"It Takes a Village to Prevent Mass Shooters"

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Disagree, “we could never have suspected ___ would do such a thing”. Thus, we can’t guess who would do such things. Also, Europe vs America in statistics.

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“white males adrift in society and holding strong grievances”
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CAF is mostly white, and people hold strong grievances.
 
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HumbleIOughtToBe said:
CAF is mostly white, and people hold strong grievances.
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Statistics aren’t destiny - they’re just statistics. Just because there hasn’t been a female mass shooter doesn’t mean that it’s impossible.
repentant2 said:
Communities could easily talk about the damage divorce causes to try and curb the prevalence,
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Community interventions need to be evidence-based before either taxpayers or private donors and grantors start pumping money into them. Are there any studies or data showing that children with divorced parents are more likely to commit mass shootings? So far, I’m seeing the contrary: Did 26 of the 27 Deadliest Mass Shooters Come from Fatherless Homes? | Snopes.com

That’s not to say that I wouldn’t like to see fewer divorces. But if we introduce the wrong intervention, mass shootings will continue to occur while the well-intentioned are scratching their heads wondering why.

In any case, divorce prevention would be one of those more long-term, preventative interventions. For the short-term, I like the article’s mention of community mental health services. I could envision a hotline for people feeling homicidal, just as there are for suicidal people.
 
ARTICLE: "The report said mass gun violence can be prevented through early recognition and reporting of “concerning behavior.”

Parkland proves that wrong. FBI were notified not once, but twice of “concerning behavior”

(1) Someone saw Cruz post a comment “I’m going to be a school shooter” and reported it to FBI, no action was taken
(2) A second person reported Cruz to FBI weeks before shooting and warned that Cruz had a “desire to kill people” and worried about “the potential of him conducting a school shooting.” Again no action taken

Not to mention the 18 times police were called to Cruz’s home , including more than one time when he was using guns to shoot animals and once when he pointed a gun to his brothers head.

The problem isn’t lack of community reporting concerning behavior.

The problem is Government incompetence acting on community reporting concerning behavior.

 
blackforest said:
Statistics aren’t destiny - they’re just statistics.
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We use statistics to guess at the future in all fields, from last years sales in December to how many nurses are on duty during the 4th of July Weekend.
 
26 of 27 deadliest mass shooters = not raised by their biological father

To prevent mass shooters, we need to discourage people having children out of wedlock. Currently our society not only doesn’t discourage it, it celebrates it.

The reason not being raised by biological father is critical is that makes a boy vulnerable to bullying. A bully chooses victims carefully. He won’t bully someone who has a strong father figure, since that would be too risky. Much safer to bully the boy with no strong father figure. And since out of wedlock birthrate has gone up 1000% from 4% to 40% in past 50 years, so does the number of boys prone to being school shooters.

 
So it’s always about divorce this and divorce that. Does no one notice the growing percentage of children being born to adults who never marry. This is far far more damaging. To grow up with parents who were never married in the first place. Being conceived through fornication. Now that is the elephant in the room. It will become a growing problem
 
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If, like some of you are saying, having children out of wedlock is the cause of mass shooting, why we don’t see mass shooting so frequently also in these other countries with higher percentage of children born out of wedlock than US? Remember, correlation is not causation.
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I’m irrational when it comes to gun control.
But I can’t see how the approach outlined in the article can hurt. Every little bit helps.
We need to avoid placing too much of the burden on the ‘village,’ however, and not enough on the individual. And we can’t take too much solace from aphorisms, like ‘all we need is love.’
 
Aquinas11 said:
The problem is Government incompetence acting on community reporting concerning behavior.
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It certainly was in the case of Parkland, but I’m not sure if generalizing is warranted.
HumbleIOughtToBe said:
We use statistics to guess at the future in all fields, from last years sales in December to how many nurses are on duty during the 4th of July Weekend.
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We use them in sociology, too. As this commenter is doing, albeit inaccurately:
Aquinas11 said:
26 of 27 deadliest mass shooters = not raised by their biological father
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Again, this is inaccurate. Did 26 of the 27 Deadliest Mass Shooters Come from Fatherless Homes? | Snopes.com
jzea1992 said:
So it’s always about divorce this and divorce that. Does no one notice the growing percentage of children being born to adults who never marry . This is far far more damaging.
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Your argument naturally supports the Freakonomics argument that abortion prevents crime. It’s a specious and questionable argument that I won’t tackle right now.

But bringing it up cuts to the very heart of this thread and the theme that I’m broaching: What should be our response as pro-lifers? What should be the response of the mom’s immediate community? Once we convince a single woman to carry to term, what kind of support could the pro-life community provide to ensure that her child has a loving upbringing?
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We need to avoid placing too much of the burden on the ‘village,’ however, and not enough on the individual.
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We’re never going to stop sin single-handedly. But I’m all for whatever we can do as communities to reduce its likelihood. I feel helpless waiting around for political “leaders” to act on anything meaningfully. As Catholics, especially, who value life from natural beginning to natural end, we should be brainstorming ways to roll up our own sleeves and tackle the problem at a local level.
 
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aroosi said:
If, like some of you are saying, having children out of wedlock is the cause of mass shooting, why we don’t see mass shooting so frequently also in these other countries with higher percentage of children born out of wedlock than US? Remember, correlation is not causation.
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No doubt about it, illegitimacy is catastrophic for children, and, slightly less so, divorce, by all possible outcomes.

Yes, here in the US the troubled teenagers of single parents have become school shooters - as well as school dropouts, drug and alcohol abusers, and a hundred other sad statistics.

But it is the overall culture of a country that decides whether or not a troubled adolescent becomes a school shooter, or a suicide, or a criminal. In France, 60% of babies are illegitimacy. These children will develop problems, many more than those children born to married parents, but the fact that there are almost no school shooters is a result of what everyone in the country is talking about, what other troubled children are doing, what the music videos are showing.
 
aroosi said:
If, like some of you are saying, having children out of wedlock is the cause of mass shooting
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Nobody said it is “the cause” of mass shooting, its a huge factor. Decades ago there was the same availability of guns yet nowhere near the same rate of mass shooting, but there was far lower rate of out of wedlock births.
 
blackforest said:
I feel helpless waiting around for political “leaders” to act on anything meaningfully.
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Not only that, they won’t act. That’s been proven over and over again.
My small step was to stop voting for political leaders who accept money from the firearms lobby. It hurts, because there are those whom I really like, but I can’t with good conscience support them. Even if they’re pro-life, pro-family, pro-the good things, I can’t vote for them if they’re pro-gun. 😧
 
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blackforest said:
but I’m not sure if generalizing is warranted.
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the article in the OP is generalizing since its citing a government report that is generalizing, so in that case the article cited in OP should be ignored.
blackforest said:
Again, this is inaccurate. https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/mass-shooters-fatherless-us/

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No that article is flawed for two reasons

(1) tries to refute the 26 of 27 statistic by then citing 2019 data after the 26 of 27 statistic (2018)

(2) misrepresents the statistic which specifically said “raised by biological father from birth” and then cited data of shooters raised by non-biological fathers well after birth to try and refute the data, thus mischaracterizing the data.
 
I heard a stat recently where the only thing in common with mass shootings was day care. As you gaters the shooters had all been in day care. Thw child has a lot of crucial forming in pre school years. I would add that to the list of ‘it takes a village’
 
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