Israel 'ready for escalation' of Gaza conflict

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We must learn to differentiate between people simply voicing distasteful opinions and between mountains of slaughtered children
We must learn the sequence of facts that lead to the slaughtered children.

1] A terrorist agenda fuels the murder and hate thats indeed taught.

2] The ideal creates persecuted civilians and children since the children are taught to be suicide bombers and so forth. Think Isis and the Christians.

3] Once in awhile a country comes up that invokes its right to defend itself against this documented terrorist atrocity

4] Because of the Terrorists and the strident clamor of evil, the children are intentionally placed in the middle and by the terrorists sacrificed. And indeed its a burden for those who have the right to defend itself.

5] We should blame the terrorists for the children because they are indeed the first principle in the cause of the childrens death…terrorists=Hamas.
 
Thir thread was started 5 weeks ago and I wonder how long it will continue? (months? a year ?) Events surrounding this conflict changes minute by minute.

I’d like to personally thank GaryTaylor who has been very active with his well worded, informative and accurate posts.

This is not to say that all posts have not been so. I was directed here by 7 sorrows and it’s important for all of us to stay focused on this very serious subject.

ALL things are possible with God. Only the free will of the Israeli people, their allies and the hamas organization together with their allies will determine the outcome of this conflict.

God bless this forum and each of us individually. I thank our Creator daily for the founders and supporters of this forum. We are family!
You’re wonderful, haljoseph!🙂 I totally love what you wrote!👍
 
Link to video report from BBC below on current situation entitled:
“As it happened:Israel Withdraws Troops as Gaza Ceasefire Begins”

bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-28654448
This definitely is what has been the status quo in the media last night. Its very hard to discern what will happen after the peace talks-ceasefire. For example as quoted above by Josie…
A top Hamas official said last week on live television that Jews use blood to make matzos.
Its hard to be shouting at each other with these type of accusations and expect results, and though Hamas is a complete group with like thinking, its true, as is being discussed there are radical individuals in Israel too. So this type of thinking, accusations has to cease to lead to real conversation. From conversation comes a belief they are working in a like direction. Peace is possible then.

But the hate goes no-where, its pure evil I believe we see.

Now everyone in Israel and Palestine are certainly not like this. I have seen numerous people on both sides insist on peace. The youth are a problem it seems to me also. Most married adults just want to live in peace with their family. And astonishingly they actually get along on both sides.

Its a little hard to wrap my mind around married adults doing drive by shootings of police officers in downtown Jerusalem. Its almost like gang activity in America.

These people want peace, and frankly everyone else does also.
 
But the hate goes no-where, its pure evil I believe we see.
Now everyone in Israel and Palestine are certainly not like this. I have seen numerous people on both sides insist on peace.
May Our Lord bless and guide all peacemakers, and lead all to become peacemakers.
Amen.
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Dear fellow posters.
A quick request for quotation marks to show text coming from online articles. Without such marks, it is difficult to determine where personal writing begins and ends, and posts are vulnerable to charges of plagiarism.
Thanks you and may God bless us all and all those who suffer in the Middle East. Amen.
Thanks jeannetherese
I second the motion; not just for this thread but for all CAF threads. It gets extremely annoying and is not right.

Now to plagiarise your prayer: May God bless us all and all those who suffer in the Middle East. Amen.
 
