It seems that many protestant churches do not cover.........

[CatholicKnight3]

Who is self righteous?
I replied with sincerity and supported my point with valid resources.
You have replied with nothing that supports your claim the lectionary covers the whole bible.
All you are doing is spreading a falsehood that only does Catholics harm, which is why I must correct you.

You did come across arrogant. You do need to tell me to “read a sincere response” before replying.

When I said in my original post that the bible is covered approximately every 3 years or so, is not really the underlining point.

Not even close to the point. It was a basic claim. The more important point is we get a reading each day, over a specific time period (whether it be 3 years or maybe 5 years) the entire bible is covered.

Again, it is about getting daily readings, and those readings relating to one another.

You want to get all caught up in my claim of 3 years, feel free. With the legalistic statistical analysis and then obfuscating from the more important point.

Also, my response to your post was me asking a polite question.

***True enough. However, from what I have read, the entire bible is covered around every 3 years or so.

Is that true?

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I said from what I have heard the bible is covered every 3 years, and I asked if that was true.

 

[yellowantphil]

The entire bible. Most of them do not have daily services. Many of them are limited to a Wednesday, Friday and/or Sunday. That would make it rather impossible to cover the entire bible.

No, it’s still possible. Calvary Chapel teaches through the entire (Protestant) Bible, and they only have services on Sundays and Wednesdays. It takes years and years, but if you attend their services long enough, you will have heard a large portion of the Bible—probably more than what you’ll hear in daily mass, although it depends on how much the Calvary Chapel pastor wants to read. I used to attend a church like this, and we didn’t read every word of certain passages in the Old Testament. We skimmed genealogies, for example. But the sermon was always about the Bible passage, so you would at least hear commentary on everything in the Protestant Bible.

If they added in the deuterocanonical books, the cycle would take a few more years, but that wouldn’t be much of a problem.

 

[CatholicKnight3]

I came across these statistics.

Are these true?

Book(s) (verses) . . . . . . Sundays only . . Sundays & Weekdays

Entire Bible (35478). . . . . . 14% (5035) . . . 30% (10722)
Old Testament (27524) . . . 6% (1663) . . . . 18% (4830)

Genesis (1532) . . . . . . . . . 8% (123) . . . . . 27% (420)
Exodus (1213). . . . . . . . . . 10% (127) . . . . 20% (245)
Leviticus (859). . . . . . . . . . 1% (8). . . . . . . 5% (41)
Numbers (1288. . . . . . . . . 1% (17). . . . . . 6% (82)
Deuteronomy (959). . . . . . 5% (52). . . . . . 13% (123)
Joshua (657). . . . . . . . . . . 2% (10). . . . . . 7% (43)
Judges (618). . . . . . . . . . . 0% (0). . . . . . . 8% (51)
Ruth (85). . . . . . . . . . . . . . 0% (0). . . . . . . 25% (21)
1 Samuel (809) . . . . . . . . . 3% (24). . . . . . 19% (153)
2 Samuel (695) . . . . . . . . . 3% (21). . . . . . 15% (107)
1 Kings (816). . . . . . . . . . . 4% (31). . . . . . 19% (158)
2 Kings (719). . . . . . . . . . . 1% (14). . . . . . 16% (118)
1 Chronicles (943) . . . . . . 1% (6). . . . . . . 1% (9)
2 Chronicles (821) . . . . . . 2% (18) . . . . . . 3% (26)
Ezra (280) . . . . . . . . . . . . . 0% (0) . . . . . . 8% (21)
Nehemiah (405) . . . . . . . . 2% (9) . . . . . . 5% (20)
Tobit (245). . . . . . . . . . . . . 0% (0) . . . . . . 32% (79)
Judith (340). . . . . . . . . . . . 0% (0) . . . . . . 3% (9)
Esther (272) . . . . . . . . . . . . 0% (0). . . . . . 6% (15)
1 Maccabees (921). . . . . . 0% (0) . . . . . . 6% (53)
2 Maccabees (556). . . . . . 2% (12) . . . . . 7% (38)
Job (1060). . . . . . . . . . . . . 2% (17) . . . . . 8% (87)
Psalms (2524) . . . . . . . . . . 26% (648) . . . 50% (1263)

continued

 

