It's Official: Pope Repeals Excommunications of SSPX Bishops!

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“And certainly it is not good neither for the echumenical work nor for the relations with the jews.
Jewish organisations will not sit still in peace for this desicion .”

So who runs the Church?
 
anjoh66 said:
And certainly it is not good neither for the echumenical work nor for the relations with the jews.
Jewish organisations will not sit still in peace for this desicion .
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Not picking on you personally here anjoh, as a few others have mentioned the “jewish connection” as well. So I posit this: Since when have the Jews had a say in how the Roman Catholic Church is organised, managed or been involved in the decision-making process? And why should they - what right do they have to tell the Pope how to run the Catholic faith?

Let the Jews stick to Judaism.

EDIT ProVobis beat me to it…
 
AlanF said:
Alleluja!

😃 🙂 :cool: 👍

Hopefully the confusion over whether we can receive Holy Communion from the SSPX will end now.

😃 🙂 :cool: 👍
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You are not allowed to take communion with SSPX, they still didnt solve the issue about priests and bishops.

So their priests and bishops is not accepted by the Catholic church
 
srp643 said:
It’s great to see our current Pontiff continuing to undo the mistakes of the past.
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That was not what happened. Lifting an excommunication is no more an admission of a mistake than absolution of sin it tolerance of sin.
 
jakobsprenger said:
Not picking on you personally here anjoh, as a few others have mentioned the “jewish connection” as well. So I posit this: Since when have the Jews had a say in how the Roman Catholic Church is organised, managed or been involved in the decision-making process? And why should they - what right do they have to tell the Pope how to run the Catholic faith?

Let the Jews stick to Judaism.

EDIT ProVobis beat me to it…
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Of course the jews can not run the church and its non of their business.

The Vatican has also declared that the ex-communication and williamsons right wing extremism has no connection, it doesnt mean the church accept his personal views.

And as i said, the fact remains that catholics are not allowed to communicate at SSPX.

Their bishops and priest are not validly ordained in the eyes of the church, so of course then you cant also take the eucharist from them.
 
The denial of the Holocaust is a personal position that has nothing to do with Church Dogma of Faith and Morals. The denial of holocaust is not anti-semitism, the person simply have gathered informations that have him conclude that way. It’s the same as believing in Jesus is not “anti-semitism” or producing a movie for Our Lord’s Death is not “anti-semitism”.

St. Paul reprimanded St. Peter because his actions does not speak the Teaching of the Church and it will bring peril to a lot of souls. Archbishop Lefebvre did not ordain the bishops to question the Infallibility of the Pope nor his right as Christ’s Representative on Earth. It was for the salvation of souls and those people wanting to continue on the Faith as Taught by the Church for countless ages. The SSPX have always recognized the Pope and urged faithfuls to pray for strength and wisdom be given to him by God. Schism is a label unjustly branded against the SSPX by media and people who know less of the issue.

NO POPE NOR COUNCIL IS ABOVE THE ‘DEPOSIT OF FAITH’.
 
anjoh66 said:
Of course the jews can not run the church and its non of their business.

The Vatican has also declared that the ex-communication and williamsons right wing extremism has no connection, it doesnt mean the church accept his personal views.

And as i said, the fact remains that catholics are not allowed to communicate at SSPX.

Their bishops and priest are not validly ordained in the eyes of the church, so of course then you cant also take the eucharist from them.
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Apparently —you don’t the Church well enough. There is no question about the validity of the ordinations of the bishops and priests. They are valid bishops and priests.
 
anjoh66 said:
You are not allowed to take communion with SSPX, they still didnt solve the issue about priests and bishops.
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They are suspended but their consecrations and communion are valid. Same as before. But I see a speedier resolution to these suspensions, especially since the bishops are not allowed to ordain any more priests right now.
 
I Am So Excited!!!
The Church Is Being Rebuilt!!!
Maybe Other Churches Will Soon Follow Suite!!!
Oh What An Awesome Day!!!
 
