I've officially left the Church

[thecoach]

It’s not a re-enactment but a re-presentation. I’ve studied enough Catholicism to know that. Christ is not crucified again (once was all) but Catholics are brought back, as it were, to Calvary, to the one sacrifice, now eternal, now complete, and obtain its fruits by being there.

Anyway that’s my understanding of their theology.

Maybe better wording is need on my part…this from catholic.org:

Q: Are some of these dimensions – sacrifice, memorial, banquet – more important than others?

Father Flores: These three dimensions of the Eucharist are inseparable. The sacrifice perpetuates the sacrificial death of Christ on the cross.

Why the need to perpetuate a once for all sacrifice? Makes no logical sense.

 

[KephasAugustine]

How insulting.

I agree.

While it is true that some other Christian churches will lay just as many, if not more, “burdens” on the backs of the flock, the point could have been stated with much more charity.

Still, whenever the word “burden” comes up, I get this image of a Jewish Man carrying a cross…Lord, let me help You carry it!

 

[thecoach]

This is my point. This is a great example of why we [CATHOLICS] should be very careful. I’ve reported you as a proselytizing preacher that left the Cahtolic Church. You have only one reason for being here. This is a typicaly Protestant method of detracting from what’s really taking place. I know. I used the same tactics too. It doesn’t work on some of us.

you make no sense here, but I have left it to the mods to figure out.

 

[thecoach]

What is it that I have stated that Scripture contradicts? Do tell me. I am listening with open ears, and an open mind.

It’s pretty clear what Christ says, so, maybe you can enlighten me.

It is NOT clear to you. As I stated…read your BIble. Better yet, go the the site on my sig and read around it a while.

 

[KephasAugustine]

Why the need to perpetuate a once for all sacrifice? Makes no logical sense.

Out of love for Christ, we desire to keep Him company as He suffers for us. Out of love for us, Christ allows it.

 

[onetimeposter]

I sincerely hope you come back home. Hell sucks.

If you believe in a God that determines who gets to heaven based upon a person having achieved a series of imposed institutional requirements and having belonged to the correct institution that worships him…then I want nothing to do with your vision of God.

That is the definition of a works based faith.

Salvation is a free gift and is not dependent upon working your way through a series of necessary requirements that have been established by a self proclaimed infallible institutional Church.

To me salvation is personal, not institutional.

 

[thecoach]

Out of love for Christ, we desire to keep Him company as He suffers for us. Out of love for us, Christ allows it.

That still doesnt make sense…keep him company for something He did once for all 2000 years ago? And in His Resurrected state He does not suffer, so why this line of thinking?

 

[Truthstalker]

Very brief summary…

The type of worship within the RCC, the beliefs, the theology of requirement based salvation, the special powers that only ordained clergy retain, the magesterium, Mary, the Saints, indulgences, repetitive prayers, the monarchical theistic view of God, all sorts of Catholic miracles, relics, the over done tradition, the Latin Mass, rules for everything imaginable ( everyone will focus in on this one ) , the Vatican, infallibility in faith and morals, and the belief that the promises of Christ can only be achieved through the institution of the RCC.

Well, the others follow from the last one, which isn’t even RCC belief. They believe that people outside the RCC can be saved as well.

Honestly, man, you need to study some theology. I’m not sure you know what you believe, why you left the Church, or what you are leaving it for. You could be leaving it for something worse. And I say that as a Protestant. I’m not cheering your decision. It’s not like you had this wondrous insight into justification by faith and a tremendous experience of the grace of God. It’s more like things are lousy, so you are leaving. Kind of sad, not glad.

 

[thecoach]

If you believe in a God that determines who gets to heaven based upon a person having achieved a series of imposed institutional requirements and having belonged to the correct institution that worships him…then I want nothing to do with your vision of God.

That is the definition of a works based faith.

It’s a free gift available to all.

:clapping:

 

[BayernAnhaenger]

It is NOT clear to you. As I stated…read your BIble. Better yet, go the the site on my sig and read around it a while.

Then TELL me where to look, right now. Refute the history of Peter and the Bible that i have told you in earlier posts.

You cannot, and have not yet done so. So, I am waiting for you to do this. Do not simply tell me to go off and read the Bible. I have already done so. You telling me to re-read something which I have already read is not accomplishing anything.

