It is NOT immoral to vote for Democrats

[ChristMyLife]

have a moral responsibility as Christians to provide healthcare to those who can’t afford it. We cannot have the government declare healthcare a right, because that means one person has the right to have medical professionals provide services for free, and hospitals to provide beds and equipment for free.

That’s where I see a major disconnect in many posters logic…

This isn’t Europe in 1418 where the Church is tied in with the State so all charity flows from the Church.

It is America in 2018, where the Church simply doesn’t have the resources or political standing to help the poor with what the poor need.

Therefore, those in the Church should be willing to pay extra taxes as a form of charity so that the State can step in and help the poor, because the State has the apparatus necessary to help the huge amounts of poor in the US, whereas the Church does not.

 

[twf]

Protestantism? Are you serious?
I’m simply repeating the Lord’s own words. In the Gospel, Christ emphasizes care for the poor more than avoiding sexual sin or going to Mass… that’s just an objective fact. My point being: it must be pretty darn important.

For the record, it’s Catholics NOT Protestants that teach that salvation is dependent upon doing good works… such as caring for the poor.

 

[ChristMyLife]

Nobody has a “right” in the constitutional sense to those things.

That’s up for debate.

But the Church expicitly teaches that they have a basic human right to those things by virtue of their being a human being worthy of human dignity.

 

[Victoria33]

The Church which you just denigrated does more to help the poor 365 days a year than the government. I will not include welfare dependency on the government, not all of it at least. Your statement is beyond the pale.

The Church, meaning all Christian charities. Not just Catholics, feed the hungry, help the sick.

No, the government does NOT have the means to take care of things. No way.

 

[KMC]

KMC:

Nobody has a “right” in the constitutional sense to those things.

That’s up for debate.

But the Church expicitly teaches that they have a basic human right to those things by virtue of their being a human being worthy of human dignity.

no its not up for debate, unless of course you are arguing for slavery. Are you? Should doctors work for free? Should farmers work for free since you think food is a right? Should the supermarket provide food for free since food is a right? Should homebuilders work for free since you think housing is a right?

Again, I’m willing to bet you feel there should be just compensations for goods and services provided, so those things (housing, healthcare, food, etc) CANNOT be rights in the constitutional sense. They are a moral responsibility.

 

[ChristMyLife]

Church which you just denigrated does more to help

How is reciting the truth denigrating the Church?

I’m sorry if the truth hurts, but it’s what I’ve experienced as a poor and disabled person in America today.

From what I’ve seen the Church is utterly incapable of meeting the needs of the poor in America, so that means the Church must support the State which does have the means of meeting the needs of the poor in America.

Unless of course all the talk about helping the poor is just empty talk.

What difference does it make to the poor family whether their thanksgiving meal is provided by Catholic Charities or Govt food stamps? Do you think the kids at the table will know or care? It makes not one iota of a difference.

 

[RealisticCatholic]

The Church which you just denigrated does more to help the poor 365 days a year than the government.

How did he denigrate the Church? Do you disagree that the Church doesn’t have the same resources that the government does? The Church does a superb job around the world, in hospitals, education, charity, and so on. but the Church today cannot be the only group of humans responsible for these things.

 

[Victoria33]

You don’t have Catholic written on your profile and by the way, the Church has provided many martyrs through the aim of helping the poor, it feeds millions every day, it clothes many daily. I just don’t see how anyone could miss that fact to be expounding on the Gospel of St. Matthew.

 

[RealisticCatholic]

What difference does it make to the poor family whether their thanksgiving meal is provided by Catholic Charities or Govt food stamps? Do you think the kids at the table will know or care? It makes not one iota of a difference.

Unfortunately, it’s because people are sensitive to their political ideologies and preferences. They read today through the lens of political party instead of Christ or Church.

Many people today are more quick to defend Trump (or Clinton, or whoever) than Christ or Pope Francis, because they feel the political alignment more near and dear.

