It's All Our Fault

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vern humphrey:
Once again, if you were the defense lawyer in a rape case, would you claim the rapist was “provoked” by the way the victim dressed?
If the woman was dressed extremely provocatively, I’d certainly bring that to the jury’s attention.

A defense attorney has to use all the arguments he can muster on the defendent’s behalf.
 
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Richardols:
If the woman was dressed extremely provocatively, I’d certainly bring that to the jury’s attention.

A defense attorney has to use all the arguments he can muster on the defendent’s behalf.
Rephrase that – a defense attorney has to use all the ETHICAL arguments on the defendant’s behalf.

Is it not usually the case (in most states) that a woman’s prior sexual conduct cannot be used by the defense in a rape case? How then could the way she’s dressed be ethically used?
 
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Richardols:
A drunk waving a wad of cash or a boobsy girl with her blouse open down “to here” and a skirt an inch below her panties are provoking trouble even if they don’t carry a dictionary around with them.
This is a faulty analogy. A more apt one might be, I think, if a rape victim took revenge by killing her rapist in cold blood. Would that murder be justified? I would say no, but it might be understandable.

Muslim fundamentalists do not hate us because they “hate freedom” or because they’re evil moustachio-twirling supervillains. They have very specific, very concrete reasons for hating the United States of America. Some of them are good reasons. Groups like Islamic Jihad and Al Queida did not form to attack us. They formed as revolutionary movements against the horrifyingly brutal, corrupt dictators of their own countries – dictators like Saddam Hussein.

We became their enemy because in the Cold War, we supported these brutal dictators. As Winston Churchill once summed up the West’s foreign policy during that period, “If we found out Heaven was Communist, we would ally ourselves with Satan.”

Our government supported these monsters, because we – perhaps rightly – viewed them as a lesser evil than the Soviet Union. However, the locals suffering under the oppression of the dictators in question didn’t really see it that way.

Does that justify acts of terrorism against civilian populations? Of course not. They are murderers, and they must be stopped. But to say that the USA was totally blameless is to show a lack of knowledge about the past actions of our own government. The hatred of the USA in much of the Arab world has some solid reasons behind it. When you make a deal with the devil, it tends to come back and bite you.
 
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SamCA:
When you make a deal with the devil, it tends to come back and bite you.
Do you believe the U.S. has been making deals with the devils in near past and in the present? If so, who are the ‘devils’? How do you foresee these deals coming back and biting the U.S.?
 
Ani Ibi:
Do you believe the U.S. has been making deals with the devils in near past and in the present? If so, who are the ‘devils’? How do you foresee these deals coming back and biting the U.S.?
How about Pakistan? How about our relationship with Saudi Arabia?
 
Ani Ibi:
Do you believe the U.S. has been making deals with the devils in near past and in the present? If so, who are the ‘devils’? How do you foresee these deals coming back and biting the U.S.?
Dude, did you read the rest of the post? We spent the entire Cold War making deals with the devil, and that’s why the entire Arab world hates us – a lot of the devils in question were the monstrous dictators who brutally oppressed the people who now do things like fly planes into our buildings, convinced that we’re just as evil as said dictators.
 
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SamCA:
Duuuuude. I’m a chick.
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SamCA:
did you read the rest of the post?
I did indeed. That was then. This is now. I am asking about now. And by the way I think you mistake my intentions. I am not flaming you, just asking to be filled in about now and about the near future.
 
Ani Ibi:
Duuuuude. I’m a chick.
Heh. Sorry.
I did indeed. That was then. This is now. I am asking about now. And by the way I think you mistake my intentions. I am not flaming you, just asking to be filled in about now and about the near future.
Ah, I misunderstood. Sorry again.

We’re definitely making some scary alliances, yes. Take Putin, for instance – since taking power, he has done everything he can to turn Russia back into a totalitarian dictatorship with himself at the head, but that hasn’t stopped our leaders from buddying up to him.

We’re still supporting a variety of horrible dictators in the Middle East and nearby territories – Musharaff in Pakistan, the House of Saud in Saudi Arabia (who actually do have the connections to Al Queida that we pretended Saddam had), a bevvy of others.

And let us not forget, of course, that up until the day of September 11th, we were supporting the Taliban. In August of 2001, we actually gave the Taliban 4 billion dollars.
 
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SamCA:
Dude, did you read the rest of the post? We spent the entire Cold War making deals with the devil, and that’s why the entire Arab world hates us – a lot of the devils in question were the monstrous dictators who brutally oppressed the people who now do things like fly planes into our buildings, convinced that we’re just as evil as said dictators.
ce qui est ceci ‘dude’ ?

Êtes vous de Soros group? 😛
 
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SamCA:
And let us not forget, of course, that up until the day of September 11th, we were supporting the Taliban. In August of 2001, we actually gave the Taliban 4 billion dollars.
And even after 9/11, we weren’t hostile to the Taliban. Bush told them that if they would turn Al Qai’dah over to us, he wouldn’t have any problem with the Taliban.

If they would have been smart, they would have done that, Bush would have kept his promise, and all Afghanistan would still be under the Taliban. Dumb as**s!
 
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