[CatholicKnight3]

Book(s) (verses) . . . . . . . . . Sundays only . . Sundays & Weekdays

Proverbs (914). . . . . . . . . . 3% (24). . . . . . 6% (56)
Ecclesiastes (222). . . . . . . 2% (4). . . . . . . 15% (34)
Song of Songs (117) . . . . . 0% (0). . . . . . . 11% (13)
Wisdom (436) . . . . . . . . . . 11% (50). . . . . 25% (109)
Sirach (1372). . . . . . . . . . . 4% (54) . . . . . 16% (226)
Isaiah (1281). . . . . . . . . . . 15% (192). . . . 26% (335)
Jeremiah (1364) . . . . . . . . 32% (43). . . . . 12% (165)
Lamentations (154). . . . . . 0% (0). . . . . . . 5% (8)
Baruch (213). . . . . . . . . . . 13% (27). . . . . 22% (46)
Ezekiel (1255) . . . . . . . . . . 4% (48) . . . . . 14% (172)
Daniel (530) . . . . . . . . . . . 1% (7) . . . . . . 38% (204)
Hosea (196) . . . . . . . . . . . 7% (13). . . . . . 19% (38)
Joel (73) . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 16% (12). . . . . 44% (32)
Amos (146) . . . . . . . . . . . . 9% (13) . . . . . 35% (51)
Obadiah (21) . . . . . . . . . . 0% (0) . . . . . . 0% (0)
Jonah (48) . . . . . . . . . . . . 13% (6) . . . . . . 90% (43)
Micah (105). . . . . . . . . . . . 4% (4) . . . . . . 23% (24)
Nahum (47). . . . . . . . . . . . 0% (0) . . . . . . 15% (7)
Habakkuk (56). . . . . . . . . 9% (5). . . . . . . 18% (10)
Zephaniah (53) . . . . . . . . 15% (8) . . . . . . 25% (13)
Haggai (38) . . . . . . . . . . . 0% (0). . . . . . . 45% (17)
Zechariah (211) . . . . . . . . 2% (4). . . . . . . 12% (25)
Malachi (55). . . . . . . . . . . 22% (12). . . . . 36% (20)

Continued

 

[CatholicKnight3]

Book(s) (verses) . . . . . . . . . Sundays only . . Sundays & Weekdays

New Testament (7954) . . . . . . 42% (3372) . . . . 74% (5892)

Matthew (1071) . . . . . . . . . . . 58% (623) . . . . . 87% (936)
Mark (678). . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 61% (412) . . . . . 97% (656)
Luke (1151) . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 60% (690) . . . . . 89% (1026)
John (878) . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 62% (545) . . . . . 95% (833)
Acts of the Apostles (1006) . . 18% (182) . . . . . 52% (525)
Romans (433). . . . . . . . . . . . . 26% (114) . . . . . 53% (230)
1 Corinthians (437). . . . . . . . . 40% (173) . . . . . 59% (259)
2 Corinthians (256). . . . . . . . . 21% (53). . . . . . 50% (127)
Galatians (149) . . . . . . . . . . . 28% (41). . . . . . 60% (89)
Ephesians (155) . . . . . . . . . . . 59% (91). . . . . . 91% (141)
Philippians (104) . . . . . . . . . . 47% (49). . . . . . 71% (74)
Colossians (95) . . . . . . . . . . . 37% (35). . . . . . 68% (65)
1 Thessalonians (88) . . . . . . . 44% (39). . . . . . 74% (65)
2 Thessalonians (47) . . . . . . . 36% (17). . . . . . 62% (29)
1 Timothy (113) . . . . . . . . . . . 18% (20). . . . . . 53% (60)
2 Timothy (83) . . . . . . . . . . . . 30% (25). . . . . . 67% (56)
Titus (46) . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 17% (8). . . . . . . 61% (28)
Philemon (25). . . . . . . . . . . . . 32% (8) . . . . . . 56% (14)
Hebrews (303) . . . . . . . . . . . . 26% (80). . . . . . 62% (188)
James (108). . . . . . . . . . . . . . 29% (31). . . . . . 92% (99)
1 Peter (105). . . . . . . . . . . . . . 37% (39). . . . . . 81% (85)
2 Peter (61) . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 18% (11). . . . . . 33% (20)
1 John (105). . . . . . . . . . . . . . 30% (31). . . . . . 100% (105)
2 John (13). . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 0% (0) . . . . . . . 46% (6)
3 John (15). . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 0% (0) . . . . . . . 27% (4)
Jude (25). . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 0% (0) . . . . . . . 28% (7)
Revelation (404) . . . . . . . . . . 14% (55). . . . . . 41% (165)

