It's been 40yrs we been battling against abortion

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It seems like an exhaustive issue to win. Although I must say I have read and seen some examples of wins. I feel it might continue to be a long moral fight but one does gets a little demoralized of it’s rate and lack of speed of wins. What can we do to strengthen ones support at defending life and not feel discouraged. Any ideas?
 
WilT said:
It seems like an exhaustive issue to win. Although I must say I have read and seen some examples of wins. I feel it might continue to be a long moral fight but one does gets a little demoralized of it’s rate and lack of speed of wins. What can we do to strengthen ones support at defending life and not feel discouraged. Any ideas?
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First of all stop looking at it as a political ‘issue’ and look at it as a commandment of God. Thou shall not kill. You are forgetting that in addition to human lives being taken the souls of those that play a part in aborting these lives are also in danger. One of the key missions of the Catholic Church is the salvation of souls. The wins would come a lot a lot quicker if Catholics did not vote for a staunch pro abortion president. What you can do if you are not doing it already is join the fight and find an abortion factory to pray in front of. Hopefully you have a hard time finding one. I have seen quite a few notices of closings of them lately.
 
If everybody who prays the rosary added to their list of intensions the saving of babies from abortion and that abortion will become illegal in every nation in this world. we will slowly see changes. Maybe not big change but improved changes
 
Michael Medved the talk show host here in Los Angeles said it well the day the supreme court ruled against the gay marriage ban. Everyone was feeling dejected and that the battle was over. I believe Marco Rbios said something to the effect that the battle is just now begun

Medved reminded his audience that Rubio was correct and his words weren’t just rhetoric. When Roe vs. Wade decision was riled on the country was in a very pro-choice mode.
Medved reminded his audience that is was the Catholic Church who took the lead and went out to battle and for the first time polling numbers show that most Americans are now pro life and the numbers continue to increase.

So fear not my friend the devil wants you to despair but God wants you to have the courage to continue to change the hearts of all people.
 
Thanks bmoran for your words of encouragement and hope. Yes, we must continue this battle no matter how long it may take.
 
It’s exhausting.

Watch out … the new legislation the Democrats are presenting in response to the Hobby Lobby ruling could overturn every single state pro-life law in one fell swoop.

If that legislation goes through, I’m changing my rosary intention to pray for Justice and to end Abortion via any means necessary instead of praying for Mercy and forgiveness for the pro-choice people.

Too many have died already!! (At least a BILLION) The worst part is that we’re murdering people who’ve NEVER SINNED and that’s like killing Jesus himself!

I just won’t have it.

Most of the pro-choicers I’ve debated with are far beyond the help of prayer and have fallen in to depravity. Depravity is the last consequence of hardened sin - where sin changes a person into something completely unrecognizable. I see it happening to friend of mine and I am deeply disturbed by it. I mean, we pray, and pray and pray and they just get more and more and more evil. This country gets more and more divided morally and I fear not only for the future of America, but for the eternal fate of its inhabitants!

If the Virgin Mary were to pray for Justice instead of Mercy then … some unpleasant stuff will happen … but it will end abortion once and for all!

We may have to do that at some point.

How many more babies have to die before we pray for Justice?
 
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GoldenArrow said:
It’s exhausting.

Watch out … the new legislation the Democrats are presenting in response to the Hobby Lobby ruling could overturn every single state pro-life law in one fell swoop.

If that legislation goes through, I’m changing my rosary intention to pray for Justice and to end Abortion via any means necessary

1Billion innocent souls lost. :bighanky:This is probably an evil that can be defeated only by fasting and prayers.:gopray2:
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It makes me so sad that so few people care.

I’m beginning to see the world also as a place where the earthly pleasures that we enjoy and take for granted every day are at the expense of someone else’s life.

One can easily become depressed taking on this issue.
 
People could stop abortion tomorrow if they wanted to, all it takes is enough people to stand together against the enemy, and overpower them. but people today arent willing to do that, they are too concerned with being arrested and/or mans laws.

I truly think this non-action will be something we are held accountable for when we die, doing nothing just because you are worried about your own quality of life is all evil needs to prevail.

This is one war I think God would consider JUST, therefore any killing would be justified, and to put a stop to this for good, its well worth it IMO.

Maybe it would be effective to let people know that the US has murdered more people than Hitler did (thru legalizing abortion), those involved with keeping this legal, as well as enforcing this law, certainly should be held responsible for this too.
 
Let us brothers and sisters ask the Holy Spirit to guide us through these troubling times of moral devastation. Pray, pray, pray, for the Spirit to open our hearts, mind, and soul. Give times of fasting as prayers as well since they are more powerful forms of prayer. :knight2::knight1::nunchuk:
 
We are fighting the wrong battle. Abortion will never end until the Church starts preaching against birth control. The root of the problem is artificial birth control. I can’t remember hearing a sermon against birth control. Catholics themselves are causing the problem. Look around and see all the young couples who stop having children after the second one. The problem is BIRTH CONTROL.
 
