Italian scientist reproduces Shroud of Turin

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I’d point you to an editorial written by Barry Schwortz, the official photographer on the STURP team that examined the shroud in 1978 entitled Science by Press Release? An Editorial Response by Barrie Schwortz - shroud.com/latebrak.htm
And just to point out to everyone, this Italian “Scientist” (in quotes because the release of this information in the press, not in peer reviewed scientific journals) is soon releasing a book on the subject. Very suspicious timing, don’t you think?
 
I’d say the timing is about as suspicious as this scientist making his reproduction just before the shroud is going to be on view again, this Spring! Kind like the History Channel airing the Judas ‘gospel’ right before Easter.:tsktsk:
 
I’d say the timing is about as suspicious as this scientist making his reproduction just before the shroud is going to be on view again, this Spring! Kind like the History Channel airing the Judas ‘gospel’ right before Easter.:tsktsk:
According to Barry Schwortz (I only recently got educated a little on it), this happens every time the shroud is going to be on public display.
 
"Mexican expert on Shroud points out flaws of supposed ‘duplicate’

Mexico City, Mexico, Oct 12, 2009 / 02:57 pm (CNA).- The president of the Mexican Shroud of Turin Center, Adolfo Orozco, said last week that the announcement of the creation of an allegedly exact replica of the Shroud of Turin is nothing more than “a trick to attack the Shroud.” Orozco also pointed out various details that show the flaws of the experiment."…

Entire article here: catholicnewsagency.com/new.php?n=17364
 
I’m kind of indifferent to the shroud…if the church doesnt accept it as ‘genuine’ then its not like they (the guys who reproduced it) are telling us anything new.

But I will note something…God made man in his image. We have a higher intelligence. (not higher than god’s, but then the other animals etc of this world). It doesnt surprise me that as we evolve our technology has come as far as it has…And, it doesnt surprise me that we have now the technology to ‘reproduce’ something…I mean, they’re ‘reproducing’ people like clones n stuff…

But, did they have that technology back then? Could someone have done it then? Maybe they coulda I dont know too much about the whole shroud thing…
 
One thing that I wonder about, don’t historians say that it’s more likely that Christ had short hair? The image in the shroud appears to have long hair.
 
The guy presented the “evidence” at the conference. Was it convincing?
 
One thing that I wonder about, don’t historians say that it’s more likely that Christ had short hair? The image in the shroud appears to have long hair.
he also wore a suit and blesses out troops.
 
First who cares what this scientist has done !This is just another onslaught on the Faith…what with the passover plot (that Jesus knew a way to hold His breath and sneak out of the tomb" That Jesus had this thing with Mary Mag! That Pilate was not so bad and also that Judas was just testing Jesus to see if He was a pascifist or a true patriot!!!The history channel has been smearing Jesus and our belief with absurd ‘studies’. The thousands who died for their faith…then eventually millions believed Jesus did conqueor death…no one dies for a lie they know is a lie!..Also the figure on the shroud was like Jesus must have been…a rugged he man…in those days boys and girls masons and carpenters did not have power tools so they would be built like the figure is! The thumbs turned in so that we see only 4 fingers results when one is nailed to a piece of upright wood thru the wrist not thru the palm! The smear goes on for notice how they dont like to report that Jesus was whipped to within an inch of His life,then a crown of thorns pressed onto His head,a sword pierced His side,nailed thru the wrists and feet…then pro-nounced dead by experts who knew what they saw…buried in an air tight tomb with some 100lbs of herbs covering His body…sealed up for some 3 days and …come on…somehow fooled everyone and got away with a fraud…the Jewish PC clergy would have placed a heavy guard in front of this tomb…yes I believe it is the true Shroud…and the light comes from above which is what John saw when he peeked into the tomb…Jesus was risen just over the slab then disappeared…thats why the light is above,His hair flows,no indentation on the back of HIs head,shoulders,and heels…Jesus is risen…Pas
 
I’m kind of indifferent to the shroud…if the church doesnt accept it as ‘genuine’ then its not like they (the guys who reproduced it) are telling us anything new.

