Israel 'ready for escalation' of Gaza conflict

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EmperorNapoleon said:
So I could go from, for example, packing a warehouse full of innocent Palestinian women and children then firing white phosphorous shells at it one day to putting on civilian clothes and being off-limits the next? Must be a comforting thought.
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No. Compulsory conscription is three years for men and two years for women. During that time they are actively serving in the military. After, if they chose not to stay on, they are civilians again,do not serve in the military, and cannot be conscripted again.

From what I have read, about 50% of potential conscriptees do not even end up serving in the military. A lot of people claim exemptions, mostly women.

By the way, what you wrote is very uncharitable and slanderous against Israelis. It also reeks of Anti-Semitism.

What point are you trying to make? What does this have to do with what I posted?
 
7_Sorrows said:
First of all Emperor Napolean, Canada is not governed by a terrorist organization and Canada accepts the existence of America.
You can’t make the comparison.
What is it about terrorism you fail to see?
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Maybe,7 Sorrows, it’ s the other way round. Maybe there is something that Emperor sees that we fail to see. A different perspective.
 
EmperorNapoleon said:
Here’s some light reading for you then.
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By the way, this is for you:
On 1 April 2011, Goldstone published a piece in The Washington Post titled ‘Reconsidering the Goldstone Report on Israel and war crimes’. Goldstone noted that the subsequent investigations by Israel and recognized in the U.N. committee’s report “indicate that civilians were not intentionally targeted as a matter of policy” while “the crimes allegedly committed by Hamas were intentional goes without saying.” The other principal authors of the UN report, Hina Jilani, Christine Chinkin and Desmond Travers, have rejected Goldstone’s reassessment arguing that there is “no justification for any demand or expectation for reconsideration of the report as nothing of substance has appeared that would in anyway change the context, findings or conclusions of that report with respect to any of the parties to the Gaza conflict”.[15][16]
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Goldstone’s statement
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Goldstone further expressed regret “that our fact-finding mission did not have such evidence explaining the circumstances in which we said civilians in Gaza were targeted, because it probably would have influenced our findings about intentionality and war crimes”. Goldstone’s revised view concerned the intentional targeting of civilians, not other war crimes alleged in the report to have been committed by Israel. Such other crimes included causing civilian casualties by using a disproportionate level of force and attacks on buildings concerning which there was no indication they were legitimate military targets.[222]
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Source: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Nations_Fact_Finding_Mission_on_the_Gaza_Conflict#Goldstone.27s_retraction_of_civilian_targeting_claim
 
freeRadical said:
By the way, this is for you…
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Who knows what Goldstone’s motives are. The facts are clear and the other authors of the report stand by them. Facts which come directly from the mouths of the Israeli soldiers who were there.
 
EmperorNapoleon said:
Who knows what Goldstone’s motives are. The facts are clear and the other authors of the report stand by them. Facts which come directly from the mouths of the Israeli soldiers who were there.
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The facts are not clear. Why should I believe the authors of the report over Goldstone, who was the jurist in charge? You claim he has “motivations” to change his mind. Do you have proof of that?

By the way, I am still waiting for proof that Israeli soldiers “packed Palestinian women and children into a warehouse and then intentionally fired on them”.
 
freeRadical said:
The facts are not clear. Why should I believe the authors of the report over Goldstone, who was the jurist in charge? You claim he has “motivations” to change his mind. Do you have proof of that?

By the way, I am still waiting for proof that Israeli soldiers “packed Palestinian women and children into a warehouse and then intentionally fired on them”.
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If you refuse to accept the facts presented in the report then there is nothing more I can do for you. Like I said, I don’t know what Goldstone’s motivation was for making an about face, but whatever it is doesn’t counter the proof in the report.
 
EmperorNapoleon said:
If you refuse to accept the facts presented in the report then there is nothing more I can do for you. Like I said, I don’t know what Goldstone’s motivation was for making an about face, but whatever it is doesn’t counter the proof in the report.
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You claim they are facts, I claim they are allegations.

Obviously, it does counter the report. He was in charge of the report.

By the way, that report also claims that Hamas was guilty of war crimes and intentionally targeting civilians. Do they get a free pass?

You still have not cited specific proof of your claim.
 
freeRadical said:
You claim they are facts, I claim they are allegations.

Obviously, it does counter the report. He was in charge of the report.

By the way, that report also claims that Hamas was guilty of war crimes and intentionally targeting civilians. Do they get a free pass?
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Ohh I see. So Goldstone may not be right after all when you mine the report for dirt on Hamas, eh? You really tipped your hand there. Its a funny thing. There are some people in the world who could witness the IDF gun down an innocent Palestinian child right in front of them and they’d still deny such things ever happened. But any rumor, any unsubstantiated allegation, any excuse from Israel about their egregious abuse of Palestinians is the gospel truth.
 
EmperorNapoleon said:
Ohh I see. So Goldstone may not be right after all when you mine the report for dirt on Hamas, eh? You really tipped your hand there. Its a funny thing. There are some people in the world who could witness the IDF gun down an innocent Palestinian child right in front of them and they’d still deny such things ever happened. But any rumor, any unsubstantiated allegation, any excuse from Israel about their egregious abuse of Palestinians is the gospel truth.
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You do know that Goldstone only changed his mind about Israeli targeting of civilians right? He did not change his mind about the allegations against Hamas.

All I see from you is unsubstantiated allegations of IDF soldiers gunning down innocent Palestinians with no proof. At the same time, you back Hamas even though the same allegations have been levied against them. But it’s all right when Hamas does it right?

I think it’s kinda of laughable for the UN to accuse any country of war crimes when their own peace keeping troops have committed numerous war crimes. The UN is a joke.
 
Free Radical, Emperor, I have already found and read the “proof you are talking about”.
Proof and / or allegations.
How does it add?
Trust me. You will be reading more of what I believe none of you approve of :More misery. And moreover: past.
Would you like the links or shall we move forward ?
 
graciew said:
There are dead children on both sides.
Facts.
What do you mean by moral equivalence ?
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Yes there have been. With one side (the Palestinians) purposefully attacking civilian targets and the other side (Israel) taking extraordinary measures to prevent collateral damage on the civilian population from it’s military strikes. In fact Israel goes far beyond what any other nation in human history has done to protect Palestinian citizens from being harmed by completely legal means to protect it’s citizenry. You are right, there is zero moral equivalency here. One side, the Israelis use their weapons to protect it’s citizens. Hamas uses it’s citizens to protect it’s weapons.
 
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