Israel 'ready for escalation' of Gaza conflict

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I have a better solution Hamas should quit firing rockets at Israel and then nobody on either side dies.
Given that Hamas is hellbent on destroying Israel and has told everyone (including Egypt) that they can shove their cease fire agreements where the sun doesn’t shine, that solution is going to work.

The solution based in reality is simply to remove Hamas’ ability to fire rockets at Israel.
 
I had been wondering if this catholic parish was the only one in Gaza Strip. It is. No one has been injured. But the refugees that remained in the building did not run the same fate.Here ’ s today news and some information from within Gaza.
I also read in our main newspaper today that the Argentinian government has made a connection in Palestine through Caritas and a couple more humanitarian entities so that they receive food,drinking water and what they might need.

translate.google.com/translate?sl=auto&tl=en&u=http%3A//www.aciprensa.com/noticias/misil-alcanza-la-unica-parroquia-catolica-en-franja-de-gaza-86104/%23.U9l2-ye9KSO

Missile reaches the only Catholic parish in Gaza Strip

There are some mistakes in translation. One should read " 29 children with disabilities and 6 elderly women". Words come out in the wrong order.
 
I had been wondering if this catholic parish was the only one in Gaza Strip. It is.
From what I understand, there are approximately 130 Catholics in Gaza. I would guess that Holy Family is the only parish. The website of the Latin Patriarch of Jerusalem shows only one parish in Gaza.
en.lpj.org/the-diocese/the-parishes/
There are some mistakes in translation. One should read " 29 children with disabilities and 6 elderly women". Words come out in the wrong order.
Machine translation, while helpful, sometimes produces inaccurate results. We are very fortunate that you are able and willing to make corrections as necessary. We are also fortunate that you are here, presenting a viewpoint from a non-English speaking country. The different vantage can sometimes provide helpful insight.

As for the artillery barrage which threatened the church of the Holy Family, I suppose it was an unavoidable consequence of this warfare. Innocent people are being harmed, by the hundreds, and seemingly at random.
 
You are correct. I neglected to mention that the Egyptians are in collusion with Israel while it commits war crimes in Gaza.
The real criminals are Hamas, i.e., they have initiated the violence that has now befallen the Palestinians.

P.S. If you get rid of Hamas and replace it with a real political party intent on helping its people move forward than there will be no need for conflict or violent action.
 
You are correct. I neglected to mention that the Egyptians are in collusion with Israel while it commits war crimes in Gaza.
Now why on Earth are the Egyptians and Israelis colluding against Gaza?

I presume you don’t consider Hamas reigning rockets indiscriminately at civilian areas in Israel war crimes? Yet when Israel responds to that action, they are committing a war crime?

If someone was reigning rockets into your backyard killing your family, would you consider yourself guilty of war crimes if you took action to stop it?

Quite frankly, the vitriol against Israel for their actions is simply ridiculous. People are thinking with their emotions, not their minds. And when people do that, nothing gets solved.
 
BTW, Egypt isn’t “colluding” with Israel. They are blockading for different reasons. However, drawing lines and making comparisons, one will see that the common factor is that Gaza is run by a bunch of evil people.

Interestingly enough, there are stories in the OT about some vicious slaughters ordered by God. People cannot understand why. Yet when you see these animals running these countries and slaughtering people, it is rather easy to why this occurred.
 
From what I understand, there are approximately 130 Catholics in Gaza. I would guess that Holy Family is the only parish. The website of the Latin Patriarch of Jerusalem shows only one parish in Gaza.
en.lpj.org/the-diocese/the-parishes/

Machine translation, while helpful, sometimes produces inaccurate results. We are very fortunate that you are able and willing to make corrections as necessary. We are also fortunate that you are here, presenting a viewpoint from a non-English speaking country. The different vantage can sometimes provide helpful insight.

As for the artillery barrage which threatened the church of the Holy Family, I suppose it was an unavoidable consequence of this warfare. Innocent people are being harmed, by the hundreds, and seemingly at random.
I haven’ t been able to find out the number yet.Your link shows only Holy Family as you say. Here they mention 6 nuns instead of 3 in official documents. I remember having read that 3 nuns were ordered to leave Gaza and go to Beit Jala. There your link shows The Assumption parish.
Thanks for your kindness,Coatimundi. I do hope we can promote the " culture of encounter" Pope Francis has asked for.
As for translation, Google translate seems to work fairly well excepting where there are too many local expressions . My pleasure if it adds.

Yes, unfortunately people are harmed by the hundreds. And fortunately the priest,kids,elderly and nuns are safe. I pray for a ceasefire,for water,medicines,electricity,and for silence…all quiet for the people of good will on both sides.
Thank you again
 
They didn’t destroy the power plant, I don’t believe. What I heard was one of the fuel holding tanks was on fire.
An official with the Gaza energy authority has said that the fire damage will require months, possibly a year, to repair.

