IT IS FORBIDDEN to name your guardian angel

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Naming your will angel will 90 % of the time NOT lead to demonic posession.

BUt ytou wanna bet on the 10%?

It’s simply spiritual Physics:

Devil wants to destroy.

Devil is a deceiver.

Devil masquerades as an angel of light.

The Devil will look for any loophole into your life.

SOME people are so caught up in angelic phenomenology, that the devil will use it as a distraction and do everything he can to snowball it.
 
Gregory_I said:
Naming your will angel will 90 % of the time NOT lead to demonic posession.

BUt ytou wanna bet on the 10%?
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I do not think that made up statistics will hold much weight. I have read the Directory and it does not mention demonic possession. Is there anywhere that the Catholic Church has linked demonic possession with naming a guardian angel?

While I have no problem avoiding any practice that the Vatican says is to be discouraged, I can not help but note the irony of this thread in this forum where other “discouraged” practices have been so often defended. Interestingly enough, the arguments are so often the same, with only the sides and the details being changed.
 
I know someone who was once told by a priest in a class that the priest had learned how a person could determine the name of his/her guardian angel. The priest said he had learned the name of his angel and would provide details at a later date but never did.

Coincidentally I started a thread today on the Diary Of Saint Maria Faustina. In addition to visions and conversations with Jesus and Mary, the diary describes several meetings with her guardian angel. Her angel led her into both heaven and purgatory, and visibly (only to Sister Faustina) accompanied her on trips.

For all Saint Faustina’s spiritual experiences she notably was not given her angel’s name.

IMNSHO if she didn’t get a name, I highly doubt we are meant to pursue the idea and I would side with the comments posted by Gregory I.
 
For the record, I don’t think it’s a good idea to try to know our angel’s name or togive them a name like a pet.

But I believe the latter to a lesser degree. If i give the name Mario to my angel and his name is realy Luigi is my angel going to say to a demon in the room “she must be talking to you, the name given to me by God is Luigi,” and busy himself with other things? Or will my angel do their version of an eyeroll, indicating he thinks it’s silly and here my call. Or is it like the Farside cartoon what dogs really hear “blah bhah blah Ginger blah blah blah Ginger” only in reverse?
 
Bruised_Reed said:
If i give the name Mario to my angel and his name is realy Luigi is my angel going to say to a demon in the room “she must be talking to you, the name given to me by God is Luigi,” and busy himself with other things?
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No, the demon would tell the angel that the princess is in another castle. 🙂

I don’t think your own angel would be offended by the attempt to give the angel a name, and certainly an angel wouldn’t resort to such trickery, but the danger is that a demon could masquerade as the angel and try to use the name you have “given” the angel to fool you.
 
I’ve read various versions of the passage of scripture in 2 Corinthians 11:14, and I don’t detect the faintest trace of this counsel from St. Paul being the least bit contingent on whether someone attempts to name or to discover the name of their guardian Angel.

Neither does it appear to be hinged on whether one names one’s cat, names the picnic table in the park down the street, dyes the feathers on a budgie’s head, shaves a squirrel, or eats a slice of apple pie upside down.

Newsflash people: Satan masquerades as an angel of light. … that’s it. He has that power.

As I posted earlier, I do not seek to know the proper name of my own guardian Angel. But neither do I wish to address him solely by his dictionary definition during my entire life on earth spent under his benevolent guidance. There are permissible options between these two reference points which I personally consider much more conducive to dialogue than the dictionary definition … and we are free to use them.

And even though I do not have to ask his forgiveness, hey , who knows ?.. Maybe one day I might even be bold enough to apologize or express my regret to him for those times when my sinning has dishonoured his presence.

🙂
 
I am not against having a relationship with your guardian angel. I am against having a relationship with your guardian angel based on sensual desires (Discovering his name, trying to learn to see him or commune more deeply) The moresimple souls can be led astray. THe reason is in most occultic high magick, the practice and goal is to discover the name of your guardian angel and attain the highest level of unity with them. Crowleyan magick, Golden Dawn, Wicca, etc.

NOw I admit that not everyone who wants to know their angels name will get drawn into magick, but like I said, some may pick up one of those stupid fuzzy new age books about communing with your guardian angel, and it’s all down hill.

DOn’t live like Satan doesn’t exist. Be watchful.
 
