It is a Sin to Vote for Pro-Abortion Candidates

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Playing hardball doesn’t get you anywhere. Deciding to kill all the 7 year olds would cause more harm than abortion, estesbob. CWBetts - I’ve answered you. Get over it.
 
Doc_Keele said:
Playing hardball doesn’t get you anywhere. Deciding to kill all the 7 year olds would cause more harm than abortion, estesbob. CWBetts - I’ve answered you. Get over it.
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So you are a single issue voter-it just depends on the issue. Why is killing the unborn more palatable than killing 7 year olds?

I suspect, as i have mentioned before, that it is hard to have this dicussion with one who does not share a Catholic perspective. From a Catholic perspective there is no difference between killing the unborn and killing 7 year olds.

BTW-My wife saw the Beatles perform in Birmingham. She was born and raised in Aberdare , Wales. When we were dating i made to the mistake of refering to her as English-a mistake i have never repeated!
 
estesbob, you’re making a ridiculous argument, and putting up a few straw man arguments along the way.

what’s really difficult is persuading people when you totally distort their position all the time
 
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estesbob, you’re making a ridiculous argument, and putting up a few straw man arguments along the way.

what’s really difficult is persuading people when you totally distort their position all the time
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It appears i dont have any idea what you position is.
 
Doc_Keele said:
Playing hardball doesn’t get you anywhere. Deciding to kill all the 7 year olds would cause more harm than abortion, estesbob. CWBetts - I’ve answered you. Get over it.
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You have not answered me. How would killing children who have been born do more harm? There is no difference between the born and the unborn.
 
estesbob said:
Why do you make an exception for abortion which causs far more carnage than killing all 7 year olds would?
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May I please ask a question? Is it the Church that says abortion causes far more carnage that killing all 7 year olds, or is that your opinion/interpretation? I just like to know please, if that is a Catholic teaching or yours.

I know that some people on this forum have said that abortion was far worse a sin that rape, but I really need to have this clearly understood: does the Church find abortion more sinful that killing all 7 year olds?
 
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May I please ask a question? Is it the Church that says abortion causes far more carnage that killing all 7 year olds, or is that your opinion/interpretation? I just like to know please, if that is a Catholic teaching or yours.

I know that some people on this forum have said that abortion was far worse a sin that rape, but I really need to have this clearly understood: does the Church find abortion more sinful that killing all 7 year olds?
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It finds them both to be a serious sin-a sin we can not dirrectly or remotley support either with our actions or our votes.

Rape is likewise a grevious sin-since , to my knowledge, no one has ever run on a platform of legalizing rape it is of no surprise the Church has not had felt a need to give guidance on voting in this area.
 
estesbob, let’s clarify what your point is - you are by means of your extreme example making the point that if the single issue was extreme enough any reasonable person would vote on that single issue. I don’t disagree. So you’re asking why the issue of abortion doesn’t cross my personal threshold for a single issue vote. I find that the positions of candidates in UK elections aren’t collectively extreme enough for the issue of abortion to be decisive, and the practical reason for that is voting for a pro-life candidate will not achieve the delegalisation of abortion.
 
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estesbob, let’s clarify what your point is - you are by means of your extreme example making the point that if the single issue was extreme enough any reasonable person would vote on that single issue. I don’t disagree. So you’re asking why the issue of abortion doesn’t cross my personal threshold for a single issue vote. I find that the positions of candidates in UK elections aren’t collectively extreme enough for the issue of abortion to be decisive, and the practical reason for that is voting for a pro-life candidate will not achieve the delegalisation of abortion.
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In US Elections there is almost always a clear distinction between the cnaidates stand on abortion. i am aware that in Britaon that os not usually the case and am also awae that UK law is not nearly as permissable on abortion as US law is.
 
estesbob said:
I suspect, as i have mentioned before, that it is hard to have this dicussion with one who does not share a Catholic perspective. From a Catholic perspective there is no difference between killing the unborn and killing 7 year olds.
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No. This makes the incorrect assumption that the only people who would agree with that assumption are Catholic. Not true.
 
I and most Christians look forward to the end of legalized abortion. It is not enough to personally oppose abortion. We must put an end to this legalized murder.

A church that permits abortion betrays the Gospel. Individuals who fail to do their part to correct the injustice of abortion betray the very essence of being human. Abortion is not an issue. Abortion is about people and it affects all of us. Abortion requires a response from all of us, and it is a measure by which God will judge us individually and as a nation.
 
…and when did abortion come before preaching the gospel???
Is “Pro-Life” the actual religion of some Catholics?:hmmm:
 
Doc_Keele said:
…and when did abortion come before preaching the gospel???
Is “Pro-Life” the actual religion of some Catholics?:hmmm:
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Are you that obtuse? I mean, really. As a Catholic, we must accept the teachings of the Church. ALL OF THEM. We cannot pick and choose. That being the case, we must also accept the basic fact that we are to do what we can to preserve human life from conception to natural death. It really is not that hard of a concept.
 
Doc_Keele said:
…and when did abortion come before preaching the gospel???
Is “Pro-Life” the actual religion of some Catholics?:hmmm:
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All Chrisian religions are based on the Gospel of “life” None of he promises made by Jesus can be enjoyed by those who are denied life.
 
estesbob said:
All Chrisian religions are based on the Gospel of “life” None of he promises made by Jesus can be enjoyed by those who are denied life.
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Yes, I see both of you have managed to miss the point - no great surprise there:rolleyes:
 
Doc_Keele said:
Yes, I see both of you have managed to miss the point - no great surprise there:rolleyes:
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I think you are confusing “pro-lfe” as a political issue and “pro-life” as a spiritual issue.

As far as missing your “point” it appears you are the only one in the thread that understands what your “point” is.
 
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