It is NOT immoral to vote for Democrats

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FatherMerrin said:
He doesn’t sound like much of a priest. I hope he’s been excommunicated.
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Sorry, but the situation as described doesn’t pass the common sense test. I think there are a few key points left out of the story.
 
ChristMyLife said:
That’s a ridiculous argument.

There’s ALWAYS someone who is in more need or a worse situation than you…

It doesn’t mean the situation you’re in isnt dire or won’t lead to death.
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Oh, my view is ridiculous but expecting the government to house me, clothe me, feed me is not ridiculous nor is voting for politicians who do not respect the sanctity of life. Thank you, very conversant and civil and Catholic.
 
Salmonslayer said:
Human beings literally lived in mud huts and teepees made from animal hides and survived. Lack of housing usually means lack of housing comparable to what someone else has.
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So you think in todays world in America it’s acceptable and in accord with human dignity for people to live in huts and tents with no plumbing, no electrictiy, no heat or air conditioning?
 
This is the biggest issue I see… anyone who suggests that perhaps the poor should be prioritized is automatically condemned as a pro-abortion monster.
Where have I ever, in 14 years on this forum, once implied support for abortion? Not saying you should be familiar with my entire posting history - but I also didn’t imply such on this thread.
I think the Democrats and Republicans are both at odds with the Church and both on non-negotiable issues.
 
Putting the death penalty into the conversation is, while not something, I would be called a “red herring”, is not especially applicable, because most of our states simply do not use the death penalty, there are only about a dozen that do. A clear minority.

Also, I would not forget Pope Benedict wrote up on the death penalty.
 
twf said:
This is the biggest issue I see… anyone who suggests that perhaps the poor should be prioritized is automatically condemned as a pro-abortion monster.
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And so, poorer people are in Africa and Latin America, some Arab countries. If we are truly following the teachings of Christ, why not should we make an effort to take care of the poorest first? Bangladesh and so on?
 
MikeInVA said:
Sorry, but the situation as described doesn’t pass the common sense test. I think there are a few key points left out of the story.
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He was a good priest and I wouldn’t want to see him excommunicated or anything.

It’s just that he seemed to lack any sort of understanding of the direness of our situation… He seemed unable to relate to what we were experiencing, and so he was totally incapable of actually helping us in any meaningful way.

Maybe if his Bishop ordered him to go and walk and live with the homeless in our city for a couple weeks it would have opened his eyes and he could have been more useful to people in those situations…

That’s what our Holy Father Pope Francis did… He used to be called “the slum Bishop” because of how much time he spent working with and shepherding the destitute.

It’s also what our Savior Jesus Christ did.

Our Holy Father Francis is a shining beacon of what a Man of God looks like.
 
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An example was made of one seeing their own burn in a fire. Fair enough. Christian Charities, Gospel Rescue Missions do operate widely in the US. Perhaps, in full, from soup kitchens, feeding people daily, the Church does do more than the Government in this area.

@ChristMyLife

You were but able to use one specific example as applied to yourself.
 
Read Matthew 25. What does Our Lord emphasize as a requirement for salvation? Caring for the poor.
He talks very little about avoiding sexual sin. He talks very little about getting to Mass every Sunday. These are very important… but what he emphasizes first and foremost is caring for the poor and warns damnation awaits those who don’t…
 
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twf said:
We should. The Popes have long called for more effort on this front.
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Good. So, following this, the homeless who are more at the edge than many in the US should be taken care of in places like Haiti, India and so on.
 
Victoria33 said:
. If we are truly following the teachings of Christ, why not should we make an effort to take care of the poorest first? Bangladesh and so on
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You have to help yourself before you can help others.

That doesn’t mean sending missions to those extremely poor countries is wrong - St. Mother Theresa did a wonderful thing in what she accomplished.

But we also need to take care of our own poor and suffering.
 
twf said:
Read Matthew 25. What does Our Lord emphasize as a requirement for salvation? Carrying for the poor.
He talks very little about avoiding sexual sin. He talks very little about getting to Mass every Sunday. These are very important… but what he emphasizes first and foremost is caring for the poor and warns damnation awaits those who don’t…
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This is protestantism and somewhat offensive to Roman Catholic followers. I’m not sure where you are coming from but our Church does have apostolic succession and indeed, feeds, clothes, has martyrs fairly routinely from aiding the poor. This point of view as well, I must say is somewhat misinformed as well.
 
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ChristMyLife said:
You’re so far out there I don’t even know where to begin refuting that.

Before I carry this conversation any further, I need an answer from you @Salmonslayer: how old are you?
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Age would be irrelevant and now, I note, with the slight bit of adverse reactions to your ideas, now someone is subtly insulted. I would ask you not to do this but treat others as equals. And yes, I know the post was not addressed to me.
 
Salmonslayer said:
I’ve made better choices than her, I don’t think other people should have to foot the bill to subsidize her poor decision making so she can continue making those poor decisions in comfort.
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@Salmonslayer

Matthew 25:41-46

Then he will say to those on his left, ‘Depart from me, you accursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels. For I was hungry and you gave me no food, I was thirsty and you gave me no drink, a stranger and you gave me no welcome, naked and you gave me no clothing, ill and in prison, and you did not care for me.’ Then they will answer and say, ‘Lord, when did we see you hungry or thirsty or a stranger or naked or ill or in prison, and not minister to your needs?’ He will answer them, ‘Amen, I say to you, what you did not do for one of these least ones, you did not do for me.’ And these will go off to eternal punishment, but the righteous to eternal life.”

“Depart from me, you accursed.” Those are pretty frightening words - and those are also the words Our Lord assures those who don’t care for the poor will hear on the dreadful Day.
 
ChristMyLife said:
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Killing a person is far worse than not giving him affordable housing (something the democratic party is big on).
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Isn’t a lack of housing a death sentence though?

Have you ever been homeless? Do you know what the homeless have to live through? How many die from drugs?

IMO, homelessness is as big of an issue as abortion.
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Here is a statement by the Bishops of Dallas and Ft. Worth. Please read as it addresses many of the comments you have been making. They specifically state that the subject of abortion MUST carry more weight than the other concerns you mention.

 
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