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I am a little annoyed with some of the footnotes to the NAB as they relate to apologetics…
There are many, but I will go with my top two here to get us started.
The first one is the commentary on 1 Corinthians 11:27-29…
27 ~ Therefore whoever eats the bread or drinks the cup of the Lord unworthily will have to answer for the body and blood of the Lord. 12
28 ~* A person should examine himself, 13 and so eat the bread and drink the cup.*
29 ~ For anyone who eats and drinks without discerning the body, eats and drinks judgment 14 on himself.
Footnotes 12-14 here:
12 [27] It follows that the only proper way to celebrate the Eucharist is one that corresponds to Jesus’ intention, which fits with the meaning of his command to reproduce his action in the proper spirit. If the Corinthians eat and drink unworthily, i.e., without having grasped and internalized the meaning of his death for them, they will have to answer for the body and blood, i.e., will be guilty of a sin against the Lord himself (cf ⇒ 1 Cor 8:12).
13 [28] Examine himself: the Greek word is similar to that for “approved” in ⇒ 1 Cor 11:19, which means “having been tested and found true.” The self-testing required for proper eating involves discerning the body (⇒ 1 Cor 11:29), which, from the context, must mean understanding the sense of Jesus’ death (⇒ 1 Cor 11:26), perceiving the imperative to unity that follows from the fact that Jesus gives himself to all and requires us to repeat his sacrifice in the same spirit (⇒ 1 Cor 11:18-25).
14 [29-32] Judgment: there is a series of wordplays in these verses that would be awkward to translate literally into English; it includes all the references to judgment (krima, ⇒ 1 Cor 11:29, ⇒ 34; krino, ⇒ 1 Cor 11:31, ⇒ 32) discernment (diakrino, ⇒ 1 Cor 11:29, ⇒ 31), and condemnation (katakrino, ⇒ 1 Cor 11:32). The judgment is concretely described as the illness, infirmity, and death that have visited the community. These are signs that the power of Jesus’ death is not yet completely recognized and experienced. Yet even the judgment incurred is an expression of God’s concern; it is a medicinal measure meant to rescue us from condemnation with God’s enemies.
There are three footnotes for these three verses (one per verse), and usually these verses are used to “prove” the ‘real presence’ in the Eucharist (how can someone eat and drink judgement on himself by partaking in something symbolic?). However, there is nothing in these footnotes that have anything to do with the real presence. Are the footnotes wrong, incomplete, or have I been wrong in using these verses for apologetics?
My second issue can ALSO be found in 1 Corinthians… Chapter 3 verses 10-15… These verses are often used to explain the existance of Purgatoty, but the footnotes are NOT helpful.
10 ~ 6 According to the grace of God given to me, like a wise master builder I laid a foundation, and another is building upon it. But each one must be careful how he builds upon it,
11 ~ *for no one can lay a foundation other than the one that is there, namely, Jesus Christ. *
12 ~ *If anyone builds on this foundation with gold, silver, precious stones, wood, hay, or straw, *
13 ~ the work of each will come to light, for the Day 7 will disclose it. It will be revealed with fire, and the fire (itself) will test the quality of each one’s work.
14 ~ *If the work stands that someone built upon the foundation, that person will receive a wage. *
15 ~ *But if someone’s work is burned up, that one will suffer loss; the person will be saved, 8 but only as through fire. *
Footnotes 6-8 here:
**6 **[10-11] There are diverse functions in the service of the community, but each individual’s task is serious, and each will stand accountable for the quality of his contribution.
7 [13] The Day: the great day of Yahweh, the day of judgment, which can be a time of either gloom or joy. Fire both destroys and purifies.
8 [15] Will be saved: although Paul can envision very harsh divine punishment (cf ⇒ 1 Cor 3:17), he appears optimistic about the success of divine corrective means both here and elsewhere (cf ⇒ 1 Cor 5:5; ⇒ 11:32 [discipline]). The text of ⇒ 1 Cor 3:15 has sometimes been used to support the notion of purgatory, though it does not envisage this.
How can these footnotes be helpful with apologetics when they won’t help support our arguments? Especially number 8?