ProVobis said:
They are suspended but their consecrations and communion are valid. Same as before. But I see a speedier resolution to these suspensions, especially since the bishops are not allowed to ordain any more priests right now.
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Bizackly - I’m sure there’ll be a lot of people asking questions of their bishops as well as the Vatican right about now, so I imagine they’ll very soon come out with an explicit statement regarding the status of the priests and Bishops and the validity and liceity of past and present sacraments in the SSPX. :yup:
 
nbjayme said:
The denial of holocaust is not anti-semitism,…
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Not true according to the ADL:
“Holocaust denial, which its propagandists misrepresent as “historical revisionism,” has become one of the most important vehicles for contemporary anti-Semitism. It is the invention of a collection of long-time anti-Semites and apologists for Hitler.”
adl.org/holocaust/introduction.asp
 
anjoh66 said:
Their bishops and priest are not validly ordained in the eyes of the church, so of course then you cant also take the eucharist from them.
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I thought that the clergy of the SSPX were validly ordained. Do you have a reference which says they are not?
 
bobzills,

Jesus can also be used by anti-semitism propagandists.

Have you not heard the uproar of Jews against “The Passion”?

I have watched the film but never having an anti-semitism mood.

So you conclude wrongly or perhaps the ADL.

😉

Peace. let’s pray more…
 
bobzills said:
Not true according to the ADL:
“Holocaust denial, which its propagandists misrepresent as “historical revisionism,” has become one of the most important vehicles for contemporary anti-Semitism. It is the invention of a collection of long-time anti-Semites and apologists for Hitler.”
adl.org/holocaust/introduction.asp
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Oh yea – like that organization does not have self serving agenda.
 
bobzills said:
I thought that the clergy of the SSPX were validly ordained. Do you have a reference which says they are not?
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I would be interested in seeing that reference as well. The Priests and Bishops of the SSPX are validly ordained so this is not a new question or issue. Some people confuse “valid” and “licit” and there is a world of difference between the two.
 
pnewton said:
That was not what happened. Lifting an excommunication is no more an admission of a mistake than absolution of sin it tolerance of sin.
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Very good point. Not many here are acknowledging the validity of the excommunications (something that has been denied on this forum for a long time), but are praising the lifting. Pope Benedict rightly deserves praise for his generosity in lifting the excommunications for the good of the Church, not falsely “admitting a mistake.” The ball is now in the court of the sspx; it will be most interesting to see how they respond.
 
Walking_Home said:
Oh yea – like that organization does not have self serving agenda.
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And there are as well, others who say that holocaust denial is a form of anti-semitism:
“In a number of countries, in Europe as well as in the United States, the negation or gross minimization of the Nazi genocide of Jews has been the subject of books, essay and articles. Should their authors be protected by freedom of speech? The European answer has been in the negative: such writings are not only a perverse form of anti-semitism but also an aggression against the dead, their families, the survivors and society at large.” Roger Errera, “Freedom of speech in Europe”, in Georg Nolte, European and US Constitutionalism, Cambridge University Press, 2005, ISBN 0521854016, pp. 39-40.
 
I am posting here a letter from bishop Fellay and will bring two points in this letter into light:

"To Whom It May Concern,

Please allow me to introduce myself. I am the General Superior of the Society of Saint Pius X. I have been informed of an interview granted by Bishop Williamson, a member of our Society, to the Swedish TV and scheduled to be broadcasted this evening. Although it had been understood that the interview would deal with religious issues only, the reporter asked the bishop´s opinion concerning historical matters. It is obvious that a bishop can only speak about questions of faith and morals with any ecclesiastical authorithy. If he deals with secular issues, he is personally responsible for his own private opinions. The Society I am governing has no authorithy to address such issues, nor will it ever claim such authorithy. Our one and only objective is the restoration of the traditional doctrine within the Catholic Church. For this reason, we are accepted, respected and esteemed worldwide. It is shameful to use an interview on religious matters to introduce secular and controversial issues with the obvious intention of maligning the activity of our religious Society. Suc vile attempt will not reach its goal. The Society of Saint Pius X will not renounce its intention to bring the true Catholic Faith and sacraments to Swedish Catholics who have a right to both.

Menzingen, 21th Januari 2009

Bernhard Fellay"

Now to the points:

1.The historical matters he is reffering to is the Gas chambers that was used in the holocaust.
Bishop Williamson denies their very existence.

2.Fellay says : “The Society of Saint Pius X will not renounce its intention to bring the true Catholic Faith and sacraments to Swedish Catholics who have a right to both.”

Does that mean that we had not the true faith and neither true sacraments?
Thats the only way we can understand this statement, and that is a very strange statement from a secteric leader who has just been allowed into the church again by the Pope himself.

The very fact that the SSPX didnt approve the church after Vatican II is the main reason that they were ex-communicated.
 
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