disciples to call all nations to believe in Him and get in His religion. His religion and faith were revealed by Father and supported by Holy Spirit. It was an union. But that union was not in deity just in acting. So Jesus ordered in that way. We understand this meaning through exact passage especially from the previous and next verses.

18 And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth.

19 ¶ Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:

20 Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen.

After all the meaning of Son and Holy Spirit are equal in deity with Father is a faraway meaning. An issue which is interested in faith could not be established from such a confused interpretation. If Jesus would teach such thing so He would do that by a very clear and certain way.

 

[mhmtas63]

Furthermore, why do Muslims not practice baptism in this way if Jesus ordered his disciples to?

Muslims’ Baptism is performed very frequently. When a human decide to become Muslim to be clear for Islam and Qur’an and worships so he must take “full ablution” which is washing the whole body. And also Muslims do that after sexual intercourse and ejaculate.

 

[CaptainPrudeman]

I know not so many Christians but I see seats in Churchs and Christians worship only in Churchs(as much I know!)

Again, that’s incorrect. We worship everywhere, usually in prayer.

That verse do not mean directly that both Son and Holy Spirit share deity with Father. There is no a direct meaning from that verse. But that thought emerge from interpretations. Because worships only could be done for God.

Then why baptize in the name of a human, an angel, and the single God?

That is true. I search meaning of Baptism. As much I understood is that Baptism means that it is a requirement and symbol of believing in Jesus and His religion. All right why Jesus order to do that in the name of Father, Son and Holy Spirit? What I understand is that Jesus were given great authority and were supported by Holy Spirit.

We baptize because Jesus told us to. Great authority wouldn’t trump the primacy of God, though. Again, why baptize in the name of a human?

After all the meaning of Son and Holy Spirit are equal in deity with Father is a faraway meaning. An issue which is interested in faith could not be established from such a confused interpretation. If Jesus would teach such thing so He would do that by a very clear and certain way.

I honestly don’t see why it isn’t clear.

Muslims’ Baptism is performed very frequently. When a human decide to become Muslim to be clear for Islam and Qur’an and worships so he must take “full ablution” which is washing the whole body. And also Muslims do that after sexual intercourse and ejaculate.

Is it done in the name of the Father, of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit each time?

 

[Reuben_J]

I know not so many Christians but I see seats in Churchs and Christians worship only in Churchs(as much I know!)

That verse do not mean directly that both Son and Holy Spirit share deity with Father. There is no a direct meaning from that verse.

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[OriginalGabrielof12]

I repeat again:

80- Nor could he order you to take the angels and prophets as lords. Would he order you to disbelief after you had been Muslims? Ali-Imran
angel(Holy Spirit), prophet(Jesus)

You see Qur’an rejects “true Trinity”!

mhmtas63, you have a problem here, because I agree with Ali-Imran. I nor any Catholic Christian has ever made any angel or prophet as Lord (s). What you comment here does not justify any argument against the True Trinity.
Was it Ali-Imran who introduced a false trinity into the Quran?

 

[OriginalGabrielof12]

I will answer just for “passion”. Jesus never wished such thing:

22:41	And he was withdrawn from them about a stone’s cast, and kneeled down, and prayed,
22:42	_**	Saying, Father, if thou be willing, remove this cup from me: nevertheless not my will, but thine, be done.
22:43	And there appeared an angel unto him from heaven, strengthening him.
22:44	And being in an agony he prayed more earnestly: and his sweat was as it were great drops of blood falling down to the ground.