 

[CatholicKnight3]

So, every 3 years or so, I am seeing that we get

71.5 of the NT

13.5 of the OT

That is what I am gathering anyway.

 

[bsroufek]

I came across these statistics.

Entire Bible (35478). . . . . . 14% (5035) . . . 30% (10722)
Old Testament (27524) . . . 6% (1663) . . . . 18% (4830)
…
continued

You know how an essay will have a thesis statement or topical sentence?
That is how the Bible is covered completely in 3 yrs on weekends and 1 year daily,
but giving us ALL of the essential sentences in the OT/NT.

These statistics miss the point that the essential sentences are covered in the Lectionary.

 

[Salusa]

The entire bible. Most of them do not have daily services. Many of them are limited to a Wednesday, Friday and/or Sunday. That would make it rather impossible to cover the entire bible. To say nothing of never covering the 7 OT books of the deuterocanonicals.

The fact is the Catholic Church covers the entire bible over a 3 year span. Approximately 3 years. Daily mass, there are scriptural readings that relate to one another.

We all agree (I think we all agree) the the NT is contained in the OT and the OT is revealed in the NT. So, it is rather crucial how we tie the readings in the Gospel and the letters of the NT and see how they relate to the OT. When we do not do this, then I believe we are cheated in some ways.

Also, the fact that the entire Catholic Church around the world read the same readings every day. You know, as ONE BODY. I am not sure why that would not be crucial.

So, the question is do protestant churches cover the WHOLE bible? If so, how long does it take to cover the entire bible? I know protestants have access to their own bible now. How about the 96% of Christians that did not have access to education. Most of the poor could were not allowed to read or write. There were not pocket bibles really until the 20th century. The printing press was not invented till the 1400s.

So, what did the early Christians go by, if they did not have access to their own bibles for 1600 years? What about the vast majority that did not read or write?

My Protestant church uses a lectionary similar to the Roman Catholic one.

3 year cycles covering the Old, New and Psalms daily.

Also, the fact that the entire Catholic Church around the world read the same readings every day. You know, as ONE BODY. I am not sure why that would not be crucial.

That’s not true. The Latin rite uses the same lectionary. The Eastern Rites use their own various lectionaries.

 

[CatholicKnight3]

You know how an essay will have a thesis statement or topical sentence?
That is how the Bible is covered completely in 3 yrs on weekends and 1 year daily,
but giving us ALL of the essential sentences in the OT/NT.

These statistics miss the point that the essential sentences are covered in the Lectionary.

Yes, this was my over all point, until legalistic type thinking obfuscated it into something that is not really essential.

Like when Christ said you must forgive your brother 7 times. It is almost He knew right away that He needed to say 70 times 7. Cause there would be someone that would would take that number 7 and only focus on that.

Could you imagine?

 

[yogosans14]

Well you should read your Bible OUTSIDE of Church, whether Catholic or Protestant.

Protestants focus more on the NT then the OT.

 

[CatholicKnight3]

My Protestant church uses a lectionary similar to the Roman Catholic one.

3 year cycles covering the Old, New and Psalms daily.

Out of curiosity, which church? Is it denominational? Who decided on that cycle? The Pastor? Is the next Pastor that succeeds him obligated to follow the same cycle?

Just curious.

