IUD/birth control, help doing what the church wants

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The biggest problem is that you have a husband who is putting his orgasm above your safety and desires, and above Church teaching. Would he rape you if you told him that you were not having sex tonight because you were fertile?
 
Very useful, thank you!

I do wonder how the church views intention to confess. What if the person dies on the way to confession? Or plans to go Saturday when it’s offered but dies on Thursday? Or plans to go in 10 years and dies before then? Maybe these are big questions only God knows. People surely die all the time (suddenly) without being able to ask forgiveness at all of God, in confession or otherwise. So should a Catholic ask for forgiveness from God ALWAYS after any sin before they can get to confession?
Yes, a person should repent and ask God for forgiveness the minute they feel remorse for their sin.

God instituted the sacraments, but He is not bound by them. A person goes to hell for unrepentant mortal sin, but if a person is repentant, heading to confession, and gets hit by a bus, I am confident in God’s mercy.

This is different situation from someone who feels guilty about their sin and plans on confessing on their death bed but plans to continue to commit mortal sin in the mean time.
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So, I will pray, go to mass. Try the rosary.
Great! The door is not closed, OP! You are now and always will be Catholic. You cannot access the sacraments in a state of unrepentant mortal sin, but perhaps God’s grace is prompting you to ask these questions and reevaluate your decisions.

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(And I think I should go to confession for having taken communion when I should not have. I did not understand or know any of this terminology at the time, as I learned all that here. I can go to confession anyway for receiving, right? Maybe it was not a sin if I didn’t know, but surely I can still go to confession?

No, you cannot go to confession and receive absolution until you are contrite for all your mortal sins and plan on stopping all of them. If you did not know that you committed sacrilege by receiving communion in a state of mortal sin, then it may not have been mortally sinful for you (though still gravely wrong). Your soul can’t have both the grace of God in it and also mortal sin. Light and Dark cannot exist together. So you can’t go to confession for certain sins if there are other mortal sins that you don’t feel contrition for and plan on ceasing.

kc456, why not just remove the IUD?
 
I do wonder how the church views intention to confess. What if the person dies on the way to confession? Or plans to go Saturday when it’s offered but dies on Thursday? Or plans to go in 10 years and dies before then? Maybe these are big questions only God knows. People surely die all the time (suddenly) without being able to ask forgiveness at all of God, in confession or otherwise. So should a Catholic ask for forgiveness from God ALWAYS after any sin before they can get to confession?
It is not just about contrition, but also about intent to stop sinning. Contrition includes a firm resolve to stop the sin and even the near occasion of sin. It cannot just be an intent to stop at some time in the future.

So to use your examples, if someone had committed a mortal sin, had contrition with a resolved to sin no more, and intended to go to confession, but died before they could, we can make an educated guess that God would forgive them. That also might be the case for someone who cannot make amends for say financial reason or reasons of danger. But in the case of someone that is going to confess in 10 years one has to ask why there is a delay. If they are contrite, but will not stop sinning then their contrition is not complete. There is a difference between cannot and will not.It would be like someone saying I am sorry for committing adultery, but my secretary is too attractive to stop sleeping with. Once she’s too old to find attractive then I will stop and go to confession. As long as they plan to continue sinning then intent to confess in the future is immaterial. Intent to confess and feeling bad is the movement of the Holy Spirit, but the refusal to stop the sin also shows a resistance to the actual graces and placing our trust in God.
“Well, I’ll use this birth control so I can be sure of no more children (but feel bad doing this), then confess later.” But yet it amounts to that I suppose? I wish to abstain but DH will not.
This shows you are feeling the Holy Spirit moving you to repentance, but it also shows that you struggle to set earthly concerns aside. Earlier you mention that you would accept children if the IUD and condom failed, but will not trust NFP as it is not 100%. So you accept that condoms and IUD do have a chance to fail and are willing to accept the risk using immoral means, but will not trust using moral means unless they are 100% guaranteed (e.g. continuous abstinence). This is what I mean by the struggle to put aside earthly concerns. It is an extreme position to say I only trust those means that guarantee (or nearly guarantee) what I desire even if they do not serve my relationship with my husband or with God.

