It's the Occupation, Stupid

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pete_29 said:
First, I wasn’t a cop, I was a correctional officer. Second, I stopped being an alchoholic when the hangovers started lasting more than one day. Third, yes, I beat my wife. Fortunatly for me, she’s not very good at chess. Why all this hostility toward cops? Did one of them bust you while you were rolling an old lady for her social security check? 🤷
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No I’ve never been caught robbing old ladies… I was a member of a local citizens organization called Cop Watch, and my grandparents were alive during and fought in WW2, so I see many similarities between ‘Law Enforcement Officers’ in this country and those in Germany in the 40’s which my grandparents told me about. Our organization exposed so many dirty practices in the police department, and kept many innocent people out of jail. Abuse, extortion, planting evidence- we exposed and even managed to videotape much of it. I guess I would have to say prison guards are worse- I mean, anyone can become a cop, and you’d figure prison guards would have rather been cops, so they must just have been too stupid to pass the tests. Stupid and violent, combined with the right to bear arms, makes a bad combination. I’ve heard that many prison guards become prison guards because they are secretly, violently homosexual. Is that true?
 
TheTrueCentrist said:
Liberalism is in the eye of the beholder, evidently. Most people on this forum would be hard pressed to find a mainstream figure more conservative than they themselves are.
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…says someone who calls himself TheTrueCentrist and proceeds to post leftist claptrap in every thread. 😛
 
gilliam said:
When I read the article in the OP I was remedied of what the Confederate Soldier said when asked by a US soldier who just captured him. The US soldier asked, “why are you fighting us?” realizing that the US was fighting to keep the US intact and to eliminate slavery. The Confederate soldier replied, “Because your here.”
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But if we follow the logic, we would have a tough time getting an answer from the suicide bomber. They are likely dead.

Of course, I don’t really have a dog in this fight.
I do not believe these cases are a reasoned response that warrants any serious consideration.

There are some actions that are simply wrong no matter what the reason behind it may be.
 
Vixit said:
No I’ve never been caught robbing old ladies… I was a member of a local citizens organization called Cop Watch, and my grandparents were alive during and fought in WW2, so I see many similarities between ‘Law Enforcement Officers’ in this country and those in Germany in the 40’s which my grandparents told me about. Our organization exposed so many dirty practices in the police department, and kept many innocent people out of jail. Abuse, extortion, planting evidence- we exposed and even managed to videotape much of it. I guess I would have to say prison guards are worse- I mean, anyone can become a cop, and you’d figure prison guards would have rather been cops, so they must just have been too stupid to pass the tests. Stupid and violent, combined with the right to bear arms, makes a bad combination. I’ve heard that many prison guards become prison guards because they are secretly, violently homosexual. Is that true?
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Someone doesnt want to be a member of CAF anymore.
 
Vixit said:
No I’ve never been caught robbing old ladies… I was a member of a local citizens organization called Cop Watch, and my grandparents were alive during and fought in WW2, so I see many similarities between ‘Law Enforcement Officers’ in this country and those in Germany in the 40’s which my grandparents told me about. Our organization exposed so many dirty practices in the police department, and kept many innocent people out of jail. Abuse, extortion, planting evidence- we exposed and even managed to videotape much of it. I guess I would have to say prison guards are worse- I mean, anyone can become a cop, and you’d figure prison guards would have rather been cops, so they must just have been too stupid to pass the tests. Stupid and violent, combined with the right to bear arms, makes a bad combination. I’ve heard that many prison guards become prison guards because they are secretly, violently homosexual. Is that true?
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All I can say is WOW! What shining examples of Catholocism we are! My conscience bothers my about what I said. How about you?
 
I don’t know if it’s ‘stereotypical’, and I wasn’t shouting, just replying in kind to a smart-assed post. If you’d like I can provide you with links to hundreds of videos documenting said abuse. Warning: most of the victims of the big, bad cops are women…
 
Add to that needlessly provocative, too. I’ve known a number of police in my lifetime and I’ve found them to be human beings like anyone else.
 
pete_29 said:
All I can say is WOW! What shining examples of Catholocism we are! My conscience bothers my about what I said. How about you?
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Mine doesn’t often. It wouldn’t bother me if I spanked my child and set him in the corner for making foolish, overly sarcastic responses to a reasonable statement, either. I am, however, perfectly willing to respond politely to polite comments… But let me make my point in a more mature manner:

By immediately responding to a contrary opinion with sarcasm mixed with a healthy dose of logical fallacy, one immediately places one’s self in a partisan position and psychologically readies one’s self to block out any and all information received concerning the subject at hand. This does absolutely nothing to edify one’s self or others, and makes one appear more interested in perpetuating an imposed ‘this or that, black or white’ mentality that is detrimental to our cause. That’s why I cannot stress enough the need for Catholics to either start or join there own party, and run truly Catholic people for office. Then we could all get behind the same cause. Let’s not forget that, regardless of their party, many Dems and Reps are members of the same fraternities and ‘Bohemian Club’ and all that- they are the same, and they make a game out of seeing who can win control of the sheep. Not to mention they are all Protestants and Masons, and the only Catholic president we;ve ever had, they murdered. If it’s going to be ‘us vs them’, then let’s at least be against the real enemies. Voting for a Protestant could be just as much a sin as voting Democrat, in my opinion.
 