 

[Salusa]

Out of curiosity, which church? Is it denominational? Who decided on that cycle? The Pastor? Is the next Pastor that succeeds him obligated to follow the same cycle?

Just curious.

The Lutheran Church Missouri Synod.

I don’t know who decides on the lectionary, I presume the synod decides it, and its revised from time to time.

The pastors are obligated to follow the readings in the lectionary.

Also you mentioned this in your OP:

Also, the fact that the entire Catholic Church around the world read the same readings every day. You know, as ONE BODY. I am not sure why that would not be crucial.

That’s not true. The Latin Rite follows the same lectionary but the Eastern Rites have their own lectionaries. The entire Catholic Church around the world doesn’t have the same daily readings.

 

[bsroufek]

Out of curiosity, which church? Is it denominational? Who decided on that cycle? The Pastor? Is the next Pastor that succeeds him obligated to follow the same cycle?

Just curious.

I heard that some Protestants adopted the Roman Catholic Lectionary years ago.
It must have taken quite a bit of labor (as well as help from the Holy Spirit) to match all
those verses in the OT/NT and Psalms together.

 

[Kirovsakya]

This discussion is so Roman! For those who enjoy this type of contentious discourse, Catholic Answers is a fantastic online destination. However, those who actually wish to read through the COMPLETE Holy Bible in one year have other resources from which to choose.

This Bible reading plan is designed to be used with a Bible where the Old Testament is based on the Septuagint, the Greek translation that was quoted by Jesus and the Apostles and also used by all the early fathers. It contains roughly 25 percent more content than modern translations because it includes the so-called Deuterocanonical books.

Each day consists of four readings. The first reading is a passage from the Old Testament books of history, wisdom, or the prophets. Passages two and three are from the Psalms and Proverbs, respectively. Passage four is from the New Testament. Psalms and Proverbs are read twice through the year. Doing all four readings will take 15 to 20 minutes each day.

Those interested may clink the link:

saintandrew.net/biblereadingproject.html

Scroll to the bottom of the page.

And begin.

 

[CatholicKnight3]

This discussion is so Roman! For those who enjoy this type of contentious discourse, Catholic Answers is a fantastic online destination. However, those who actually wish to read through the COMPLETE Holy Bible in one year have other resources from which to choose.

This Bible reading plan is designed to be used with a Bible where the Old Testament is based on the Septuagint, the Greek translation that was quoted by Jesus and the Apostles and also used by all the early fathers. It contains roughly 25 percent more content than modern translations because it includes the so-called Deuterocanonical books.

Each day consists of four readings. The first reading is a passage from the Old Testament books of history, wisdom, or the prophets. Passages two and three are from the Psalms and Proverbs, respectively. Passage four is from the New Testament. Psalms and Proverbs are read twice through the year. Doing all four readings will take 15 to 20 minutes each day.

Those interested may clink the link:

saintandrew.net/biblereadingproject.html

Scroll to the bottom of the page.

And begin.

Yeah, when I say MANY protestant churches, I am not saying ALL protestant churches.

I find that many of the “super churches Evangelical” do not have a set doctrine to cover the whole bible. It seems that there is a conscious effort to avoid the entire bible. I know most of them do not do that consciously, but it does seem that way.

Also, many do not really relate the gospel reading with readings in the OT or the letters in the NT etc.

Are you Greek Orthodox? I find the Greek Orthodox views on icons are interesting.

Also, isn’t it Easter today for you? Happy Easter if so.

 

[CatholicKnight3]

usccb.org/bible/liturgy/

How is the Lectionary arranged?
The Lectionary is arranged in two cycles, one for Sundays and one for weekdays.

The Sunday cycle is divided into three years, labeled A, B, and C. 2008 was Year A. 2009 was Year B, 2010 is Year C, etc. In Year A, we read mostly from the Gospel of Matthew. In Year B, we read the Gospel of Mark and chapter 6 of the Gospel of John. In Year C, we read the Gospel of Luke. The Gospel of John is read during the Easter season in all three years. The first reading, usually from the Old Testament, reflects important themes from the Gospel reading. The second reading is usually from one of the epistles, a letter written to an early church community. These letters are read semi-continuously. Each Sunday, we pick up close to where we left off the Sunday before, though some passages are never read.