As you see Jesus was informed about “crucifixion” so Jesus prayed Father to save Him. If that were by Jesus’s wish so Jesus would not pray for His salvation. And Father(God) accepted Jesus’s request and saved Jesus from crucifixion in a miraculous way which we always argue. If that happened by way Qur’an explain(certainly it happened vy that way because God say in Qur’an) then all other doctrines are invalid. Allah know the best.

mhmtas63, what you mention about the passion of Christ begins the path of Jesus Christ fulfilling the Law and the prophets. Jesus informed His disciples, that these things (Passion, Crucifixion, death, resurrection) must take place in order to fulfill God’s Covenant Laws and Prophecies. Jesus being fully Human suffered His Passion for you and I. Jesus fulfilled all these prophecies for our sake, in order to give us an eternal covenant of eternal life.
What you left out from Jesus Agony in the Garden, includes Jesus betrayal by His friends, Jesus being hit and mocked during a religious and secular trial, not to mention a historical figure Pilate who had Jesus stripped and flogged to near death, One of Jesus first disciples denied Him three times, after being mocked by Roman Soldiers, Jesus suffered the way of the cross, then crucified, mocked while hanging on the cross, and speared through His side. All of these things took place and more fulfill the prophecies of God.
Yes Jesus suffered in His Full Humanity for our sake, so that we can inherit eternal life. This eternal life is promised and made a reality because Jesus resurrected from the dead.
Jesus foretold of His passion to His disciples who rejected it. Jesus while walking the earth in His full humanity forgave sin, healed the blind, raised the dead. In these miracles Jesus fulfilled prophecies, only God can fulfill God’s Word.
In fact from Jesus birth to His death fulfills over 400 prophetic prophecies recorded in the Old Testament. A prophet alone can never fulfill one prophecy of God.
And Yes, I kneel and pray at every Mass and every time I pray my rosary at home or abroad. This Tradition has been practiced in the West since the first century.
Peace be with you

 

[OriginalGabrielof12]

Let me add my personal commentary which does not conflict with the Church Councils nor the early Church Fathers. See if this helps clarify what the Quran never does;
TRINITY

God is ONE God who revealed divine revelation from eternity in space and time in Trinity. God is divine revelation made present in the distinct persons of the Father, Son, Holy Spirit.

The distinct persons of the Father, Son, Holy Spirit are not divided, nor confused in nature and divine Essence eternal One God in divine Essence.

That life of the eternal divine, when made present in space and time is revealed distinctly by the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit.

The Father makes His PRESENCE known in space and time in Voice who speaks (sends). The Voice of God, who is the first Person of the Trinity, that is heard by divine revelation (in space and time), we call Father who is Person made Presence because that which is God= Father=Voice is never divided or separated from His Word or Breath, the Three are One God. THus the Voice of God is made present in space and time, that which is present of God is Personal Presence or Person living.

The Son makes His PRESENCE known in space and time in the Word of God who is God incarnate. The Word of God is the second person of the Trinity. The Voice of God or the Father sends His Word who is Son. That which is Word = God is Person in Presence made known in space and time. Here, the Son can give divine revelation of the Trinity, when the Son proclaims “the Father and the Son are ONE”, I (the Son) am in the Father and the Father is in me (the Son)", “When you see me (the Son) you have seen the Father”. Because the Word who is God proceeds from the Father =Voice.

When the Father or Voice of God sends His Word. We do not separate the Father = Voice of God from His Word who is God. Here we can say the Son makes the Father known, simply the Word which proceeds from the Voice is ONE in Essence divine, (We do not separate the (Father) Voice of God from the (Son) Word of God) yet the Word =Son is distinctly known in presence from the Voice who is distinctly known as the Father.

For example; The Father is made known in the Voice who speaks is God, that Word of God which proceeds from and in the Voice of God as One, never separated, is the Son of the Father, who makes known divine revelation of the Father (Voice). That which the Word of God makes known in presence ie… space and time, proceeds divine revelation in and through the Holy Spirit who is God. Thus, the Father sends His Word (Son) and the Word (Son) makes known divine revelation when divine revelation proceeds from the Father and the Son in the Holy Spirit to part that divine revelation in space and time or creation. God who is life speaks; Voice, Word, Breath all three are distinct from one another in divine Presence, yet God is eternally One God, because the Voice that speaks is never separated from the Word that is heard and when God is heard divine revelation proceeds from the Voice and the Word in the Holy Spirit who parts divine revelation to our hearts and mind in understanding of divine revelation…

cont;

 

[OriginalGabrielof12]

cont;
The Father and the Son although, distinctly known (in space and time) from their respected distinct PRESENCE = (PERSON), Father =Voice, Son =Word. The Father and the Son are never divided or separated from divine eternal Essence present.