Indian TV Reporter Films Hamas Assembling, Launching Missiles From Residential Area Outside Hotel Minutes Before Cease-Fire (VIDEO)
India’s NDTV on Tuesday broadcast footage of a group of Hamas militants, gathered outside the television crew’s hotel and hiding under a blue tarp, where they were assembling rockets they launched at Israel from the residential Gazan neighborhood minutes before a cease-fire began.
NDTV reporter Sreenivasan Jain said: “Israel has argued that that these rockets are fired from civilian areas, and this is why its retaliatory strikes can result in civilian casualties.”
“But this morning, NDTV witnessed one such rocket silo being created under a tent right next to the hotel where our team was staying. Minutes later, we saw the rocket being fired, just before the 72-hour ceasefire came into effect.”
NDTV’s Jain said the tent was set-up the day before and three Hamas members returned on Tuesday to assemble the rockets over the course of an hour before setting them off.
Fearing for their own lives, the NDTV team left Gaza before posting the report.
Jain said,”This report is being aired on NDTV and published on ndtv.com after our team left the Gaza strip – Hamas has not taken very kindly to any reporting of its rockets being fired.”
He added that just “as we reported the devastating consequences of Israel’s offensive on Gaza’s civilians, it is equally important to report on how Hamas places those very civilians at risk by firing rockets deep from the heart of civilian zones.”
Watch NDTV’s recording of a Hamas rocket strike.
algemeiner.com/2014/08/05/indian-tv-reporter-films-hamas-assembling-launching-missiles-from-residential-area-outside-hotel-minutes-before-cease-fire-video/
 
Agreed. But the hatred of the extremist Zionists fuels hatred, too, leading to governments building illegal settlements in the occupied territories and squeezing the Palestinians out.
Yes, there is hatred on the other side (one which was for the most part forced upon them by radical Islamic groups bent on Israel’s destruction), however, this hatred is not state sponsored as is the case with Hamas, the PLO, Fatah . . . .etc., i.e., they are deliberately fostering and foisting hate for Jews (through preposterous lies/slanders) upon Palestinians and thus perpetuating the cycle of violence. Moreover, when Israel left the Gaza strip in 2005, the Palestinians chose to bring into power Hamas, a group dedicated to the genocide of all Israelis as is exemplified by their constant barrage of rocket attacks into Israel.

So my question to you is, do you really think that if Israel would remove illegal settlements in occupied territories like they did in the Gaza strip, it will solve the problem between Hamas/Palestinians and Israel? Or are they just going to use the opportunity to launch rockets from the West Bank as well?
 
IIndian TV Reporter Films Hamas Assembling, Launching Missiles From Residential Area Outside Hotel Minutes Before Cease-Fire (VIDEO)
Yes, Hamas fired off a salvo of rockets just before the ceasefire began. Israel also carried out at least five strikes. The New York Times describes these incidents as a customary “last word” before a conflict between Hamas and Israel draws to a close.
nytimes.com/2014/08/06/world/middleeast/israel-gaza-strip-conflict.html?hp&action=click&pgtype=Homepage&version=HpSum&module=first-column-region&region=top-news&WT.nav=top-news&_r=0

I fear this means that resentments are unresolved, and the fighting will resume. If not immediately, than sometime in the coming months. The last big flare up was two years ago.
 
Yes, there is hatred on the other side (one which was for the most part forced upon them by radical Islamic groups bent on Israel’s destruction), however, this hatred is not state sponsored as is the case with Hamas, the PLO, Fatah . . . .etc., i.e., they are deliberately fostering and foisting hate for Jews (through preposterous lies/slanders) upon Palestinians and thus perpetuating the cycle of violence. Moreover, when Israel left the Gaza strip in 2005, the Palestinians chose to bring into power Hamas, a group dedicated to the genocide of all Israelis as is exemplified by their constant barrage of rocket attacks into Israel.

So my question to you is, do you really think that if Israel would remove illegal settlements in occupied territories like they did in the Gaza strip, it will solve the problem between Hamas/Palestinians and Israel? Or are they just going to use the opportunity to launch rockets from the West Bank as well?
Withdrawing isn’t enough if it means a blockade and turning Gaza into an open air prison camp. And yes, I know why they have the blockade in place. It’s complicated, and it’s the Palestinian people who sadly suffer. In their desperation, they elected Hamas. But the disproportionate killing by the Israeli army isn’t causing wounds to heal either. 80% of the deaths are civilian despite the fact that most rockets are intercepted and there are by comparison only two civilian deaths on the Israeli side. The Israeli army could have been way more restrained.