I have 7 children between 22 and 1 (5 of them are under 10) and I will be 62 before the youngest is 18 so I understand the struggles. We are at an age where we have to ask if we can really continue to have children when they would need support past when I could work. At the same time I lived without confession or the Eucharist for 35 years (I’m a convert) and could not imagine giving that up for passing things in this life. My wife and I have been able to make significant changes in our life precisely because of the strength from the graces from the sacraments. There are things that I would have outright laughed about if you told me 10 years ago, but God walks with us as long as we will walk with him
But you are saying a door is not being closed to me.?I should not forget about trying to be a Catholic?
Just like the prodigal son returned to his father, the Church is always waiting for us. But like the father She will watch for us, but he will not come to get us. It is up to us to find the strength to return to our Father and His Church. Even if we stumble we need to keep moving toward home. We should never just sit down on the road and accept death because it seems the road is too hard or the way too long.
(And I think I should go to confession for having taken communion when I should not have. I did not understand or know any of this terminology at the time, as I learned all that here. I can go to confession anyway for receiving, right? Maybe it was not a sin if I didn’t know, but surely I can still go to confession?
You can certainly talk to the pastor and express your sorrow, but he cannot absolve you of only some sins. It you knowingly hold back a sin in confession then absolution is invalid and there are no sacramental graces. It would have been a venial sin at best if you did not know. Unfortunately until you can move beyond the current state of things the sacraments are closed to you. You can certainly receive graces, but they would be to move you to amendment.
 
Can I go up to communion and get a blessing or do I sit in the pew?

I am still confused. Are you saying I cannot get absolution in confession years from now, if I continue to use an IUD through child-bearing years? That confession won’t matter? That I won’t be sorry enough for it to matter? I am sorry about the whole situation. I truly hate all of this. I was able to avoid sin without marriage, and now it’s so hard. I just want to abstain. But maybe that’s neither here nor there.

I am not giving up on anything…obviously I am here, listening, praying.
 
Please be kind and help me get back to the church here.

I have an IUD (Skyla) and DH uses condoms in addition (We have many, many small kids all close in age, for the record). The IUD/condoms are recent. I don’t think physically I could go through another pregnancy, either, or take care of the ones I have. I get really sick! DH will not abstain but I WOULD. So, I feel stuck.

I am willing to go to confession but am not ready to have the IUD removed, so should I not go to confession right now? Can I still go to mass?

I am trying to do the right thing and really feel stuck. I will NOT have this IUD forever and DO want to do what the church teaches. Can I ever get in good standing with the church? (And when it was put in I didn’t know about mortal sins, just a vague sense that the church thinks it is wrong. I have done a bunch of reading since then.) And also, how does DH using condoms affect my need for confession and sin? Would confession even years from now be valid for the IUD? Because, I DO plan to get it removed at some point obviously and feel guilty and wrong with it in. Does that count for anything? What do people do when stuck like this in marriage? Marriage is two people but we are not following the church rules. Alone, I could, easily, gladly.
You cannot have an iud in your case and be in a state of grace to recoeve the Eucharist.
 
I did not know that. Given my situation, I cannot go to confession for having received when I should not have? (And here again, I did not know, so it might not be a sin).

I know I cannot seek absolution for the IUD issue. But I can’t go to confession at all right now?? What happens if I go? I was planning on going to confession and I have not been in (a year? It might have been more). I figured the priest should know why I am not getting communion anymore.

DH thinks the birth control rule is silly so I won’t get any sympathy there. So I am trying to work on my own soul.

Can I go up to communion and get a blessing or do I sit in the pew?
No you cannot confess only some sins. Confession returns us to a state of grace. As nodito so aptly put it, Light and Darkness, cannot coexist. Confessing while withholding a mortal sin does nothing but maybe make you feel better. Just like someone that is baptized and then “rebabtized” just gets wet, confession without intent to stop all sin provides no graces. It is simply a nice, if uncomfortable, conversation.

I often relate our souls to being like a clay vessel. In baptism we are fired and glazed to make the vessel water tight. That allows us to hold the water that is Grace or a share in the life of God. Through sin we weaken or shatter that vessel, but confession puts it back together. To confess only some sins would be like putting the vessel back together but leaving out some pieces. You cannot fill a vessel with water if there are holes. The same with Grace. We cannot receive sanctifying grace when we hold parts of our selves back from healing.

