It pains me to write this. No, it really does

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You can read this full article at Catholic1.net and comment on it, but I thought I would make a generic post here…

Pain is to bring us “in union with the passion of Christ” and it “becomes a participation in the saving work of Jesus.” (CCC 1521). Pain, if not wasted, can be a beautiful prayer.

Those who promote euthanasia as a means to end pain deny the gift from God to bring one’s eternal soul closer to our Blessed Lord. A man has less need for God when he is comfortable and healthy. But, when he is suffering, his soul cries out “Jesus, mercy!”

What are your thoughts on pain? Are there certain things you do or prayers you do when you are in pain?

-Travis Dover
KoC, Catholic
 
Fatima Sacrifice Prayer

Oh my Jesus,
it is for love of You,
in reparation for the offenses committed
against the Immaculate Heart of Mary,
and for the conversion of poor sinners.

Amen.

(I like to add,
“and for the poor souls in purgatory.”)
 
What are your thoughts on pain?
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Pain is usually a signal that something is hurting us. When our finger burns we yank it away from the frying pan. When our toothe aches, we call a dentist.
Are there certain things you do or prayers you do when you are in pain?
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If removing the source of the pain isn’t possible, and I’m not worried about missing additional pain signals, I make take an Advil, a Percocet, or morphine to reduce the pain.
Those who promote euthanasia as a means to end pain.
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If only pain awaited me the rest of my life, I’d have no qualms about euthanasia. 🙂
 
the_phoenix said:
Fatima Sacrifice Prayer

Oh my Jesus,
it is for love of You,
in reparation for the offenses committed
against the Immaculate Heart of Mary,
and for the conversion of poor sinners.

Amen.

(I like to add,
“and for the poor souls in purgatory.”)
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Very beautiful, I’ll remember that. Thank you.
 
It may be my old Gothic lifestyle speaking, but I believe that suffering can definitely be a catalyst that produces beauty. And it doesn’t take a Catholic to see that, despite the fact that everyone but us and the artsy farts feel that such a thing is taboo.

So, when I’m in pain I try to see the beauty in it. I usually fail at that, but if you can rejoice in Christ over the worst things in your life, you will be unstoppable. Of course, prudence would dictate that you try to avoid or undo the suffering in the first place, but if it’s inevitable then just do what you can to hijack it and use it to your advantage.

:evil laugh:
 
the_phoenix said:
Fatima Sacrifice Prayer

Oh my Jesus,
it is for love of You,
in reparation for the offenses committed
against the Immaculate Heart of Mary,
and for the conversion of poor sinners.

Amen.

(I like to add,
“and for the poor souls in purgatory.”)
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Yup!
 
When we’re in excruciating agony all we can do is beg for relief. We can offer it as proof of our love for Our Lord and gratitude for His sacrifice for us on the Cross for us but it is unrealistic to think we can always overcome our physical limitations. There comes a stage at which we’re no longer responsible for our thoughts or feelings before we lapse into unconsciousness…
 
I look at pain as a message that something needs attention. As nurse we treat both the injury and the accompanying pain, both because it is merciful and untreated pain can cause problems in itself, for example someone after abdomen surgery with poorly treated pain can develop chest infection and blood clots in the leg because they will avoid moving and coughing when in pain.

I think receptive suffering is good for the pain we cannot avoid, and voluntarily so long as we do not seek to destroy our health.

And of course if it came down to being given the choice of cooperating with evil or suffering to the point of death, we do have a choice like the Martyrs that have suffered throughout history.
 
I always offer all my pains, sufferings and infirmities for the suffering souls in purgutory and for my own aberations. I hope by doing this I am having some of my sins remitted.
 
mark_a said:
How about if she wasn’t of sound mind. Just wonderin’.
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That would depend on the specifics of the situation–who had power of attorney, what she wrote in her living will, what wishes she expressed to family members prior to no longer being of sound mind, etc. Normally, you know something about family members whom you’re responsible to make medical decisions for. At least that has been my life experience.
 