Gregory_I said:
I am not against having a relationship with your guardian angel. I am against having a relationship with your guardian angel based on sensual desires (Discovering his name, trying to learn to see him or commune more deeply) The moresimple souls can be led astray. THe reason is in most occultic high magick, the practice and goal is to discover the name of your guardian angel and attain the highest level of unity with them. Crowleyan magick, Golden Dawn, Wicca, etc…
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Okay, I admit, I probably overdid it a little in the last post [sorry ( ⭕) ) ] but what I meant to imply was that, even if we weren’t to seek the name of our guardian Angel, there doesn’t seem to be anything definitively preventing Satan from perhaps attempting to masquerade as him anyway. I’m afraid I’m not up to speed on all the latest magic, but I agree again, and was once told by my spiritual director that certain occult practices can provide a “way in” for the demons and not only the practices but even inanimate objects which are used for the occult can have some type of influence in that same direction. He has a lot more experience than I do in that particular domain, so I take his word for it.
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…one of those stupid fuzzy new age books …
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Gregory_I said:
DOn’t live like Satan doesn’t exist. Be watchful.
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I agree again, I might place loving God, my brothers and sisters ahead in priority, but always concious that satan exists - for me, it’s one more reason to frequently invoke my guardian Angel. Once people try to deny satan’s existence it usually isn’t too long afterwards that they subsequently start to deny the existence of sin.
  • On one of Fr. John Corapi’s videos, he speaks about the time when he was a rich, successful multimillion dollar real-estate agent in LA (about to become hooked on cocaine) and that he was in the recording studio when a band he was acquainted with were finishing off their album. They called in a warlock to dedicate their new album to Satan. Father Corapi said he witnessed that. He said he also witnessed a warlock pronouncing a curse on a shipment of drugs that had been smuggled in - a curse to help those who moved the drugs to elude detection, and (get this) a curse so that the drugs would have a more devastating effect on those who would take them.
 
quite a few years ago my sister told me she thought her guardian angel is named William ?I told her the churches teaching…she said ok. I looked up the meaning of the name…“happy guardian”.

peace
 
Jerry111 said:
Coincidentally I started a thread today on the Diary Of Saint Maria Faustina. In addition to visions and conversations with Jesus and Mary, the diary describes several meetings with her guardian angel. Her angel led her into both heaven and purgatory, and visibly (only to Sister Faustina) accompanied her on trips.

For all Saint Faustina’s spiritual experiences she notably was not given her angel’s name.
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As to this, all we can truly say is that no name for St Faustina’s Guardian Angel was recorded.

She may have learned the name.

Lack of evidence is not evidence of lack.

Back in my early days as a Catholic I was told that if you pray and ask your Guardian Angel his name that he may give it to you. I did so and a name was given. I never use that name in my prayers or for any other purpose. I really do not know why I even asked for a name in the first place.

But I do not see how having a name for your Guardian Angel can lead to demonic possession.

I would be interested in seeing an acutal Church Document that says this also as pnewton has requested.
 
The church doesn’t have to rule on this, because it has been the living experience of the church since the brginning. Satan is cunning and subtle and will use any means to get to people. Every instance I have ever seen of any person requesting the name of an angel, it only occurs in one historical context: Sorcery, and divination.

Yes, people can involuntarily lead themselves into demonic bondage: Classic example, ouija board. No while you COULD ask your guardian angel to speak to you through a ouija board, would you believe it was him, or an evil spirit? If you ask an angel for his name, why are you so certain you are speaking to the right kind of angel?

Why would an angel give you his name?
 
Gregory_I said:
The church doesn’t have to rule on this, because it has been the living experience of the church since the brginning. Satan is cunning and subtle and will use any means to get to people. Every instance I have ever seen of any person requesting the name of an angel, it only occurs in one historical context: Sorcery, and divination.

Yes, people can involuntarily lead themselves into demonic bondage: Classic example, ouija board. No while you COULD ask your guardian angel to speak to you through a ouija board, would you believe it was him, or an evil spirit? If you ask an angel for his name, why are you so certain you are speaking to the right kind of angel?

Why would an angel give you his name?
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Why would I give you my name?
 
It depends on your intention: TO either exploit me or befriend me.
 
Can you please give me an example of what the devil could do to try to deceive us in this way please. Thanks
 
Gregory_I said:
It depends on your intention: TO either exploit me or befriend me.
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You may have answered your question.

Here’s another.

Why would you withhold your name when asked for it by someone in good faith?
 
Again, the most clear-cut example relating to our topic that we can find in sacred scripture comes from the book of Genesis, when Jacob wrestled with the Angel :

Genesis 32:29-30

… “You shall no longer be spoken of as Jacob, but as Israel, because you have contended with divine and human beings and have prevailed.”

Jacob then asked him, “Do tell me your name, please.” He answered, “Why should you want to know my name?” With that, he bade him farewell. .

In the Angel, Jacob obviously recognized some type of likeness or reflection of the attributes of God … might we say something *beyond the human *? It explains why Jacob refused to let the Angel go until the Angel blessed him. The Angel confirms this with the words, “you have contended with divine and human beings …”

That would increase exponentially the future danger of idolatry - if Jacob had been given a name … a danger which the Angel (being from God and being fully aware of that potential for idolatry) would have snuffed out before it could even give off a spark.