Another way of thinking about it is to go to the doctor and ask him to treat a scratch, but to ignore the gash on your throat. Healing one thing while ignoring a mortal wound does not save you and you would surely die even if the scratch is healed.

With regard to what to do during reception of the Eucharist? I would say stay in the pew. The whole parish receives a blessing right after the Eucharist so there really isn’t a reason to turn the Eucharist into something it was never intended to be. I know that makes some people feel uncomfortable, but when I have had to do so it also reminds me that pride is also a sin that is opposed to humility and it moves me to reflect on where I place my own selfish acts before duty to God.

You would also need to ask yourself why you want a blessing. A blessing is to move us towards God and to do right in his eyes. If you want the graces to choose to follow God’s will then it might have value, but if you want it merely as a salve for felling you’ve lost something then I would say it is not motivated by the right attitude.

The sorrow at lose of the sacraments should move us to do what is right and not become merely a feeling like we had something taken from us. Sin is all about what we **chose **to do, so nothing is take from us but rather something we have given away. Again the story of the prodigal son comes to mind. His father gave him his inheritance and he squandered it on frivolous pursuits. Until he came back he lived in poverty, not because his father refused to help him, but rather because he was too prideful to return to him. I often try to remember that story when I feel separated from God. Why do I chose to sleep with the swine when I simply have to return to my Father’s house.
 
CAN I go up for a blessing? What do I do with all my little kids? Some are old enough for communion. I need to go up to help DH, I think. I have to carry the baby for HIM to get a blessing, and then there is the toddler…so I would want to go up unless it is not allowed? I am OK with no blessing but then what when I get up there? Do nothing? That is awkward. I will be carrying a child most likely.

I cannot go to confession right now, I understand. (edited some out that was not relevant)

Are you saying I cannot go to confession years from now if I have an IUD through child-bearing years? Even if I AM contrite? They would turn me away from ever getting absolution because I did not take it out immediately?
Is it black and white?
IUD through child-bearing years = eternal damnation no matter what?
Surely we cannot know all of God’s plans or mysteries?
 
Can I go up to communion and get a blessing or do I sit in the pew?
You and your children who are too young to receive should stay in the pew. Some churches have the habit of blessing people who come up and do not receive, but this is not what they are supposed to do, esp not the Exteaordinary Ministers.
I am still confused. Are you saying I cannot get absolution in confession years from now, if I continue to use an IUD through child-bearing years?
When you stop and resolve not to use abc any more, then you can go to Confession. Pray for an earlier resolution to your problem and don’t rely on being able to after menopause, tho.
That confession won’t matter? That I won’t be sorry enough for it to matter? I am sorry about the whole situation. I truly hate all of this. I was able to avoid sin without marriage, and now it’s so hard. I just want to abstain. But maybe that’s neither here nor there.
What is holding you back from taking out the IUD and doing your part about doing the right thing? (not a question you need to answer here, but to think about.) Also, you could start recording for NFP, since it takes a while to really get the hang of it.
I am not giving up on anything…obviously I am here, listening, praying.
Listening and praying are great 🙂
 
CAN I go up for a blessing? What do I do with all my little kids? Some are old enough for communion. I need to go up to help DH, I think. I have to carry the baby for HIM to get a blessing, and then there is the toddler…so I would want to go up unless it is not allowed? I am OK with no blessing but then what when I get up there? Do nothing? That is awkward. I will be carrying a child most likely.
If you and your husband are unable to receive communion, you may remain seated in the pew. Your children who are old enough to receive communion may go up by themselves.
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I cannot go to confession right now, I understand. (edited some out that was not relevant)

Are you saying I cannot go to confession years from now if I have an IUD through child-bearing years? Even if I AM contrite? They would turn me away from ever getting absolution? Does God, who is all powerful, pay attention to how hard I am struggling with this? Or is it black and white?
IUD through child-bearing years = eternal damnation no matter what?
You can go to confession as soon as you feel contrite and are determined to sin no more. You can go tomorrow, if you wish, provided that you’re willing to stop using the IUD.
 