When the Word of God became God incarnate. The Word of God, the Father sends, became flesh. Here the Word of God incarnate can divinely reveal that the Father is greater than the Son. Because the Son who is the Word of God incarnate is present in space and time. When the Father never proceeds, who is Presence Eternal. That which is Eternal Present (Father) is greater than that which is Present in space and time (Son).

Here Jesus the Word of God incarnate can divinely reveal the Father ( Eternal Presence) is Greater than the Son (Presence in space and time).

Divine revelation reveals in space and time, that God is Spirit and God is Love. That Spirit and that Love we call Holy Spirit who is the third Person (God’s Presence made known in space and time) of the Trinity of God’s personal distinct Presence. The Presence of the Holy Spirit proceeds from the Father and the Son in ONE Spiration of Love. All three are Personal distinct Presence of God, Who makes divine revelation known in the Father. Son, Holy Spirit.

In summary, When God speaks His Word, God the Holy Spirit makes divine revelation known to our hearts and mind, what the Son divinely revealed of the Father. Simply, When God speaks, the Trinity does not divide God, by separating God’s Voice from His Word and God who is Love, When Love proceeds from and in the Voice and Word who are all distinct in divine Presence Father, Son, Holy Spirit is ONE GOD, never separated, divided or confused.

No man, made doctrine can define God, or exhaust the definition of divine revelation, made known in the Trinity of the divine personal Godhead.

Those who try and protest against divine revelation made known in the Trinity of persons. Try and separate God from His Voice, His Word and His Love. When all three are distinct in Presence yet never divided or separated. What man attempts to separate a Father who speaks from His Word and from His Love. Yet when the Father speaks we know His Voice from His Word = Son and His Love = Holy Spirit, When divine revelation proceeds from the Father and the Son in the Holy Spirit.

In conclusion; all that is said here; does not touch on the divine revelation of the blessed Trinity.

Peace be with you
By; Original Gabriel of 12

 

[OriginalGabrielof12]

You will be familiar with the ‘Gloria’; an ancient doxology. The Latin translation of the Gloria is attributed to Hilary of Poiters – a Bishop and Doctor of the Church. It is said that he learned of it while in the East; around 359-360 CE. It is associated with the Vetus Latina – a collection of Latin manuscripts that existed before the Vulgate – and it would have been known to the Christians of Arabia. It is very probable that it formed part of their liturgy or private devotions; as it does in the Church today. Here is it:

You are mistaken; The Gloria is a first century Palestinian divine revelation, given to us by the heavenly Choir of Angels, recorded from the Gospels to Shepherds in the field which Pre-announced the coming of the Messiah Jesus see Physician Luke 2:14… Now what you mention here all Liturgical celebrations were handed down the Gloria. Some languages, culture’s, or traditions may have modified it some throughout the ages, nevertheless the Gloria was given to us from heaven, and celebrated in all Catholic Liturgies both East and West.
I would have to disagree with you. The Gloria is never an ancient doxology but a divine revelation from heaven that preannounced the birth of Jesus Christ Messiah and Emmanuel = God with us.

 

[OriginalGabrielof12]

What is being condemned in the Qur’an are notions current among the Christian community in Arabia at the time it was revealed; along with the people who expressed them. I doubt that you will find anything ‘heretical’ in the Gloria.

There is nothing heretical about the Gloria practiced in Liturgy. What is heretical is when one denies the full humanity/ full divinity of Jesus Christ. There have been excommunicated Christian heretics who deny Jesus humanity before the Quran enters history, maybe it was to these heretics ,the Quran is addressing,who denied Jesus full humanity? And there were excommunicated Christian heretics who denied Jesus divinity before the Quran entered history. Maybe it was to these ancient heresies the Quran addresses?
But the Quran does not deny the True Trinity believed in by Catholic Christians since the first century.