There needs to be a slow withdrawal coupled with iron clad agreements ratified by the international community. The Palestinians aren’t ready for that yet, as they are ruled by Hamas. But they probably wouldn’t have voted in Hamas had Israel struck the right tone.

But if you think the only reason why Israel is holding on to the occupied territories is because they fear what would happen if the Palestinians ruled it, you’re wrong. Zionists won’t give it up for religious reasons. They see it as the fulfillment of biblical prophecies, of God giving them their land back. That explain the illegal settlements. (You do believe they’re illegal, don’t you? The international community certainly does.)

Listen to (or read) this report from NPRon the occasion of the 40th anniversary of the Six Day War:

npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=10801564

Here’s an excerpt: (though I would review the entire report for context)

“For many religious Israelis, the lightning victory of the 1967 war was proof of divine intervention. Jews could return to live in places mentioned in the Bible. Beginning in the mid-1970s, they began building Jewish settlements all over the West Bank. Today, more than a quarter-million Israelis live in the West Bank, not including East Jerusalem.”
 
Withdrawing isn’t enough if it means a blockade and turning Gaza into an open air prison camp.
The blockade was as a result of the barrage of rockets being launched, i.e., Israel left in 2005, and the blockade was placed in 2007, that means in that two year period Hamas was attacking Israel.
And yes, I know why they have the blockade in place. It’s complicated, and it’s the Palestinian people who sadly suffer. In their desperation, they elected Hamas.
The suffering people of the Gaza strip had the opportunity to change things around and they chose instead to elect Hamas, they are perpetuating their own suffering, i.e., were they expecting peace and prosperity by electing Hamas??? Moreover, does it not give lie to the idea that if Israel would just leave the occupied lands everything will just get better, well, no it won’t, **many Palestinians and those governing them don’t want a two-state solution. **
But the disproportionate killing by the Israeli army isn’t causing wounds to heal either. 80% of the deaths are civilian despite the fact that most rockets are intercepted and there are by comparison only two civilian deaths on the Israeli side. The Israeli army could have been way more restrained.
And that’s because Hamas deliberately launches its rockets in residential areas, please read my post about Hamas launching rockets in crowded city areas in Gaza as recorded by Indian reporters.
There needs to be a slow withdrawal coupled with iron clad agreements ratified by the international community. The Palestinians aren’t ready for that yet, as they are ruled by Hamas. But they probably wouldn’t have voted in Hamas had Israel struck the right tone.
Israel left the Gaza strip, what else did they need as evidence of their good faith (the blockade came after Hamas was elected and began launching rockets). Moreover, the International community if it was truly wanted peace should treat Hamas like the pariah that it is, and put pressure on them, not Israel, to disarm itself and get the heck out of GAZA.
But if you think the only reason why Israel is holding on to the occupied territories is because they fear what would happen if the Palestinians ruled it, you’re wrong. Zionists won’t give it up for religious reasons. They see it as the fulfillment of biblical prophecies, of God giving them their land back. That explain the illegal settlements. (You do believe they’re illegal, don’t you? The international community certainly does.)
Illegal or no, Palestinians will not be uprooted not even by the Zionists, i.e., not if Israel wishes to endure more conflict, which it does not.
Israeli forces destroy illegal West Bank settlement houses
The removal of Israel from the Gaza strip was a step in the right direction and attests to the fact that at least on Israel’s part their is hope for compromise, not so on the part of Hamas and those that rule Palestinians.
Here’s an excerpt: (though I would review the entire report for context)
“For many religious Israelis, the lightning victory of the 1967 war was proof of divine intervention. Jews could return to live in places mentioned in the Bible. Beginning in the mid-1970s, they began building Jewish settlements all over the West Bank. Today, more than a quarter-million Israelis live in the West Bank, not including East Jerusalem.”
Yes, a war that was forced on them by their enemies, and one which their enemies lost, therefore, by all accounts that land belongs to them according to International law.

P.S. Notice that most of the recent trouble that has been afflicting Israel is coming from the Gaza strip and not the West Bank.
 
