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gilliam
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What did the inquirey show?
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gilliam
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Classic case of shooting into the air and killing someone. Even happens, I am sorry to say, in Arizonia, USA
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Matt25
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http://www.canadiandimension.mb.ca/extra/d1107js.htm
Tom Hurndall was shot in the head on 11 April. The IDF has admitted shooting Tom, but they imply that they had good reason to do so; he was wearing camouflage fatigues and firing a gun at an IDF outpost. The IDF’s field report even provides two diagrams showing the location of the gunman firing at them.
Tom’s father, Anthony Hurndall, a City of London property lawyer, has investigated his son’s shooting. The two diagrams in the IDF report locate Tom’s position when he was shot in two different places. The sites are contradictory. Thirteen eyewitnesses and two chains of photographs locate Tom in a different place, about 100 metres further away from the death strip. The eyewitnesses say that Tom was not firing a gun at the Israelis, but helping a Palestinian toddler who had frozen under Israeli fire.
Immediately after Tom was shot, he was moved out of the firing line by two Palestinian youths to a safer place where he could be given first aid. Two photographers took a series of stills showing Tom being picked up. Blood is spurting from his head, so you can tell the pictures were taken within seconds of him being shot. In the background of both sets of photographs are some distinctive Hamas graffiti, nailing the site of Tom’s shooting to the location identified by the eyewitnesses.
The IDF field report asserts that Tom was wearing camouflage fatigues. ISM activists deliberately wear bright fluorescent jackets, to identify themselves and to distinguish themselves from Palestinian terror groups.
The South African photographer Garth Stead took black- and-white pictures, but one of them shows clearly that Tom is wearing a distinctive jacket. The second set of stills and an amateur video recording prove the jacket to be, not camouflage fatigues, but orange. I asked Stead whether it would be possible to mistake orange for camouflage. He replied: “Not unless he was an orange-picker.”
The family of Tom Hurndall also believes the IDF’s version of events to be a fabrication. His father, after six weeks of investigation, reluctantly came to the conclusion that “this is a case of attempted murder. If Tom dies, and that is a likelihood, then it will be murder.” A military investigation continues.
tomhurndall.co.uk/update-30-08-04.asp
Court extends remand of soldiers suspected of murder
By Amos Harel, Haaretz Correspondent
A military tribunal gave a three-day extension Sunday to the remand of two soldiers suspected of murdering an unarmed Palestinian last October. The remand of the suspects’ commander was extended by one day.
The two soldiers are suspected of shooting to death a Rafah resident on the Philadelphi route, although he was unarmed and did not raise suspicion in any way. Prosecutor Captain Ran Cohen said the suspects fired at the Palestinian from their pillbox post.
The two commanders at the outpost are suspected of covering up the affair, despite the complaint of a third soldier at the post. The second commander will be brought for the extension of his remand today. A gag order has been imposed on the soldiers’ details, including their ranks, place of residence and the unit they serve in.
The judge, Lieutenant Colonel Aharon Mishnayot, said he expected the prosecution to present charges against the two soldiers and their commander, if it intends to do so, on Wednesday. The soldiers have been in custody for 21 days, but their attorneys received their testimonies to the military police only Sunday. The judge said he expects the prosecution to hand over more material to the defense without delay.
The soldiers’ lawyers asked Sunday whether the soldiers’ unit commander, a lieutenant colonel, was also questioned in the affair and whether he would be arrested as well. The MP representative refused to answer.
Tom Hurndall was shot in the head on 11 April. The IDF has admitted shooting Tom, but they imply that they had good reason to do so; he was wearing camouflage fatigues and firing a gun at an IDF outpost. The IDF’s field report even provides two diagrams showing the location of the gunman firing at them.
Tom’s father, Anthony Hurndall, a City of London property lawyer, has investigated his son’s shooting. The two diagrams in the IDF report locate Tom’s position when he was shot in two different places. The sites are contradictory. Thirteen eyewitnesses and two chains of photographs locate Tom in a different place, about 100 metres further away from the death strip. The eyewitnesses say that Tom was not firing a gun at the Israelis, but helping a Palestinian toddler who had frozen under Israeli fire.