Old Testament names quite commonly referred directly or indirectly to what one did in life - to a function, we might say. So it also is with God’s holy Angels. Even God Himself, when asked the legitimate question by Moses , “Whom shall I say sent me”, answered, “I Am Who Am.” And this is God. It is the very essence of God to exist because He is Almighty and eternal - everlasting to everlasting.

Apparently, the amount of Holy Angels’ names already revealed to us through sacred scripture is precisely that which God deems best for us. And without a need arising in time for God to change the name He Himself gives to our guardian Angel, it can potentially be a very arrogant thing, not only to think we would know the name God gives to our own guarian Angel, but to believe we might ever be able to understand that name , because in all liklihood, from what we know, it would describe the Angel’s function.

Instead, we are counselled to proceed cautiously when we look any further than our own human description of our guardian Angel’s function.

It brings us right back to the words of the Angel to Jacob:

“Why should you want to know my name ?”

Expand on the question now, and try to read between the lines : What good will it do you ?
What motivates you - curiosity ?

As posted previously, there are lots of ways to refer to one’s guardian Angel intimately without presuming to understand the name God Himself gave to our Angel .

🙂
 
Expanding slightly on NeedImprovement’s point (which is not to say he or she endorses my speculation) … if an angel’s name is linked to their function, as it customarily (invariably?) is, and said function involves their protection of you, perhaps knowing their name is in many cases too self-revelatory. I mean, if the angel’s name is “One-of-God-Who-Busts-Behind-to-Shelter-My-Servant-Who’s-Always-on-the-Verge-of-Damnation-for-a-Myriad-of-Reasons,” that’s probably not something you need to hear.

Requesting the name in prayer would be perfectly acceptable, I’d imagine—had it not been discouraged by the Church. That makes it iffy, at best. Attempting to acquire it through any other means is divination, which is forbidden us as Christians.

Your Guardian Angel, arguably, performs a security function. He’s not there to be your buddy or make you happy, but to serve as your protector and thus keep you safe. If he enfolds you in his wings, it’s probably not to give you a hug, but to shield you from something only his wings can deflect. He doesn’t need constant compliments and appreciation; an occasional acknowledgment via his function/title (i.e., Guardian Angel) is more than enough. You don’t need to know a cop’s first name to say, “Thanks, Officer So-and-So. I appreciate it.”

And I’m sure he’s more than happy to reply, “Just doin’ my job, man.”
 
Demons are cast down angels. The trouble with the thought of interacting with a specific angel is that the angel is not of the Trinity.

Invocation is a gamble, too much for some to deal with. Look at this prayer to St Michael
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Saint Michael the Archangel, defend us in battle.
Be our protection against the wickedness and snares of the devil.
May God rebuke him, we humbly pray;
and do Thou, O Prince of the Heavenly Host -
by the Divine Power of God -
cast into hell, satan and all the evil spirits,
who roam throughout the world seeking the ruin of souls.

One can argue we are invoking St Michael’s protection, but in these prayers, we are invoking the power of God, and in this particular prayer, by the very words, no demon would approach the one(s) praying that prayer. What the prayer invokes, evil cannot destroy.

But ad-lib your own invocation of one’s personal angel, and one can open himself up to demonic attack, especially if one speaks his angel’s name. The demon may ask the person’s name.

Probably won’t happen to most of us, but if it does, we had better call for the Father, Son, and/or the Holy Ghost and forget that angel we assume is playing along.

jmo
 
Thanks, AT TRENT, I appreciate your (name removed by moderator)ut.

Okay, when I posted this thread, please do not get the impression this is all I think about. It’s not.

But the ravaging, rampaging lions, the fallen spirits that dwell in the air will do everything they can do destroy us.

DO you seriously think they play fair?!

DO you think they’re considerate and are just going to give you an easy pass?

If it seems like they are, you’re doing something wrong. Or not enough. 😉

Our battle is not against Flesh and blood, but against principalities, rulers, and the spiritual wickedness in high places of this present darkness!

I really do NOT want to recommend ANYONE here to read some of the books on high magick…but…that’s what goes into it. Learning the names of spirits and the way they basically suck you in and waste you.

A demon does not need to posses you, they only need to get you into hell. So if you are in a state of grace, but a fragile soul taht needs constant spiritual pampering, you are on their list. ALl they need to do is get you to maybe give in to habits and patterns and behaviors and ways of thinking that are intrinsically conducive to sin (like asserting YOUR rights, making sure you have YOUR time, and that you take spiritual matters into your own hands where they can further deceive you).

And they can get your ear by appearing as someone close to you: Like yourt guardian angel. SO,
If you have NAMED your guardian angel, then they have a GUISE under which to appear to you that you will not question!

Because you trust your angel right? If you’re close to your angel you’ll listen to them right?
That’s their door in.

And THEY WILL USE IT.
 
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