"It Takes a Village to Prevent Mass Shooters"

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“By race , 59% of Catholics are non-Hispanic white” -Wikipedia, and CAF is Catholic. Whites hold strong support for trump, 99% of Republican white evangelical Protestants oppose impeaching and removing Trump, new poll finds - CBS News, and the world news forum supports Trump barring the occasional strike. Therefore it is rational to assume we are mostly white.

Regarding strong grievances, it is rational to see the rhetoric of “take our culture back”.

I can propose many related metrics about the overall world, and about the World News forum being a barometer for the political affiliation, anger quantity, and correlate outward. I feel I can gamble 5 dollars worth of Chocolate on these predictions, if not for my conviction that I ought to not Gamble.
 
Although this local efforts are a great way to help with gun violence, it will not really matter until first we address the easy access to guns and stronger gun laws.
 
At least ban social media. Facebook, Twitter . . . MySpace. . . .
 
Well, this seems weird. There are those school shooters who have survived: we should turn them inside out to see what led up to their doing what they did. That would include MRIs of their brains along with in-depth discussions with the shooters and those closest to him, and with fellow students who might be able to shed light of his experiences at school.

We can do as much of that as possible with the lives of the shooters who have died, as well.

This all may lead to some helpful information about what they had in common, if anything.

I am reminded of the boy who only shot one person: a smaller foster child who had been encouraged to express himself in his homosexuality and dress. The victim of the shooting had been tormenting his shooter by asking him to be his valentine and other boy simply did not know what to do.

In addition, I am reminded of many articles about the victims of bullying who were censored in some ways by the schools while the bullies continued with no ramifications.

OTOH, schools are forced to put or keep students in least restrictive environments.

This apparently was the case with the Parkland School shooter Nikolas Cruz, who was in and out of special ed programs, even off-site. Wikipedia has a brief timeline of this. The school was aware of his previous threats.

Other shooters have had similar backgrounds, like the Sandy Hills shooter.

In the end, tho, there are millions of troubled teens, and only handfuls of them commit or attempt mass murders like these. What sets these off from all the other troubled teens?

And what about those who do not commit mass murders in schools, but simply one or two at a time, called “drug-related,” --should we not also look at what can be done in those neighborhoods? Maybe they could use some of that community counseling and special resources as well.
 
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I would suggest that if CAF is at a high percentage of whites, it may be because it is a high percent American, and a high percent of those who are not American are native English speakers, and in both these categories, whites are a majority.

In addition, only a small percent of CAF members participate regularly on the World News forum, and of those, a good portion, if not half or more, are opposed to Trump, and have, over the years, offered justifications for voting Democrat (no criticism implied here, just a fact), long before Trump threw his hat in the ring.

Now let’s get back to the topic at hand.
 
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Sir, you work with the child welfare system right, not to make it sound like the young people are going to grow up to be mass shooters but you have experience a demographic with somewhat similar situations, namely problematic family backgrounds, what can be done to help prevent Young people from going down that path? Would mass mentoring specifically.intensive programs help mitigate the effects of family breakdown? And wraparound care for children and families can prevent them going to the brink? Easier said than done, but if CPS was less of a boogeyman and more Family Support Services, would society mend a lot of its issues since many problems can be traced to family?
 
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If, like some of you are saying, having children out of wedlock is the cause of mass shooting, why we don’t see mass shooting so frequently also in these other countries with higher percentage of children born out of wedlock than US? Remember, correlation is not causation.
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Because it’s not just one factor. It’s a number of factors in the US: from a multi-cultural society (I mean primarily clashing world-views & values, not race), to lack of Christ, to broken marriages, to mental illness, to graphic violence in video games & movies, etc.

I don’t know how true this is, however, I do think that other nations are better at institutionalizing people with mental disorders (for better or worse).
 
I do not propose a race based explanation, rather the article mentioned the mathematical norm of the white race committing active shootings. I figure it is worth mentioning here. Let it be known that I mention CAF as an example that the statistics mention, white and strong grievance, apply to the majority of the population and thus are not useful as it could be applied to us.
 