As Catholics, we should follow Christ and Church first, and defend him first, before political party.

 

[Augustinian]

It is America in 2018, where the Church simply doesn’t have the resources or political standing to help the poor with what the poor need.

Not exactly true at all. Here in Pittsburgh, the Pittsburgh Mercy Health System- led and founded by the Sisters of Mercy- run the street medicine program “Operation Safety Net”.

Another Pittsburgh nun, Sister Liguori runs the Jubilee Kitchen which feeds many of Pittsburgh’s destitute.

Other indigents are helped by non-Catholic run charitable outfits for health care, food and shelter.

 

[neophyte]

It is also immoral to vote for, say, the Republicans because you think poor people don’t deserve health care or because you dislike Mexicans.

Not to mention the fact that voting Republican in that case wouldn’t help your cause.

 

[TheAmazingGrace]

I think it lacks charity to make such a trite remark about this topic. We did not elect a Magician. I think your remark is very unkind and clearly, unrealistic if it was not meant that way. Miss the death threats issued to Kavanaugh’'s family perhaps?

That’s a little OTT and off-topic, but whatevs.

 

[Victoria33]

the State has the apparatus necessary to help the huge amounts of poor in the US, whereas the Church does not.

The Church surely helps many more people daily and I’m not counting what is in some cases, a dependency on welfare which is not helping the poor.

 

[JSAD]

here we go again, just how are Republicans denying healthcare to the poor? Failed Obamacare has also ballooned medical insurance premiums for the middle class , thus inhibiting them as well.

 

[ChristMyLife]

Not exactly true at all. Here in Pittsburgh, the Pittsburgh Mercy Health System- led and founded by the Sisters of Mercy- run the street medicine program “Operation Safety Net”.

Another Pittsburgh nun, Sister Liguori runs the Jubilee Kitchen which feeds many of Pittsburgh’s destitute.

Whatever the Church can muster for charity is SUPERB.

I’m not arguing one bit against the Church in her charitable missions doing what she can do.

What I AM arguing is that the needs of the poor in America far ourweigh the Church’s ability to help meet those needs - so the Church and those in the Church shouldn’t have any issue with the State helping make ends meet for the poor when the Church is overburdened and unable to do it.

I would much prefer if 100% of the welfare to the poor was being ministered by the Church… But It’s simply unfeasible in todays world for that to be the case.

 

[otrrl]

I can’t defend the priest’s affect but I don’t think the average parish has the resources to help anybody with overwhelming needs. You’d probably get the same rejection at mostly any Christian church you went to, for the same reason.

My parish donates funds every week to agencies which help people in need. I think it is vain to use Jesus’ name to suggest what he might have done.

A lot of people struggle with the same needs you have. I get taxed to provide benefits for veterans and now they’re opening a recreation hall for veterans to spend time with each other. I’m not a veteran and I don’t think they would do anything for me if I became disabled, do you?

 

[KMC]

Voting for Democrats is nowhere near as immoral as voting for Republicans at this point. Trump is, by far, the most satanically influenced man to ever live in the White House. You could make an argument about how voting for “the lesser of two evils” isn’t a solution, but a man like Trump flat-out eradicates any gray areas that might exist between the two parties.

Seriously, President Trump could easily become the 21st century equivalent of King Herod if he’s granted enough time in the Oval Office. He’s cut from the same cloth.

Hyperbole much?

 

[ChristMyLife]

Failed Obamacare has also ballooned medical insurance premium

Medicaid expansion is working pretty well for me.

My hepatitis C was treated thanks to Medicaid…

 

[ChristMyLife]

get taxed to provide benefits for veterans and now they’re opening a recreation hall for veterans to spend time with each other. I’m not a veteran and I don’t think they would do anything for me if I became disabled, do you?

I would hope they would.

If you were disabled and I had the means to help you I would regardless of your status as a veteran or not.

 

[njlisa]

We have secret ballot voting for reason.