I am a little annoyed with some of the footnotes to the NAB as they relate to apologetics…
There are many, but I will go with my top two here to get us started.
The first one is the commentary on 1 Corinthians 11:27-29…
27 ~ Therefore whoever eats the bread or drinks the cup of the Lord unworthily will have to answer for the body and blood of the Lord. 12
28 ~* A person should examine himself, 13 and so eat the bread and drink the cup.*
29 ~ For anyone who eats and drinks without discerning the body, eats and drinks judgment 14 on himself.
Footnotes 12-14 here:
12 [27] It follows that the only proper way to celebrate the Eucharist is one that corresponds to Jesus’ intention, which fits with the meaning of his command to reproduce his action in the proper spirit. If the Corinthians eat and drink unworthily, i.e., without having grasped and internalized the meaning of his death for them, they will have to answer for the body and blood, i.e., will be guilty of a sin against the Lord himself (cf ⇒ 1 Cor 8:12).
13 [28] Examine himself: the Greek word is similar to that for “approved” in ⇒ 1 Cor 11:19, which means “having been tested and found true.” The self-testing required for proper eating involves discerning the body (⇒ 1 Cor 11:29), which, from the context, must mean understanding the sense of Jesus’ death (⇒ 1 Cor 11:26), perceiving the imperative to unity that follows from the fact that Jesus gives himself to all and requires us to repeat his sacrifice in the same spirit (⇒ 1 Cor 11:18-25).
14 [29-32] Judgment: there is a series of wordplays in these verses that would be awkward to translate literally into English; it includes all the references to judgment (krima, ⇒ 1 Cor 11:29, ⇒ 34; krino, ⇒ 1 Cor 11:31, ⇒ 32) discernment (diakrino, ⇒ 1 Cor 11:29, ⇒ 31), and condemnation (katakrino, ⇒ 1 Cor 11:32). The judgment is concretely described as the illness, infirmity, and death that have visited the community. These are signs that the power of Jesus’ death is not yet completely recognized and experienced. Yet even the judgment incurred is an expression of God’s concern; it is a medicinal measure meant to rescue us from condemnation with God’s enemies.
There are three footnotes for these three verses (one per verse), and usually these verses are used to “prove” the ‘real presence’ in the Eucharist (how can someone eat and drink judgement on himself by partaking in something symbolic?). However, there is nothing in these footnotes that have anything to do with the real presence. Are the footnotes wrong, incomplete, or have I been wrong in using these verses for apologetics?
My second issue can ALSO be found in 1 Corinthians… Chapter 3 verses 10-15… These verses are often used to explain the existance of Purgatoty, but the footnotes are NOT helpful.
10 ~ 6 According to the grace of God given to me, like a wise master builder I laid a foundation, and another is building upon it. But each one must be careful how he builds upon it,
11 ~ *for no one can lay a foundation other than the one that is there, namely, Jesus Christ. *
12 ~ *If anyone builds on this foundation with gold, silver, precious stones, wood, hay, or straw, *
13 ~ the work of each will come to light, for the Day 7 will disclose it. It will be revealed with fire, and the fire (itself) will test the quality of each one’s work.
14 ~ *If the work stands that someone built upon the foundation, that person will receive a wage. *
15 ~ *But if someone’s work is burned up, that one will suffer loss; the person will be saved, 8 but only as through fire. *
Footnotes 6-8 here:
**6 **[10-11] There are diverse functions in the service of the community, but each individual’s task is serious, and each will stand accountable for the quality of his contribution.
7 [13] The Day: the great day of Yahweh, the day of judgment, which can be a time of either gloom or joy. Fire both destroys and purifies.
8 [15] Will be saved: although Paul can envision very harsh divine punishment (cf ⇒ 1 Cor 3:17), he appears optimistic about the success of divine corrective means both here and elsewhere (cf ⇒ 1 Cor 5:5; ⇒ 11:32 [discipline]). The text of ⇒ 1 Cor 3:15 has sometimes been used to support the notion of purgatory, though it does not envisage this.
How can these footnotes be helpful with apologetics when they won’t help support our arguments? Especially number 8?