This article about Isreal’s withdrawal from the Gaza Strip by the Jewish Daily Forward might give background to some.

“9 Years Later, Here We Go Again in Gaza” blogs.forward.com/forward-thinking/203128/-years-later-here-we-go-again-in-gaza

Here’s an excerpt.

“If the Palestinians transform Gaza into a reasonably well-functioning, reasonably peaceful place — not necessarily Sweden — then the world won’t have to pressure Israel to do this in the West Bank,” said Howard Kohr, AIPAC’s executive director.

As luck (or possibly behind-the-scene conversations) would have it, the whole disengagement plan was conceived to help Israel avoid international pressure — if not quite in the way Kohr seemed to be suggesting. As Dov Weisglass, Sharon’s adviser and confidante, acknowledged in a pre-withdrawal interview, Gaza was to be sacrificed in order that Israel could better hold on to the West Bank.
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    The disengagement is actually formaldehyde. It supplies the amount of formaldehyde that’s necessary so that there will not be a [diplomatic] process with the Palestinians.

… The disengagement plan makes it possible for Israel to park conveniently in an interim situation that distances us as far as possible from political pressure. It legitimizes our contention that there is no negotiating with the Palestinians.

…We educated the world to understand that there is no one to talk to. And we received a no- one-to-talk-to certificate. That certificate says: (1) There is no one to talk to. (2) As long as there is no one to talk to, the geographic status quo remains intact. (3) The certificate will be revoked only when this-and-this happens — when Palestine becomes Finland. (4) See you then, and shalom.
In keeping with the contention that “there is no one to talk to,” Sharon didn’t even coordinate the withdrawal, much less negotiate it, with Palestinian Authority President Mahmoud Abbas. Israel simply pulled up stakes, and gave the party with which it had been in a diplomatic process since 1993 nothing to show for its efforts.

Unsurprisingly, Hamas announced that its rockets had made Israel turn tail, and — in the absence of a credible competing claim — declared victory. Less than six months later, Palestinian legislative elections were held, and Hamas narrowly won. As is now abundantly clear, Hamas did not transform Gaza into “a reasonably well-functioning, reasonably peaceful place,” or, indeed, “Finland.”

Most Israelis/Jews/Westerners who discuss the Israeli-Palestinian conflict point to the information in that last sentence, the falling rockets and recently-discovered tunnels (or, more accurately, “recently-announced tunnels” given that Israel has apparently known about them for some time) and say “That’s why Israel has to do this — it’s all Hamas’s fault!”
 
Peace is always possible.
Though the conflict between Israel and Palestine falls under the category of intractable, the word " intractable" does not mean " no chance,so we give up" . No. It means that along the continuum ,if we could picture it as a tube holding sand inside…having “tractable” at one end and " intractable" at the other, internal and external factors incline the tube towards the intractable most if not all the time in this particular conflict.

True is that leaders are very important actors affecting the course of conflict.
True is that sometimes change of leadership may open a chance for transformation
True is that extremist leaders help keep a conflict intractable.

But they are not the only factors as has been posted.

If we could try and avoid the " blame game" ,which is understandable, at least for a while,is there a chance to look into the conflict from a different perspective?
Regardless of who is to blame,there are innocent people and children who need the basic to survive. This has been brought to the table. They are mainly voiceless and trapped.
My question is how can the international community help them? Which of the measures proposed do you consider valuable?
How can they receive help right here right now without interpreting the measures taken as anti- anything but acknowledging the right these people have to be heard,helped and receive compassion .?
This where I am at right now.
Thank you
 
My question is how can the international community help them? Which of the measures proposed do you consider valuable?
I think food, water, housing, and medical care are most important. Donating to UNRWA (United Nations Relief and Works Agency for Palestine Refugees in the Near East) would be a good way to help provide these things. UNRWA has been the main provider of relief during the crisis, and they have a large presence in Gaza.