LifeIsAbsurd said:
That would depend on the specifics of the situation–who had power of attorney, what she wrote in her living will, what wishes she expressed to family members prior to no longer being of sound mind, etc. Normally, you know something about family members whom you’re responsible to make medical decisions for. At least that has been my life experience.
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I am so happy I am a devout Catholic and see the world in strict black and white so I wouldn’t have to “consider all the aspects” of a situation. For instance, abortion is always evil, and so is euthanasia. Obviously, if a person is being only artificially kept alive by machines with no brain activity, they are dead. But we should respect life from the day it is conceived, to a natural death. I may go through great pain when I am near death, and I hope I am strong enough to offer every bit of it up. If not, I will accept pain-killing medication and treatment, but I won’t allow someone to help me commit suicide.

And, nobody ever put me in charge of their living will because if their is any chance for them to recover, I will not allow them to be terminated for the hospital’s space and money issues.

God love you,

Travis Dover
 
Alright its time for common sense.

Now…while we know that the Blessed Virgin advised at Fatima that we must accept and bear the sufferings that Our Lord has sent us…we must also understand that Our Lady and Our Lord recognize that our BRAINS are in motion.

If…someone had a cut, a broken leg, whatever…how long do you think that person would survive in the natural wilderness? I will answer…not long. The scent of blood would first bring the flies, then infection, then all the critters. A broken leg in the presence of a hungry animal is supper time.

You guys gotta get real. God is not stupid and he would not think that the human being is brain dead. In fact spirituality is all about common sense…Are most of you all re-born Catholics? This is the impression I’m getting…retiree’s picking up the pieces after the fun in the hippie sun is over.

When we understand that preseverence is important, it is in the fortitude of our thinking mind. That is where…I will repeat…that is where the soul understands what it longs for. If the individual does not have the freedom to discern what the soul longs for, then there is no reconciliation or other. \What do I mean other , does any one know?

VALUE
reread with value in mind with attention to the thinking soul-person and virtue fortitude.

Therefore the idea in Our Lady telling us to bear with submission is relative to what we long for which describes our individualism and who…we are. Its not a matter of a harry carry devastation of torture like experience offering up to our lord…It is the mental freedom in accepting our lives. Our lives have nothing to do with a natural torture because…naturally we’d be dead very very quickly…Most pain is prolonged by artificially prolonged ideas in the first place. Think about it… things like pull the plug, medicine to keep people ticking…well ok, but the natural way, is allot less painful, 24 hours in the bush and good night Not arguing of course against medicine but you all gotta get real with what would naturally happen in guess what…? The world God decided to create…thats ultimately what were working with…
 
Is the “common sense” somewhere in what you just wrote? Because I couldn’t really follow any of it… God created man with a brain to develope medicine and technology so we can care more adequately for ourselves, so we aren’t dinner when we break a leg. Is it your opinion that life man should be treated like an animal and left to fend for himself? Please inform me, because I do not believe God is stupid. Thank you.

God love you,

Travis
 
TravisDover said:
You can read this full article at Catholic1.net and comment on it, but I thought I would make a generic post here…

Pain is to bring us “in union with the passion of Christ” and it “becomes a participation in the saving work of Jesus.” (CCC 1521). Pain, if not wasted, can be a beautiful prayer.

Those who promote euthanasia as a means to end pain deny the gift from God to bring one’s eternal soul closer to our Blessed Lord. A man has less need for God when he is comfortable and healthy. But, when he is suffering, his soul cries out “Jesus, mercy!”

What are your thoughts on pain? Are there certain things you do or prayers you do when you are in pain?

-Travis Dover
KoC, Catholic
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God does not give us pain. However if we do suffer, I think it is a great thing to offer it to share in Christ’s passion. That advice was given on a thread on CAF. I try to follow that advice and offer it up, forget often of course. It is of course sometimes easier said than done. Sometimes, the pain may be so bad that there is no ability to think and say even a mental prayer.

Of course, we should not be “martyrs” and refuse medical treatment and painkillers.
 
LifeIsAbsurd said:
That would depend on the specifics of the situation–who had power of attorney, what she wrote in her living will, what wishes she expressed to family members prior to no longer being of sound mind, etc. Normally, you know something about family members whom you’re responsible to make medical decisions for. At least that has been my life experience.
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Thank you for the thoughtful reply.
 
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