The weekday cycle is divided into two years, Year I and Year II. Year I is read in odd-numbered years (2009, 2011, etc.) and Year II is used in even-numbered years (2010, 2012, etc.) The Gospels for both years are the same. During the year, the Gospels are read semi-continuously, beginning with Mark, then moving on to Matthew and Luke. The Gospel of John is read during the Easter season. For Advent, Christmas, and Lent, readings are chosen that are appropriate to the season. The first reading on weekdays may be taken from the Old or the New Testament. Typically, a single book is read semi-continuously (i.e., some passages are not read) until it is finished and then a new book is started.

The year of the cycle does not change on January 1, but on the First Sunday of Advent (usually late November) which is the beginning of the liturgical year.

In addition to the Sunday and weekday cycles, the Lectionary provides readings for feasts of the saints, for common celebrations such as Marian feasts, for ritual Masses (weddings, funerals, etc.), for votive Masses, and for various needs. These readings have been selected to reflect the themes of these celebrations.

 

[CatholicKnight3]

The Lutheran Church Missouri Synod.

I don’t know who decides on the lectionary, I presume the synod decides it, and its revised from time to time.

The pastors are obligated to follow the readings in the lectionary.

Also you mentioned this in your OP:

That’s not true. The Latin Rite follows the same lectionary but the Eastern Rites have their own lectionaries. The entire Catholic Church around the world doesn’t have the same daily readings.

Yes, I knew there were exceptions with the Eastern Rites. There would always be an exception, but my over all point is that we are still one body.

I would have to see what the Eastern Rites do in their services. You have anything specifically on how they conduct their services? I guess I can Google it.

A few things would need to be true in order for them to be a part of the one body. One, recognition of Papal authority and the recognition of Christ’s true presence in the Eucharist.

Those two issues are absolute.

 

[bsroufek]

A few things would need to be true in order for them to be a part of the one body. One, recognition of Papal authority and the recognition of Christ’s true presence in the Eucharist.

Those two issues are absolute.

I believe that, to be Catholic, you must believe in the 7 Sacraments as well. Also, believe in the Nicene Creed.

 

[Salusa]

Yes, I knew there were exceptions with the Eastern Rites. There would always be an exception, but my over all point is that we are still one body.

I would have to see what the Eastern Rites do in their services. You have anything specifically on how they conduct their services? I guess I can Google it.

A few things would need to be true in order for them to be a part of the one body. One, recognition of Papal authority and the recognition of Christ’s true presence in the Eucharist.

Those two issues are absolute.

I would have to see what the Eastern Rites do in their services. You have anything specifically on how they conduct their services? I guess I can Google it.

I am only familiarized with the Latin and Byzantine Rite. The Byz Divine Liturgy is conducted in the same way that Byzantine Rite Orthodox Christians do, with the same lectionary and feast days. Communion is served via a communion spoon, where leavened bread and wine are mixed. Check it out, Byzantine liturgy is a great experience.

A few things would need to be true in order for them to be a part of the one body. One, recognition of Papal authority and the recognition of Christ’s true presence in the Eucharist.

I accept the latter but not the former and I am in the body of Christ, same with Eastern Orthodox believers.

 

[CatholicKnight3]

I am only familiarized with the Latin and Byzantine Rite. The Byz Divine Liturgy is conducted in the same way that Byzantine Rite Orthodox Christians do, with the same lectionary and feast days. Communion is served via a communion spoon, where leavened bread and wine are mixed. Check it out, Byzantine liturgy is a great experience.

I accept the latter but not the former and I am in the body of Christ, same with Eastern Orthodox believers.

When you say you are in the body, I am not saying you are an unbeliever. I am asking you do you accept the true presence of Christ in the Eucharist through transubstantiation? I was under the impression that the Roman Catholic views on this is the only one that has this view.

Is that true? Or do other Orthodox faiths accept the literal presence?