The thing that is holding me back about removing it ASAP is because DH won’t abstain and I want to prevent another pregnancy.

I feel like I could do the right thing IF not for DH. Maybe that’s silly to say. We are married and I don’t live on an island alone.

So IUD through child-bearing years = eternal damnation no matter what? Confession won’t matter at all in the future nor bring absolution unless I remove it right away? But if I am not READY to sin no more…I don’t feel ready yet. I am still thinking about all this and about when it would come out, etc.
 
The thing that is holding me back about removing it ASAP is because DH won’t abstain and I want to prevent another pregnancy.

I feel like I could do the right thing IF not for DH. Maybe that’s silly to say. We are married and I don’t live on an island alone.
You need to learn and employ NFP
You cannot use arrificial birth control (abc) to prevent pregnancy. Neither can your husband. HOWEVER if your husband uses condoms, YOU, not your husband, may be admitted to the sacraments. The fact that you are laying blame for your sin on your husband is concerning. Please seek the guidance of a good, and holy priest.
 
The thing that is holding me back about removing it ASAP is because DH won’t abstain and I want to prevent another pregnancy.

I feel like I could do the right thing IF not for DH. Maybe that’s silly to say. We are married and I don’t live on an island alone.

So IUD through child-bearing years = eternal damnation no matter what? Confession won’t matter at all in the future nor bring absolution unless I remove it right away? But if I am not READY to sin no more…I don’t feel ready yet. I am still thinking about all this and about when it would come out, etc.
The sin of presumption is saying to the Lord, I will sin now, and confess later.

Think of it like adultery, say your husband was cheating on you, his rationale is that he will amend his ways later, when he is 85 and has no sex drive. Then he will ask for forgiveness?

The church mercifully allows those in difficult situations to use a form of birth control. It’s called nfp. Please investigate this.
 
Everybody does the right thing when it’s easy.

Being holy is doing it when it’s hard.
 
I am sorry to lay blame on him. Am I? I was saying that I would not be committing mortal sin if I abstained. And I am willing to do that since I want to avoid mortal sin. But he won’t abstain. I felt stuck.

But OK…it’s a matter of when it comes out. There is hope, at least I hope so.

So he is not committing any sin by having relations with me because the IUD is in my body? And I am not committing any sin if I have relations with his, despite condoms, because it’s his body? I don’t know. Maybe someone does. Again I would abstain. So much easier and then no sins. Sigh.
 
I am still confused. Are you saying I cannot get absolution in confession years from now, if I continue to use an IUD through child-bearing years? That confession won’t matter? That I won’t be sorry enough for it to matter? I am sorry about the whole situation. I truly hate all of this. I was able to avoid sin without marriage, and now it’s so hard. I just want to abstain. But maybe that’s neither here nor there.
You can if you have contrition, you simply cannot be absolved if you plan to continue to sin. You can feel sorry and have true contrition, but without the intent to stop it is not complete. If in 3, 5, or 10 years you resolve to have the IUD removed and feel sorrow for choosing your will above God’s then you are fine. Even if in 10 years you have it removed and don’t feel sorrow for offending God, but rather out of fear of Hell then you can also be absolved. The first is called perfect contrition (sorrow for offending God) the second is attrition or imperfect contrition (repentance from fear of Hell). Both dispose us to receiving Grace, but also require turning away from sin. Contrition without that turning away is the issue.
I am not giving up on anything…obviously I am here, listening, praying.
I am glad to hear that. Try to remember that when we struggle it is often the fight between heaven and perdition. Trying to do what is right is the movement of the Holy Spirit. Also remember that our crosses are the ladder we climb to heaven (thank you Archbishop Sheen :signofcross:). If we toss our cross aside then we give up the very thing God gives us to scale the heights. I would like to say things get easier, but sometimes God carry’s much of the weight of the cross, but as we strengthen in Faith he lets us carry more and more. It is all about strengthening us for Eternal Life. We just need to keep in mind that Christ will always be there to help us shoulder the cross, if we but ask him to help. The only thing he won’t do is to help carry our cross by turning away from God. If you struggle and suddenly the burden is lifted, but you find you are walking away from Calvary then look behind you because it likely isn’t Christ that is helping you, but rather the Father of Lies.