But I will note something…God made man in his image. We have a higher intelligence. (not higher than god’s, but then the other animals etc of this world). It doesnt surprise me that as we evolve our technology has come as far as it has…And, it doesnt surprise me that we have now the technology to ‘reproduce’ something…I mean, they’re ‘reproducing’ people like clones n stuff…

But, did they have that technology back then? Could someone have done it then? Maybe they coulda I dont know too much about the whole shroud thing…
Well, I do know a thing or two about the shroud - I am the webmaster for ShroudNM.com. The claim that the shroud was reproduced is a false claim. What was stated in the article indicates this. The image was not made with the substance the Italian claims to have made it with. In 1978 when the scientific team analyzed the actual shroud they tested for this and prove this without any shadow of doubt. He added fake blood after creating the image, but we know for a fact the blood was on the shroud before the image was created because in places where the blood was removed, there is no image underneath. If you want the real science of the shroud, go to shroud.com and read the scientific-reviewed papers. This scientist has an axe to grind and is conveniently releasing a book on the subject. Also should be noted this ‘scientist’ released his ‘findings’ to the popular press, not peer-reviewed scientific journals and did not even show the results, he simply made a claim he reproduced it with absolutely no proof. This is not science, it’s tom-foolery. Did he happen to mention he’s an atheist funded by atheists and agnostics who would love for people to buy his book? Hogwash!
 
and the light comes from above which is what John saw when he peeked into the tomb…Jesus was risen just over the slab then disappeared…thats why the light is above,His hair flows,no indentation on the back of HIs head,shoulders,and heels…Jesus is risen…Pas
It’s very easy imo to believe the image on the shroud is Jesus. There is nothing else like it for one thing. The details that parallel what happened to Jesus. And not what we thought happened to Jesus but what we have come to know, the man on the shroud seems to keep pace with the developement of understanding. The only shadow of doubt for me is the possibility that it is the image of another man who experienced a scourging, punches to the face, a crown of lacerations and puntures, a wound to the side that penetrated to the heart, I think they have found the clear liquid that surrounds th heart uder this kind of severe stress. so what would look like water and blood came from his wounded side as well. The concidence that two men suffered so similarly and that it would be recorded and saved on cloth are alot to chock up to conincidence. Perhaps a man was purposely executed in the manner Jesus was and they buried him in this cloth. Why haven’t more images of peoples bodies on cloth been found? I don’t know of any others. Just too much there to believe it isn’t or have much doubt really.

John can you tell me more about what you said about the light being from above and the body of Jesus rising up and resting above the slab?
 
This scientist did not reproduce the Shroud of Turin. That is point #1 and we could really stop there.

He did manage to make a similar looking image on a piece of cloth, whoopdeedoo.
 
In the 1930s Dr.Pierre Barbet,head surgeon in Paris,rolled up his sleeves and spent 15 years studying the hand-wrist discrpancy.He later declared “I came to scoff and remained to pray”…another doctor, Dr.Bucklin,stated that the image’s head wounds were pre-mortem,while the chest wound was post-mortem!..Forensic specialists have determined that the crucified man in the shroud obviously was dead and in a state of extreme rigor mortis!!!all of the above was confirmed back in 1978 when a steam of STURPmembers traveled to Turin Italy and spent over 100,000 man hours processing,analyzing and digesting dozens of crates full of shroud data. …John Heller and his report "Report on the Shroud’ is also good enough for me!!!as recently as 1999 a report by Jack Katzwnell the plant imprints and pollen found on the Shroud support the premise that it orginated in the Holy Land .No image in all the world has been studied so much by well being,not so well being and just plain mean being folks,scientists,those with an agenda etc. Sad,a hack writer can smear the great Abe Lincoln in a sexual frame and still be called a writer re: Gore Vidal…our Jesus is under constant attack and it is up to we the people .His people,to take a stand regardles of how un PC it is…Pas
 
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