Immediately after Tom was shot, he was moved out of the firing line by two Palestinian youths to a safer place where he could be given first aid. Two photographers took a series of stills showing Tom being picked up. Blood is spurting from his head, so you can tell the pictures were taken within seconds of him being shot. In the background of both sets of photographs are some distinctive Hamas graffiti, nailing the site of Tom’s shooting to the location identified by the eyewitnesses.
The IDF field report asserts that Tom was wearing camouflage fatigues. ISM activists deliberately wear bright fluorescent jackets, to identify themselves and to distinguish themselves from Palestinian terror groups.
The South African photographer Garth Stead took black- and-white pictures, but one of them shows clearly that Tom is wearing a distinctive jacket. The second set of stills and an amateur video recording prove the jacket to be, not camouflage fatigues, but orange. I asked Stead whether it would be possible to mistake orange for camouflage. He replied: “Not unless he was an orange-picker.”
The family of Tom Hurndall also believes the IDF’s version of events to be a fabrication. His father, after six weeks of investigation, reluctantly came to the conclusion that “this is a case of attempted murder. If Tom dies, and that is a likelihood, then it will be murder.” A military investigation continues.
tomhurndall.co.uk/update-30-08-04.asp
Court extends remand of soldiers suspected of murder
By Amos Harel, Haaretz Correspondent
A military tribunal gave a three-day extension Sunday to the remand of two soldiers suspected of murdering an unarmed Palestinian last October. The remand of the suspects’ commander was extended by one day.
The two soldiers are suspected of shooting to death a Rafah resident on the Philadelphi route, although he was unarmed and did not raise suspicion in any way. Prosecutor Captain Ran Cohen said the suspects fired at the Palestinian from their pillbox post.
The two commanders at the outpost are suspected of covering up the affair, despite the complaint of a third soldier at the post. The second commander will be brought for the extension of his remand today. A gag order has been imposed on the soldiers’ details, including their ranks, place of residence and the unit they serve in.
The judge, Lieutenant Colonel Aharon Mishnayot, said he expected the prosecution to present charges against the two soldiers and their commander, if it intends to do so, on Wednesday. The soldiers have been in custody for 21 days, but their attorneys received their testimonies to the military police only Sunday. The judge said he expects the prosecution to hand over more material to the defense without delay.
The soldiers’ lawyers asked Sunday whether the soldiers’ unit commander, a lieutenant colonel, was also questioned in the affair and whether he would be arrested as well. The MP representative refused to answer.
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gilliam
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Matt25, your posting old reports, What did the inquirey show?
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Anna_Elizabeth
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Re Israel and the Palestinians:
Does anyone know anything about a book entitled: Whose Land? Whose Promise???? The author is Gary M. Burge, and it was published in 2003 by the Pilgrim Press.
Anna
Does anyone know anything about a book entitled: Whose Land? Whose Promise???? The author is Gary M. Burge, and it was published in 2003 by the Pilgrim Press.
Anna
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Lisa4Catholics
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gilliam, don’t tease what did the inquirey show?God Bless
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gilliam
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I really don’t know
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Matt25
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I don’t think an enquiry was undertaken. As far as I can see the UK embassy lodged a protest and left it at that.
My point anyway is that the IDF routinely exculpates trigger happy soldiers. It is only when westeners are killed on camera that they ever offer up soldiers to courts or enquiries.
I listened to the parents of Tom Hurndall, shot dead in Rafah, on the radio. They were a very “Middle England” couple who eloquently made the point that if a middle class professional couple with photographic evidence that the IDF was lying and the backing of the UK embassy struggled for months to bring a soldier to trial for manslaughter what chance did poor Palestinians without any resources have of getting justice?
Not every Palestinian is a terrorist you know.
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gilliam
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I know
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