If someone wanted to donate through a Catholic organization, CNEWA (Catholic Near East Welfare Association) has some suggestions:

It is important to point out that we are coordinating the activities of various Catholic and non-Catholic agencies on the ground, hosting regular meetings at our office in Jerusalem. We have distributed our relief activities as follows: CNEWA will concentrate on provision of medicines, fuel and medical treatments in this emergency phase; Caritas Jerusalem is providing food packages and cash assistance; and Catholic Relief Services is assisting with the provision of non-food, hygiene packages and medical supplies. Thus, we are complementing our works to benefit as many people as possible. And, as always, CNEWA’s activities are implemented through the local church and its institutions.
cnewa.org/blog.aspx?ID=1829
 
This article was written in February.
If we can take a breath for a while and look into conflict resolution , this article might be of interest . It is about conflict over identityIsrael and Palestine. Let us leave Hamas aside for a while. …

jpost.com/Opinion/Op-Ed-Contributors/The-key-to-peace-for-Israelis-and-Palestinians-is-identity-340476

The key to peace between Israelis and Palestinians is…identity.
No you can’t leave the terrorist hamas on this. If Identity is what the author suggest then why is it that the arabs can’t get along and accept the Identity of Israel as a Jewish State. There are numerous archeological findings that suggest Jewish heritage on that piece of land. Proof of Jewish Identity.

In fact it is the like of hamas and abbas who denies the Jewish identity of that land.

This is very simple, If they recognize the State of Israel there will be peace. Egypt and Jordan accepted Israel. There was peace.

So why cant the rest of the arab world including the poor arabs lead by p.a and hamas accept this fact?
 
I think food, water, housing, and medical care are most important. Donating to UNRWA (United Nations Relief and Works Agency for Palestine Refugees in the Near East) would be a good way to help provide these things. UNRWA has been the main provider of relief during the crisis, and they have a large presence in Gaza.

If someone wanted to donate through a Catholic organization, CNEWA (Catholic Near East Welfare Association) has some suggestions:

It is important to point out that we are coordinating the activities of various Catholic and non-Catholic agencies on the ground, hosting regular meetings at our office in Jerusalem. We have distributed our relief activities as follows: CNEWA will concentrate on provision of medicines, fuel and medical treatments in this emergency phase; Caritas Jerusalem is providing food packages and cash assistance; and Catholic Relief Services is assisting with the provision of non-food, hygiene packages and medical supplies. Thus, we are complementing our works to benefit as many people as possible. And, as always, CNEWA’s activities are implemented through the local church and its institutions.
cnewa.org/blog.aspx?ID=1829
I suggest donating to the CRS, but be very cautious with the UNRWA. The UNRWA is Hamas make sense.

We should be extra careful on where we put our Charity money if we really want to help.
 
Then we’ll have to agree to disagree: whatever it is, this is not very simple.

As for the article,it was meant to address a type of conflict which is called conflict over identity. And after various pages of very emotional discussion, I thought that reading about the perception that they could move closer would do no harm.
Thanks for suggesting Catholic Relief.
 
I think food, water, housing, and medical care are most important. Donating to UNRWA (United Nations Relief and Works Agency for Palestine Refugees in the Near East) would be a good way to help provide these things. UNRWA has been the main provider of relief during the crisis, and they have a large presence in Gaza.

If someone wanted to donate through a Catholic organization, CNEWA (Catholic Near East Welfare Association) has some suggestions:

It is important to point out that we are coordinating the activities of various Catholic and non-Catholic agencies on the ground, hosting regular meetings at our office in Jerusalem. We have distributed our relief activities as follows: CNEWA will concentrate on provision of medicines, fuel and medical treatments in this emergency phase; Caritas Jerusalem is providing food packages and cash assistance; and Catholic Relief Services is assisting with the provision of non-food, hygiene packages and medical supplies. Thus, we are complementing our works to benefit as many people as possible. And, as always, CNEWA’s activities are implemented through the local church and its institutions.
cnewa.org/blog.aspx?ID=1829
Thank you.
This is a very specific way to help in our hands.
I ll find out how Caritas is helping down here and share it.
 
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