If I sometimes come off as harsh it is because so many Catholics have never been catechized and live an essentially secular life. I lived a secular life for 34 years where I was the sole authority (okay my wife might have had a bit of authority there too ;)). I had no guidance beyond where ever my head pointed me and that did not lead me to happiness. I still had struggles and “freedom” often just led me to more problems. Only in the Church did I finally find a beacon to light my way. I certainly still have struggles, but instead of facing a cliff and trying to find my own way I have guidance on how to climb it. It’s still a cliff to be scaled with effort, but the Church has given me firm anchors and has never lead me down blind routes that ended in being stuck. Even when I wasn’t sure where a route might lead me, I still came out safe on the other end.

My advice is pray. If you have an adoration chapel go there and pray before our Lord in the blessed sacrament. Take your fears, your worries, your sorrows and pains to Him and ask him to guide you. Christ will always answer us, but we need to open our hearts to hear Him. When you hear the loud voice calling “but… but… but…” push it aside. Christ whispers and the loud voice of self doubt is not his words.
 
I had never heard of the sin of presumption. Thank you for pointing it out. Am I really committing that now? Help!

I am saying I don’t feel READY to go to confession. It is clear from reading here that I cannot go, in fact. As long as I have this IUD. I want to pray more, think more, maybe talk to a priest. I have no intention of sin now, confess later. I am saying I don’t know what I am going to do yet.
 
I am sorry to lay blame on him. Am I? I was saying that I would not be committing mortal sin if I abstained. And I am willing to do that since I want to avoid mortal sin. But he won’t abstain. I felt stuck.

But OK…it’s a matter of when it comes out. There is hope, at least I hope so.

So he is not committing any sin by having relations with me because the IUD is in my body? And I am not committing any sin if I have relations with his, despite condoms, because it’s his body? I don’t know. Maybe someone does. Again I would abstain. So much easier and then no sins. Sigh.
Are you familiar with the catechism? You cans find it online.
You can read in it about the sin of ABC. What the Eucharist is, and confession.
These seem to be things you are struggling with.
 
I had never heard of the sin of presumption. Thank you for pointing it out. Am I really committing that now? Help!

I am saying I don’t feel READY to go to confession. It is clear from reading here that I cannot go, in fact. As long as I have this IUD. I want to pray more, think more, maybe talk to a priest. I have no intention of sin now, confess later. I am saying I don’t know what I am going to do yet.
Do you know the three elements of mortal sin?
Grave matter, full knowledge and full will?
We cannot determine the state of your soul. But you need some good spiritual direction and catechisis. It is truly a shame the catechisis on these things is not clarified for people!

I’m rooting for you!
 
No! Until about a week ago I had NO IDEA WHAT MORTAL SIN WAS. Now I have read about those elements and more. Now after reading I realize I am committing sin, I think. I did not know the IUD was a mortal sin (well, for me, I am not sure since all I had was a vague sense it was not allowed and little understanding why).

Catholics don’t keep their children ignorant, do they? You mean I’d be fine and not in sin if I CHOSE NOT GO JOIN CAF and learned no more about my faith?

All my Catholic friends out there with IUD’s are fine because they don’t know what mortal sin is? All of my friends I talk to have NO understanding of any of this. Our educations were poor, I can see. So they go to Heaven just fine?

Have I assumed a burden here by seeking knowledge? I hope God is listening and knows I am not trying to sin.
 
The thing that is holding me back about removing it ASAP is because DH won’t abstain and I want to prevent another pregnancy.

I feel like I could do the right thing IF not for DH. Maybe that’s silly to say. We are married and I don’t live on an island alone.
What would your husband say if you went to him and told him you were convinced that the IUD was a grave sin and that you could not in good conscience use it anymore? Would he really be so callous as to insist that you violate your conscience so he can satisfy his sexual appetite?

Or would he say, “I’m using condoms anyway”?
Or would he say, “Well then, I guess we’ll probably get pregnant?”

Would he rape you? I guess what I’m getting at is, if you become convinced that this is sinful, have the conversation with your husband and help him understand how important this is to you. I feel like, even if he disagrees with its sinfulness, a loving husband should be concerned with the feelings of his wife.
 
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