“We need at least one year to repair the power plant, the turbines, the fuel tanks and the control room,” said Fathi Sheik Khalil of the Gaza energy authority. “Everything was burned.” He said crew members who had been trapped by the fire for several hours were evacuated.
theguardian.com/world/2014/jul/29/gaza-power-plant-destroyed-israeli-airstrike-100-palestinians-dead

I am not sure how much damage was done to the plant, however the loss of the fuel is a serious blow. The power plant has frequently run out of fuel due to the economic blockade. This has caused it to shut down several times a year, sometimes for a month or more.
 
Arab Leaders, Viewing Hamas as Worse Than Israel, Stay Silent

After the military ouster of the Islamist government in Cairo last year, Egypt has led a new coalition of Arab states — including Jordan, Saudi Arabia and the United Arab Emirates — that has effectively lined up with Israel in its fight against Hamas, the Islamist movement that controls the Gaza Strip. That, in turn, may have contributed to the failure of the antagonists to reach a negotiated cease-fire even after more than three weeks of bloodshed.

“The Arab states’ loathing and fear of political Islam is so strong that it outweighs their allergy to Benjamin Netanyahu,” the prime minister of Israel, said Aaron David Miller, a scholar at the Wilson Center in Washington and a former Middle East negotiator under several presidents.

“I have never seen a situation like it, where you have so many Arab states acquiescing in the death and destruction in Gaza and the pummeling of Hamas,” he said. “The silence is deafening.”
nytimes.com/2014/07/31/world/middleeast/fighting-political-islam-arab-states-find-themselves-allied-with-israel.html
 
War crimes? Really? Aren’t you being a little dramatic?
Egypt has definitely been colluding with Israel, that much can be stated categorically, but I am unsure whether they have directly contributed to Israeli war crimes. They have closed their borders to fleeing Palestinians and sealed tunnel entrances/exits on their soil, at the very least. It’s interesting that some Arab nations are siding with Israel over Hamas:

nytimes.com/2014/07/31/world/middleeast/fighting-political-islam-arab-states-find-themselves-allied-with-israel.html?_r=0

There’s an awful lot going on that isn’t what it seems. It’s known that both Hamas and ISIS are Mossad creations, for instance:

wariscrime.com/new/hamas-was-founded-by-mossad/

moroccantimes.com/2014/07/nsa-documents-reveal-isis-leaderabu-bakr-al-baghdadi-trained-israeli-mossad/
 
Terrible and regrettable, but Israel has the right to defend itself. Israeli called up more reserves and the US granted use of a weapons depot in Israel.

google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=3&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0CCMQqQIwAg&url=http%3A%2F%2Fonline.wsj.com%2Farticles%2Fisrael-calls-up-16-000-reserves-to-replenish-forces-in-gaza-1406800266&ei=SiXaU9T6EqnI8gGRmoHIDw&usg=AFQjCNFDPc3I_9L9ZvH3ZCIZR599iwgZ-w&bvm=bv.72185853,d.b2U

“We are determined to complete this mission—with or without a cease-fire,” Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu told a special meeting of his cabinet on Thursday in Tel Aviv. "Therefore I wont agree to a proposal that doesn’t allow the Israeli Defense Forces to complete this important task.’’

War is a humanitarian crisis, terrorist agenda and tunnel elimination isn’t a war crime.
 
Arab Leaders, Viewing Hamas as Worse Than Israel, Stay Silent

After the military ouster of the Islamist government in Cairo last year, Egypt has led a new coalition of Arab states — including Jordan, Saudi Arabia and the United Arab Emirates — that has effectively lined up with Israel in its fight against Hamas, the Islamist movement that controls the Gaza Strip. That, in turn, may have contributed to the failure of the antagonists to reach a negotiated cease-fire even after more than three weeks of bloodshed.

“The Arab states’ loathing and fear of political Islam is so strong that it outweighs their allergy to Benjamin Netanyahu,” the prime minister of Israel, said Aaron David Miller, a scholar at the Wilson Center in Washington and a former Middle East negotiator under several presidents.

“I have never seen a situation like it, where you have so many Arab states acquiescing in the death and destruction in Gaza and the pummeling of Hamas,” he said. “The silence is deafening.”
nytimes.com/2014/07/31/world/middleeast/fighting-political-islam-arab-states-find-themselves-allied-with-israel.html
The fact is, Arabs/Egyptians/etc. don’t want a Palestinian State, otherwise one would have already existed. Israel demonstrated what will happen if one exists, by letting Gaza run itself. I don’t see the Arabs praising this move, and in fact they’re doing the opposite, though implicitly. Muslim countries don’t want these lawless terrorist states to exist on their borders, because they have the potential of taking down governments, as well as murdering anyone in the most vile and brutal ways that simply looks at them the wrong way. Of course Israel understands this, and most westerns simply are clueless about the situation.
 
BTW, Egypt isn’t “colluding” with Israel. They are blockading for different reasons. However, drawing lines and making comparisons, one will see that the common factor is that Gaza is run by a bunch of evil people.