I believe I mentioned my grandparents were in WW2. My grandfather was German. Any comparisons I make are accurate. Also, I never used the words ‘pig’ or ‘military industrial complex’, and ‘brutality’ is in no way offensive when it accurately describes a person’s actions. Do you know how many Germans felt the exact same as you? “Our German brothers would never do (insert something someone saw/experienced/heard)!” And our politicians are above reproach! You realize that a vast majority of Germans voted for and welcomed the Nazis? Don’t think you are the first to let dumb patriotism blind you to facts.
 
Vixit said:
Mine doesn’t often. It wouldn’t bother me if I spanked my child and set him in the corner for making foolish, overly sarcastic responses to a reasonable statement, either. I am, however, perfectly willing to respond politely to polite comments… But let me make my point in a more mature manner:

By immediately responding to a contrary opinion with sarcasm mixed with a healthy dose of logical fallacy, one immediately places one’s self in a partisan position and psychologically readies one’s self to block out any and all information received concerning the subject at hand. This does absolutely nothing to edify one’s self or others, and makes one appear more interested in perpetuating an imposed ‘this or that, black or white’ mentality that is detrimental to our cause. That’s why I cannot stress enough the need for Catholics to either start or join there own party, and run truly Catholic people for office. Then we could all get behind the same cause. Let’s not forget that, regardless of their party, many Dems and Reps are members of the same fraternities and ‘Bohemian Club’ and all that- they are the same, and they make a game out of seeing who can win control of the sheep. Not to mention they are all Protestants and Masons, and the only Catholic president we;ve ever had, they murdered. If it’s going to be ‘us vs them’, then let’s at least be against the real enemies. Voting for a Protestant could be just as much a sin as voting Democrat, in my opinion.
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My only response is for you to read your posts. Take note of all the people you’ve slandered and honestly tell me that your response was reasonable. If you think it was, I can understand why your conscience rarely bothers you.
 
Vixit said:
Well, numbers don’t lie, and attacks have gone up proportionally since our occupation of Iraq in '90 (remember Desert Shield?), and various other small, relatively harmless countries in history. Google 'U.S. Wars for all the details. That also answers the question of the other poster that said, “Which country did we occupy on 9/11?” The answer is, Iraq. People need to stop the knee-jerk patriotism. I love my country, which is why I look honestly and objectively at its history, so that I might try to keep it from committing the same mistakes over and over again.

As for the Ft. Hood guy and others. Well, I just assume they were sick of seeing how their fellow religious brothers were treated. Hey, abortion clinic bombers do it for religious reasons too, don’t they? But I can empathize with them- I’ve wanted to smack down an abortionist, too.
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Wait I thought this wasn’t about religion it was about occupation; man you guys can’t have it both ways.
 
Vixit said:
Yah, sounds pretty liberal to me. He obviously knows nothing, has no experience. That explains why he taught for the Air Force- they are the most liberal, ignorant bunch in the military (with apologies to my brother-in-law)
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Yeah he’s been in academia for years he’s not in the real world he doesn’t have a clue IMHO.
 
As an 80s ska and punk rock fan, I will say that the Thatcher government produced some of the best music. 😃

I just went to an English Beat concert, and Dave Wakeling mentioned her again after singing Stand Down Margaret.
 
It’s one I’m often prone to use, as you know!
She is obviously given my political outlook not a politician I have much love for. However the idiocy of comparing police forces in general to those under the Nazi regime is one that line of hers was designed for.
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Message boards are not always the natural home of ‘a sense of proportion’. 😉
 
stanmaxkolbe said:
Wait I thought this wasn’t about religion it was about occupation; man you guys can’t have it both ways.
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I never said it was about religion. The fact is that most people in those countries are muslims. I was hazarding a guess as to why a muslim American might feel the need to do something, since you asked specifically about muslim Americans and how they differed from those in occupied territories. Your strawman arguments have no effect on debate team alumni! And yes, one can often have it several ways. Your fallacious black and white mindset seems to be what is keeping you ignorant of the matter at hand, not anything we say.
 
They would find them bizarre if they were Germans, and not enemies of the Germans. Americans treat each other relatively decently, just like the Germans treated their fellow Germans. But show them a ‘terrorist’ (as many Germans were labeled) or a ‘Communist’ or a ‘Spy’ or any number of convenient labels, and watch them go to town. Same with Americans. I’ve sen the pictures of Abu Graib, of Iraq and Afghanistan, Vietnam, everywhere else young men are encouraged toi abandon themselves to Satan in service of their Satanic masters. Yes sir, I stand by my comparisons. Do you think the Gestapo just went around raping and killing good flag-waving German citizens? Or did they do it to whomever their leaders labeled ‘THE ENEMY’? Well guess what, more and more in this country, YOU ARE THE ENEMY, and if you can’t realize that, you haven’t paid attention to the laws you’ve been voting for (need I remind everyone of PATRIOT ACT? It’s still a law, and you have plenty of chances to regret it.)
 
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