When I have conversations with people who support abortions I realize that I cannot convince them on grounds of morality and faith as both of those are lacking. Anybody who willingly choosed abortion over birth has bigger issues than I, alone, can convince them of. However, I have adopted a new tactic in the US when conversing with the Pro-Choice side of the issue. Using the official statistics provided by the government, there have been roughly 56,000,000 abortions since 1973 (Roe v. Wade). Of those roughly 43,000,000 would be of working age and contributing to the nation’s economy. Each child born in the United States will, over their lifetime, contribute $400,000.00 more to the economy than they consume. When you take 43 million and multiply it by $400 thousand, you get $17,200,000,000.00. I find that to be a strong argument to those who claim to be “fiscally conservative and socially liberal” because it demonstrates the lie of being fiscally conservative while supporting the death of so many lives.
 
mikekle said:
People could stop abortion tomorrow if they wanted to, all it takes is enough people to stand together against the enemy, and overpower them. but people today arent willing to do that, they are too concerned with being arrested and/or mans laws.

I truly think this non-action will be something we are held accountable for when we die, doing nothing just because you are worried about your own quality of life is all evil needs to prevail.

This is one war I think God would consider JUST, therefore any killing would be justified, and to put a stop to this for good, its well worth it IMO.

Maybe it would be effective to let people know that the US has murdered more people than Hitler did (thru legalizing abortion), those involved with keeping this legal, as well as enforcing this law, certainly should be held responsible for this too.
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Interesting to think if no Catholic voted for any Democrat for two presidential election cycles, even the Democrats would turn prolife.

But will Catholics do that? No. Why? Because everybody, including the clergy, is afraid to tell them if they don’t oppose it by rejecting its supporters, they are as guilty of abortion as the doctor who holds the knife.
 
WilT said:
It seems like an exhaustive issue to win. Although I must say I have read and seen some examples of wins. I feel it might continue to be a long moral fight but one does gets a little demoralized of it’s rate and lack of speed of wins. What can we do to strengthen ones support at defending life and not feel discouraged. Any ideas?
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I believe all Catholics need to turn to the Lord in the Eucharist, both for personal strength, and for help.

The Eucharist is God/Jesus, and we need to work on developing a deep love/adoration for our Lord in the Eucharist…every person who develops that love will not only find it hard to ever consider getting an abortion, and each person who develops that great love will find themselves wanting to spread the Gospel and a message of love for life. 🙂

Go to a Catholic Church on a daily basis, pray for life, pray for all those around you for their conversion, salvation, and guidance…ask them to do the same. Help spread a devotion to our Lord in the Eucharist. There are 1.2 billion Catholics, image how the world would change if they all did the same.

We need more Christ–not less. 🙂
 
A certain priest posted a moving video on youtube about abortion and Catholics. Regarding some Catholics, he loudly used the word silence. Too many don’t feel comfortable speaking up about what abortion is. He encouraged Catholics to speak up.

And the battle will continue since God is with us.

Peace,
Ed
 
How about this idea? If you are against abortion, then don’t get one.

I understand the Catholic Church thinks abortion is evil. But the Catholic Church cannot impose its views on society.

People have the right not to believe in Catholicism, and in turn, have the right to have sex without the threat and suffering of pregnancy.

The Church will be better off staying away from this political battle. Tend to its flock, but don’t impose on the civil rights of others.

Evangelical churches understand that this is a lost battle, and therefore don’t stir the pot. If someone wants post-abortion recovery, they are the first to offer it. However, the primary focus is not political battles, but saving others. Why doesn’t the Catholic Church do the same?
clintonm said:
…Each child born in the United States will, over their lifetime, contribute $400,000.00 more to the economy than they consume. When you take 43 million and multiply it by $400 thousand, you get $17,200,000,000.00. I find that to be a strong argument to those who claim to be “fiscally conservative and socially liberal” because it demonstrates the lie of being fiscally conservative while supporting the death of so many lives.
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This assumes that all of these children will contribute equally to the economy. What if, instead, these children are a drain on social services because of their poor backgrounds?
 
CaliLobo said:
How about this idea? If you are against abortion, then don’t get one.

I understand the Catholic Church thinks abortion is evil. But the Catholic Church cannot impose its views on society.

People have the right not to believe in Catholicism, and in turn, have the right to have sex without the threat and suffering of pregnancy.

The Church will be better off staying away from this political battle. Tend to its flock, but don’t impose on the civil rights of others.

Evangelical churches understand that this is a lost battle, and therefore don’t stir the pot. If someone wants post-abortion recovery, they are the first to offer it. However, the primary focus is not political battles, but saving others. Why doesn’t the Catholic Church do the same?

This assumes that all of these children will contribute equally to the economy. What if, instead, these children are a drain on social services because of their poor backgrounds?
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Then whose views do you want to impose on society? One way or another, and no matter what, someone’s views will be. That’s the nature of law. Rights are also protected by law, but what’s the source of rights? The Constitution says they are endowed by our Creator, not from any other source. That’s a wise view, because it’s the only way they can be viewed as innate and immutable. Otherwise, rights are subjective and we have to ask whose version of “rights” should any society adopt? Nazi rights? Bushido rights? Sharia rights?

So, if one believes in innate and immutable rights, one must believe in the Constitution. If one does, the only remaining question is whose concept of the Creator are we talking about? The oldest and most developed concept in the West is that of Catholicism.

And that view might not be so stupid as some might think. As we watch imminent and potentially catastrophic population collapse in virtually every developed country and a good portion of the underdeveloped one, some might reasonably think protection of the unborn a wise view.

And I think it’s erroneous to ascribe the view you ascribe to Evangelicals. That depends on where you are. Here in the Bible Belt, most Evangelicals are very politically active in the prolife cause.
 
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