It bothers me that the Priest uses a microphone

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Please don’t talk about digital organs. The musician in me just cringed. You just can’t reproduce the sound of wind through pipes electronically and ever have it be quite the same. 😉
The difference is so minute that the average person can’t tell. Furthermore, the digital organs have the advantage that the organist can practice with headphones, and no one else in the church can hear (i.o.w., prayer, adoration, etc., are not disturbed).
 
Are there any rules on priest using teleprompters? Just curious.
Not sure if its a rule but I think it’s a good idea to avoid using digital things in mass as fr as missal and readings book (forgot name) books can’t have technical issues screens can. But I think there is a rule that a missal must be used only for a missal so you couldn’t have an iPad missal that is also used for other things. Thinks like ibrievary should only be used in emergency situations aka when you don’t have a missal readily available
 
Are there any rules on priest using teleprompters? Just curious.
I would think it would depend on the usage.

To replace the missal, no. For his homily, I would think it could be OK if the teleprompter could be placed in a discrete location.
 
Aren’t a lot of newer organs designed to be used with either pipes or electronics? I would think that even if a parish has a (modern) pipe organ the organist would have the option to switch to headphones.

I know that our organ was purchased with the idea that it could be converted to use pipes (if the parish ever gets around to purchasing them.)
 
Totally agree, there are lots of people that are hard of hearing. Personally I don’t understand why everyone seems to be talk more softly every year I get older. :rolleyes:
I KNOW and have you noticed how they have started to use smaller and fuzzier print on everything

Now that brings up another new technology I like. I can make the print bigger on my kindle and I pod
 
Aren’t a lot of newer organs designed to be used with either pipes or electronics? I would think that even if a parish has a (modern) pipe organ the organist would have the option to switch to headphones.

I know that our organ was purchased with the idea that it could be converted to use pipes (if the parish ever gets around to purchasing them.)
I find that electronics sound tacky and its not *** good as the pie organ what sound much better
 
youtube.com/watch?v=CQOf20Xrd1o

The times have changed before. Now I can see still using books as part of our history. I work in a public school and one of the boys who is Jewish told us about the Torah Scroll and how long it took to write for his synagogue.
 
This probably belongs to a separate “Organ” thread, and if the moderators feel inclined to move all the organ posts to another thread, that would be OK with me. But until they do, I just can’t resist joining in this discussion.

I’m a pianist who started taking organ lessons about two years ago. I take my lessons on the best pipe organ in the city, designed by my teacher, and used for any major organ concert in the area.

I practice on the great pipe organ at my parish, and I also practice on an electronic organ at a Lutheran church.

The electronic organ is definitely kinder to the beginning organist! The electronic organ stops playing when I take my fingers off the keys or my foots off the pedal.

The pipe organ is like playing a wind or brass instrument, because you have to allow for the air to pass through the pipe and deliver the sound and then die out. So it’s a lot harder for a pianist trying to learn organ.

Also, that swell box makes noise on a pipe organ, because it’s a real box with doors that open and close. But the “swell box” in the electronic organ is electronic, so I never hear the sound of the box opening and closing–much kinder, as I said above.

As for getting this post back on the topic, the thing we all need to remember is that pipe organs nowadays are powered electronically. No one has to pump bellows to keep the pipe organ going. So those people who were born out of their proper time who want to pick and choose which “modern conveniences” to eliminate need to keep that in mind. We have enough trouble finding organists. How much worse would it be if we also had to find bellows pumpers? Maybe we could advertise at the local fitness center or gym (a NEW cardo workout that will whip those glutes and thighs into shape, and at the same time, fulfil your Mass obligation!).

I think that perhaps we all need to turn down our “it bothers me” meter when we attend Mass–and I’m including myself in that exhortation. I’m guessing that the people in countries where Catholics are persecuted and arrested for practicing their faith would look at us in disbelief (and probably disgust) if we tell them what bothers us about our Masses. I’ve seen people on CAF post that “it bothers them” when people drape their arms over the back of the pews during Mass. Or that “it bothers them” when people wear flip flops or tennis shoes instead of dress shoes. Oh, brother! I’m guessing that some people overseas would answer the question, “What bothers me during Mass?” by saying, “It bothers me when government-sanctioned soldiers march into our Mass and shoot people.”
 
This probably belongs to a separate “Organ” thread, and if the moderators feel inclined to move all the organ posts to another thread, that would be OK with me. But until they do, I just can’t resist joining in this discussion.

