I've officially left the Church

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First Letter of John - not the Gospel of John, but the First Letter of John. We write it as “I John.” It’s toward the back of your New Testament. 😉

There are also II John (Second Letter of John) and III John (Third Letter of John).
I just have John.

I know that all three John’s are in it, I believe.
 
I do not care what you think about Christ, thats your opinoin. I might try to lean you towards Christianity, but I will not force you to read the bible.

He told me I should research Orthodox.
The first thing you notice about the Orthodox is that they have nobody who is the Successor of Peter, the chief Apostle. In Matthew 16:18-19, Jesus quoted from Isaiah 22:22, which clearly demonstrates that the Office of St. Peter will take successors until the end of Christ’s reign in Heaven, the same way that the office of key-holder lasted for as long as the throne of David lasted.
 
I just have John.

I know that all three John’s are in it, I believe.
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What Bible are you using? Does it have 27 books in the New Testament?

Here is what I have:

The New Testament

The Gospels

Matthew • Mark • Luke • John

The Early Church

Acts of the Apostles

Missionary Letters to Various Cities

Romans • I Corinthians • II Corinthians • Galatians • Ephesians • Philippians • Colossians • I Thessalonians • II Thessalonians • I Timothy • II Timothy • Titus • Philemon • Hebrews

Apostolic Letters to the Whole Church

James • I Peter • II Peter • I John • II John • III John • Jude

Prophecy

Revelation
 
So, when you said I’m not going to try to figure out a way that it’s ok for me not to do it. you weren’t talking about me, trying to research into this, because I didn’t think the scripture backed it up? If not sorry, if so, continue.
I was talking about myself
I was reffering to talking about hte discussion you had about opinoins being right/wrong, where you said but my (my as in you, remember the post?)opinoin is wrong.
No, I didn’t mean say **your **opinion was wrong, You were saying you had a right to your opinion about Truth. I was making a general statement that when it comes to Truth, Truth doesn’t depend on someone’s opinion. It doesn’t depend on feelings, opinions. It just is. Truth never changes.
 
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What Bible are you using? Does it have 27 books in the New Testament?

Here is what I have:

The New Testament

The Gospels

Matthew • Mark • Luke • John

The Early Church

Acts of the Apostles

Missionary Letters to Various Cities

Romans • I Corinthians • II Corinthians • Galatians • Ephesians • Philippians • Colossians • I Thessalonians • II Thessalonians • I Timothy • II Timothy • Titus • Philemon • Hebrews

Apostolic Letters to the Whole Church

James • I Peter • II Peter • I John • II John • III John • Jude

Prophecy

Revelation
AHHH! Found em sorry bout that.
I was talking about myself
No, I didn’t mean say **your **opinion was wrong, You were saying you had a right to your opinion about Truth. I was making a general statement that when it comes to Truth, Truth doesn’t depend on someone’s opinion. It doesn’t depend on feelings, opinions. It just is. Truth never changes.
Yes, but people’s version of truth is different through opinoins.
 
AHHH! Found em sorry bout that.

Yes, but people’s version of truth is different through opinoins.
There are not different versions of the truth - rather, some people’s opinions are closer to the truth, and others are farther away.

Having a different opinion doesn’t cause the Truth to change itself, though.
 
There are not different versions of the truth - rather, some people’s opinions are closer to the truth, and others are farther away.

Having a different opinion doesn’t cause the Truth to change itself, though.
But when their are thousands of opinoins, its hard to find the right one that is closest.
 
But when their are thousands of opinoins, its hard to find the right one that is closest.
You are right and that is why Jesus says:

“Enter by the narrow gate; for the gate is wide and the way is easy, that leads to destruction, and those who enter by it are many. For the gate is narrow and the way is hard, that leads to life, and those who find it are few.”[Matthew 7:13-14]
 
AHHH! Found em sorry bout that.

Yes, but people’s version of truth is different through opinoins.
Yes, people’s versions of truth are different because of their opinions. But that statement means that truth depends on the opinions of the individual (subjective) and not on objective fact. \

Case in point— some people’s opinions think it is okay to enslave others (even today) because the others are not equal to them. And they would use their scripture to back this up. So is this opinion a truth that everyone must acknowledge?
 
Yes, people’s versions of truth are different because of their opinions. But that statement means that truth depends on the opinions of the individual (subjective) and not on objective fact. \

Case in point— some people’s opinions think it is okay to enslave others (even today) because the others are not equal to them. And they would use their scripture to back this up. So is this opinion a truth that everyone must acknowledge?
I never said people who have an opinoin of truth are right.l

I never said it was, but no. I wouldn’t believe that to be true, I also wouldn’t believe that any man is better than me.
 
But when their are thousands of opinoins, its hard to find the right one that is closest.
That’s why you have to look at history and Scripture - to see what the original followers of Jesus were doing - how did they interpret the commandment to confess our sins? How did they interpret the commandment to eat and drink of the Lord’s flesh and blood? What did they teach their followers to do? What was their attitude towards Mary and the Saints? Then, we can find the Church that does all these things, that has an unbroken line of succession going back to the Apostles, and we can become joined with them. 🙂
 
That’s why you have to look at history and Scripture - to see what the original followers of Jesus were doing - how did they interpret the commandment to confess our sins? How did they interpret the commandment to eat and drink of the Lord’s flesh and blood? What did they teach their followers to do? What was their attitude towards Mary and the Saints? Then, we can find the Church that does all these things, that has an unbroken line of succession going back to the Apostles, and we can become joined with them. 🙂
Well, my hting is, everything I see has to have scripture proof, I am sure you know htis.

I just don’t see how some of it is proof, I mean honestly, the pope thing I can see cause he tells peter whatever he binds on earth and such, the rock part still makes me go, uh, but I see that.

Apostles, I guess I see it better now.

Thanks for being informative. I will haev more questions once I think of something lol
 
I also wouldn’t believe that any man is better than me.
What does this mean?

Would you say that there is no man who is stronger than you are, physically?

Would you say that there is no one who has more authority than you have, in some particular area of expertise? (For example, is Stephen Hawking more of an authority than you are on the subject of Physics?)

Does the President of the United States not have more authority than you have over the American government?

What does it mean, to say that no man is better than you are?
 
What does this mean?

Would you say that there is no man who is stronger than you are, physically?

Would you say that there is no one who has more authority than you have, in some particular area of expertise? (For example, is Stephen Hawking more of an authority than you are on the subject of Physics?)

Does the President of the United States not have more authority than you have over the American government?

What does it mean, to say that no man is better than you are?
I mean, no man is better than me in the eys of God.
 
Well, my hting is, everything I see has to have scripture proof, I am sure you know htis.

I just don’t see how some of it is proof, I mean honestly, the pope thing I can see cause he tells peter whatever he binds on earth and such, the rock part still makes me go, uh, but I see that.

Apostles, I guess I see it better now.

Thanks for being informative. I will haev more questions once I think of something lol
When you turn to the Scripture for proof remember that it was the Early Church Fathers who determined what was Scripture.
 
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