Interestingly enough, there are stories in the OT about some vicious slaughters ordered by God. People cannot understand why. Yet when you see these animals running these countries and slaughtering people, it is rather easy to why this occurred.
Classic maneuver there, dehumanize a group of people to make it easier to accept killing them. Maybe you should look at who is dying in this before claiming it is the Palestinians that are slaughtering people.
 
Classic maneuver there, dehumanize a group of people to make it easier to accept killing them.
Exactly, classic maneuver there. Hamas doesn’t think twice about indiscriminately lobbing rockets in civilian areas in Israel completely unprovoked. These people refuse to recognize Israel right to exist, and would kill every last one of them if given the chance.

Appeasement does not work with those people. Those that appease end up with the heads separated from their body. You deal with people on their own level, because that is the only thing they understand.
 
Now why on Earth are the Egyptians and Israelis colluding against Gaza?
It is well known that the people running Egypt are anti-Hamas, because Hamas is an offshoot of the Muslim Brotherhood, thousands of whose members are now languishing in Egyptian jails.
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TheWarriorMonk:
I presume you don’t consider Hamas reigning rockets indiscriminately at civilian areas in Israel war crimes? Yet when Israel responds to that action, they are committing a war crime?
I have stated categorically earlier in this thread that what Hamas is doing constitutes a war crime. There is no justification for the indiscriminate lobbing of deadly rockets that are unquestionably intended to hit civilian targets, even if these rockets have no guidance systems and have proven to be woefully ineffective in their aim and objective. Since 2001, 28 Israelis have been killed by these rockets. I posted a link to this statistic earlier in the thread.

To this, Israel’s “defensive” responses have categorically been wildly disproportionate. The innocent Palestinian death toll from only this latest “Israel is merely defending itself” response is climbing north of 1,400.
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TheWarriorMonk:
If someone was reigning rockets into your backyard killing your family, would you consider yourself guilty of war crimes if you took action to stop it?
That depends on what I did. If, in response, I managed to blow up my enemy’s entire neighborhood, then I would be guilty of a war crime as my response lacked proportionality.
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TheWarriorMonk:
Quite frankly, the vitriol against Israel for their actions is simply ridiculous. People are thinking with their emotions, not their minds. And when people do that, nothing gets solved.
Ah, I see. If only we thought logically and rationally … like you.

The question I have is why the defenders of Israel seem so cavalierly unconcerned about the great loss of innocent Palestinian life. I know the stock answer: Hamas is at fault. But that doesn’t explain why there is such a serious lack of concern about what the Israelis are doing. After all, they are the ones with the F16s, attack helicopters, tanks, and troops. They are the ones destroying schools, infrastructure, mosques, shelters, and hospitals. This cannot be justified by claims of “self defense”, and the world knows it.
 
Exactly, classic maneuver there. Hamas doesn’t think twice about indiscriminately lobbing rockets in civilian areas in Israel completely unprovoked. These people refuse to recognize Israel right to exist, and would kill every last one of them if given the chance.

Appeasement does not work with those people. Those that appease end up with the heads separated from their body. You deal with people on their own level, because that is the only thing they understand.
By “those people” do you mean the 15 who were killed in the bombing of a UN shelter by Israel?

Isreal’s story is a bit thin. If they are worried about the tunnels (and they should be), why not seal them up from the Israel side, why go deep into Gaza for that while at the same time bombing weapon storehouses from a distance? Why not send troops to the schools that are allegedly storing weapons instead of indiscrimintetly droppong bombs on civilians? I think the tolerance of Israels actions is going to end very soon. They are making themselves look very bad.
 
Its war, the humanitarian court will hear the case in a few years. The UN is meeting in NY today to discuss the humanitarian issue.

Hamas…

“Anyone killed or martyred is to be called a civilian from Gaza or Palestine, before we talk about his status in jihad or his military rank. Don’t forget to always add ‘innocent civilian’ or ‘innocent citizen’ in your description of those killed in Israeli attacks on Gaza.

“Begin [your reports of] news of resistance actions with the phrase ‘In response to the cruel Israeli attack,’ and conclude with the phrase ‘This many people have been martyred since Israel launched its aggression against Gaza.’ Be sure to always perpetuate the principle of ‘the role of the occupation is attack, and we in Palestine are fulfilling [the role of] the reaction.’

“Beware of spreading rumors from Israeli spokesmen, particularly those that harm the home front. Be wary regarding accepting the occupation’s version [of events]. You must always cast doubts on this [version], disprove it, and treat it as false.

“Avoid publishing pictures of rockets fired into Israel from [Gaza] city centers. This [would] provide a pretext for attacking residential areas in the Gaza Strip. Do not publish or share photos or video clips showing rocket launching sites or the movement of resistance [forces] in Gaza.

“To the administrators of news pages on Facebook: Do not publish close-ups of masked men with heavy weapons, so that your page will not be shut down [by Facebook] on the claim that you are inciting violence. In your coverage, be sure that you say: ‘The locally manufactured shells fired by the resistance are a natural response to the Israeli occupation that deliberately fires rockets against civilians in the West Bank and Gaza’…”
 
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