I’m a pianist who started taking organ lessons about two years ago. I take my lessons on the best pipe organ in the city, designed by my teacher, and used for any major organ concert in the area.

I practice on the great pipe organ at my parish, and I also practice on an electronic organ at a Lutheran church.

The electronic organ is definitely kinder to the beginning organist! The electronic organ stops playing when I take my fingers off the keys or my foots off the pedal.

The pipe organ is like playing a wind or brass instrument, because you have to allow for the air to pass through the pipe and deliver the sound and then die out. So it’s a lot harder for a pianist trying to learn organ.

Also, that swell box makes noise on a pipe organ, because it’s a real box with doors that open and close. But the “swell box” in the electronic organ is electronic, so I never hear the sound of the box opening and closing–much kinder, as I said above.

As for getting this post back on the topic, the thing we all need to remember is that pipe organs nowadays are powered electronically. No one has to pump bellows to keep the pipe organ going. So those people who were born out of their proper time who want to pick and choose which “modern conveniences” to eliminate need to keep that in mind. We have enough trouble finding organists. How much worse would it be if we also had to find bellows pumpers? Maybe we could advertise at the local fitness center or gym (a NEW cardo workout that will whip those glutes and thighs into shape, and at the same time, fulfil your Mass obligation!).

I think that perhaps we all need to turn down our “it bothers me” meter when we attend Mass–and I’m including myself in that exhortation. I’m guessing that the people in countries where Catholics are persecuted and arrested for practicing their faith would look at us in disbelief (and probably disgust) if we tell them what bothers us about our Masses. I’ve seen people on CAF post that “it bothers them” when people drape their arms over the back of the pews during Mass. Or that “it bothers them” when people wear flip flops or tennis shoes instead of dress shoes. Oh, brother! I’m guessing that some people overseas would answer the question, “What bothers me during Mass?” by saying, “It bothers me when government-sanctioned soldiers march into our Mass and shoot people.”
Very good point at the end. I also liked learning a little about the organ. I have my little quirks that bother me too. I have to take my focus off of ME and onto what matters,
 
The electronic organ is definitely kinder to the beginning organist! The electronic organ stops playing when I take my fingers off the keys or my foots off the pedal.

The pipe organ is like playing a wind or brass instrument, because you have to allow for the air to pass through the pipe and deliver the sound and then die out. So it’s a lot harder for a pianist trying to learn organ.
Tracker (as opposed to electromagnetic) pipe organs tend to be less so, since the console is generally next to the pipes. So there isn’t that delay between depressing the key and hearing the sound. But the wind chest is electronically controlled either way so you’re right on that.
 
As for getting this post back on the topic, the thing we all need to remember is that pipe organs nowadays are powered electronically. No one has to pump bellows to keep the pipe organ going. So those people who were born out of their proper time who want to pick and choose which “modern conveniences” to eliminate need to keep that in mind. We have enough trouble finding organists. How much worse would it be if we also had to find bellows pumpers? Maybe we could advertise at the local fitness center or gym (a NEW cardo workout that will whip those glutes and thighs into shape, and at the same time, fulfil your Mass obligation!).
It is a good point that the bellows is typically not hand pumped anymore. I know when someone mentioned a “digital organ” though, I was thinking more along the lines of a synthesizer or an electronic keyboard where you just hit a setting to sound like an organ.
 
It is a good point that the bellows is typically not hand pumped anymore. I know when someone mentioned a “digital organ” though, I was thinking more along the lines of a synthesizer or an electronic keyboard where you just hit a setting to sound like an organ.
You mean something like this?

youtube.com/watch?v=j6MPquYmRnI&feature=related

Looks like it adds all the reverberations of a large cathedral into it as well.
 
the age of electronics and digital…😃

I am no fan of the Pope but if ‘he’ can move with the times and use microphones and probably have an iphone and maybe a tablet, the electronic variety i mean:D

then why shouldn’t they be incorporated into the church service for those who have them if that is their way of living as such.

I am sure Jesus would have used facebook or twitter of other social media if he thought it give him ample opportunity to spread the message. Why are we suddenly so coy what happens in church yet use all the devices in our lives outside church?