Maybe these countries that have higher divorce rates, have kids that do better Because they have stronger social networks? Extended family support, or reasonable policies that allow for balance of work and life for mothers caring for the kids?
 
Most people from different worldviews share common goals and interests and what they want to see in a civil society. The bigger problem is not the existence of multiculturalism, but the tendency of some people to refuse to see common goals and interests, and to persist in interpreting any difference as an existential threat to themselves. This is completely contrary to the principles by which most democratic societies have been formed, the presumption in such societies is that people from different backgrounds can come together for the common good.
 
What does this have to do with mass casualty incidents?

How about the Church in Sweden and Norway?

Pretty white bread-ish there, too. So what?
 
My late uncle wrote for this newspaper for decades. Its pretty cool seeing someone posting it here.
 
Whataboutism;

Anyhow, statistics for America on Americans committing shootings in America make sense.
 
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Annie said:
Well, this seems weird. There are those school shooters who have survived: we should turn them inside out to see what led up to their doing what they did. That would include MRIs of their brains along with in-depth discussions with the shooters and those closest to him, and with fellow students who might be able to shed light of his experiences at school.

We can do as much of that as possible with the lives of the shooters who have died, as well.

This all may lead to some helpful information about what they had in common, if anything.

I am reminded of the boy who only shot one person: a smaller foster child who had been encouraged to express himself in his homosexuality and dress. The victim of the shooting had been tormenting his shooter by asking him to be his valentine and other boy simply did not know what to do.

In addition, I am reminded of many articles about the victims of bullying who were censored in some ways by the schools while the bullies continued with no ramifications.

OTOH, schools are forced to put or keep students in least restrictive environments.

This apparently was the case with the Parkland School shooter Nikolas Cruz, who was in and out of special ed programs, even off-site. Wikipedia has a brief timeline of this. The school was aware of his previous threats.

Other shooters have had similar backgrounds, like the Sandy Hills shooter.

In the end, tho, there are millions of troubled teens, and only handfuls of them commit or attempt mass murders like these. What sets these off from all the other troubled teens?

And what about those who do not commit mass murders in schools, but simply one or two at a time, called “drug-related,” --should we not also look at what can be done in those neighborhoods? Maybe they could use some of that community counseling and special resources as well.
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You have valid points… it think it’s all related. teen mass shootings, teen gang violence, teen suicide , teen drug & alcohol abuse, teen risky behavior, etc.

To me, the BIGGEST factors might be bullying (which can now be 24/7 due to texting, email & social media), a reduction of God in civil society & an increased influence by the culture of death.
 
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I agree that we need to go after the great error in our culture that forces God out of it. Right now though, the best way to prevent mass shooters is an armed response that stops them from continuing their attack. Responsible and capable people should consider carrying a weapon to stop an aggressor as soon as possible when they begin their attack. That works and it saves lives.
 
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Because it’s not just one factor. It’s a number of factors in the US: from a multi-cultural society (I mean primarily clashing world-views & values, not race), to lack of Christ, to broken marriages, to mental illness, to graphic violence in video games & movies, etc.
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Again, before anybody starts pumping money into community-based interventions -the topic of this thread - the interventions need to be evidence-based. For example, is there a peer-reviewed, evidence basis for the assertion that video games cause gun violence?
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I do not propose a race based explanation, rather the article mentioned the mathematical norm of the white race committing active shootings. I figure it is worth mentioning here. Let it be known that I mention CAF as an example that the sta
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It may or may no be relevant. The data is important to gather, either way, and at very least saves other minorities from the criminal stereotype that has plagued them for generations. It’s a fact. Facts don’t change just because people feel offended by them.
 
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what can be done to help prevent Young people from going down that path? Would mass mentoring specifically.intensive programs help mitigate the effects of family breakdown?
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I don’t think a federal program of ‘mass mentoring’, run by the govt, will have any impact over what is already in place. The immediate community and family needs to respond to their needs, the govt isn’t the answer.

I also see addiction as a key issue that has impacted their families and I know of no easy way to solve that beast.
 
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