Hymn books are all well and good and yes I love the feel of a good book as any other book geek but I can appreciate the use of electronics today. I was only muttering this morning that wish could download the anglican hymnal music addition from amazon onto kindle as would make it much easier to hold as they are heavy and awkward, though me being me rest mine on the shelve in front but if there a lighter and more effective way then use it, don’t shy away from it.

Admittedly if everyone were scanning the newsheet into their iphone and the few people who haven’t got iphones or prefer the paper version may feel the gap the bit more between the rich and the poor etc and wouldn’t want that to happen as happes already in churches. And the phone light may be a disturbance to anyone else but those people would be disturbed by anything and just using the phone as a chance to aire their voice of greviance and yes they need to be heard too but not be allowed to bully the church into submission of the past. The Church and church should move with the times and keep upto date and mix the old with the new to reach out to the whole wider community that it does do:blush: Jesus would I am 100% of that but people of the C/church are too set in their ways to realise they are worshipping worship rather than worship God 😦

Hmmm.
 
I find that electronics sound tacky and its not *** good as the pie organ what sound much better
Our organ speakers are pretty impressive even though they don’t have that distinctive sound of rushing air. But my point was more what Cat said in another part of this thread.
As for getting this post back on the topic, the thing we all need to remember is that pipe organs nowadays are powered electronically.
Our current organ (which is about 18 years old) is designed to use with either speakers or pipes.
 
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As for getting this post back on the topic, the thing we all need to remember is that pipe organs nowadays are powered electronically. No one has to pump bellows to keep the pipe organ going. So those people who were born out of their proper time who want to pick and choose which “modern conveniences” to eliminate need to keep that in mind. We have enough trouble finding organists. How much worse would it be if we also had to find bellows pumpers? Maybe we could advertise at the local fitness center or gym (a NEW cardo workout that will whip those glutes and thighs into shape, and at the same time, fulfil your Mass obligation!).

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I was thinking precisely about this during Mass this morning. There was a time when the pipe organ itself was new technology. Eventually it became accepted, and then required. Then the wiring of churches for electricity allowed the street urchin pumping the bellows to be replaced by an electric motor driving a fan. I dare say it didn’t take long for that to become “required.” Now we have digital replications of pipe sounds. It’s time to come at least into the last decade of the 20th century, if not all the way into the 21st.

(Of course, if the sun gives us a huge coronal mass ejection that completely blows the electrical grid up, then we’ll be back to street urchins pumping the bellows :bigyikes: )
 
I agree that microphones should be superflous and unnecessary. There are two things becoming a lost art in the Electronic Age: the ability of public speakers to project the voice, and the proper acoustical construction of buildings. The amount of money poured into sophisticated PA systems is shameful when they should not be needed. Microphones are useful for recording and for aiding the hearing impaired. One of our local parishes introduced a technology where it is possible for users of hearing-aids to tune their equipment to a particular channel to receive only sound from the mics. This is a great use of technology.

It is a simple matter of psychology that turning up the volume will cause crowds to become noisier. Just try it at a party or a bar. Having a loud PA blaring is actually less effective at encouraging respectful silence than a trained speaker properly projecting his voice.

As for the priest’s personal mic allowing him to pace to and fro while delivering the homily, that is debatable. The GIRM says the homily should be given from “the chair, the ambo, or if appropriate, in another worthy place”. My personal opinion is that pacing about is not a particularly worthy place, but it is really not for me, but the bishops to decide. Acoustically, a church should be built so that the ambo and the altar are focused locations where a speaker can be most easily heard.
 
Mics: Yes, if it helps people hear. No for choirs. Consider speaker placement. I hate sitting next to a speaker.

iPads: Yes for everything except the missal, lectionary, and Book of Gospels. Seems like a wise policy.

Candles: Electric lights are forbidden for liturgical use. It’s not like there’s much of an advantage with electric lights for such limited use. Churches use electric votive candles which I don’t like only because they’re so obviously imitation flames.

Projectors: Discouraged though they’re often used in poorer countries that don’t have missalettes for people to follow. I have no problem with it as a missalette and hymnal substitute and as an aid during homilies. No for any other use during Mass.

Organs: Some swear by pipe organs. I have no problems with digital.

Music: May not be pre-recorded. I would have no objections if pre-recorded instrumentals were allowed. The singing should be live though.

Incense: There are electric ones that don’t require charcoal. I’m not sure it’s worth it but I’m fine with it. I joked elsewhere that we can replace the incense itself with water vapor. I’m not sure how practical that is but I’d have no problems with it.
 
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