 

[BayernAnhaenger]

If you believe in a God that determines who gets to heaven based upon a person having achieved a series of imposed institutional requirements and having belonged to the correct institution that worships him…then I want nothing to do with your vision of God.

That is the definition of a works based faith.

Salvation is a free gift and is not dependent upon working your way through a series of necessary requirements that have been established by a self proclaimed infallible institutional Church.

To me salvation is personal, not institutional.

Well, seeing as how God, through the Holy Spirit imposed those “requirements”…

Either way, have fun being in error! You’ll join the millions of heretics since 1517!

 

[Truthstalker]

Maybe better wording is need on my part…this from catholic.org:

Q: Are some of these dimensions – sacrifice, memorial, banquet – more important than others?

Father Flores: These three dimensions of the Eucharist are inseparable. The sacrifice perpetuates the sacrificial death of Christ on the cross.

Why the need to perpetuate a once for all sacrifice? Makes no logical sense.

It has to do with some high scholastic theology they claim makes sense. At some point I go fuzzy when I try to follow it.
This thread isn’t the place to discuss the Eucharist. But they use the term “re-presentation” in modern English. And they insist it is a real sacrifice. “Real” is a technical scholastic term and I sometimes suspect that no one really knows or understands exactly what they mean. I like the Orthodox position that it is mystery and that we have to stop there.

 

[Marc_Aupiais]

Baptsim saves- not so much the water, but the acting of a good conscience toward God - Epistle of st Peter- New Testament
Confessiong- John 20v23 whose sins,
it is actually the sorrow, and repentance, which aims at the sacrament which get the grace, in the act of confessing, like baptism, p.s. once every three weeks, or every week is good enough, we are forgiven from the moment we determine to confess (if we do confess)
Eucharist- sick dying- denied real presence I Corr 10
confirmation- see cornellius
Holy Orders- see Hebrews, Timothy, Acts- Laying of hands, also Stephen
Marriage- I say onto you, moses allowed for circumstances, but man cannot divide what God hath combined- no devorce, except common law marriages…
Annointing- get the bishops to annoint them with oils…

I am a revert, I pray for you dear friend in Humanity, and brother in pain, at least stay here to read, or for your research use my web-site on the Catholic side- scripturelink.googlepages.com

search scripturelink.googlepages.com/search

All requirements are of love, see kindstuff.googlepages.com/(bibleonbaptism)
and kindstuff.googlepages.com/thecatholicequation

God bless, your (now separated) Brother in Christ,

Marc

 

[KephasAugustine]

That still doesnt make sense…keep him company for something He did once for all 2000 years ago? And in His Resurrected state He does not suffer, so why this line of thinking?

Apologies. Let me attempt clear this up.

Christ, being God, exists outside of time. In this sense, He is being crucified right now, 2000 years ago. There is no time with God, and this once-and-for-all sacrifice spans all of time (since God spans this much and more). At the Mass, Catholics believe that the crucifixion transcends time and allows them to love Christ and worship Him as He performs this act of ultimate love for all of us.

 

[Pax]

Your monarchical theistic and institutional view of God does not work for me. I’m glad that you have found God within the RCC.

I am however sorry to hear that you have absolutist view of salvation.

“I like your Christ, I do not like your Christians. Your Christians are so unlike your Christ.”

– Mahatma Gandhi

Food for thought.

Is Jesus not the Lord of lords and King of kings?

 

[KephasAugustine]

If it is of any interest–

scripturecatholic.com

 

[thecoach]

Apologies. Let me attempt clear this up.

Christ, being God, exists outside of time. In this sense, He is being crucified right now, 2000 years ago. There is no time with God, and this once-and-for-all sacrifice spans all of time (since God spans this much and more). At the Mass, Catholics believe that the crucifixion transcends time and allows them to love Christ and worship Him as He performs this act of ultimate love for all of us.

but that cocnept wouldnt be in line with the theology in Hebrews.

 

[Marc_Aupiais]

Cephas Augustine is right, try that one also- it is of use in quoting, p.s. what I described is perfect contrition, but even it requires confession if one get time.

 

[Marc_Aupiais]

One sacrifice, i.e. no longer need to kill animals for it, sounds right with Hebrews, p.s. you can’t expect any person here to accept anything you say with such a blatant anti-catholic link,

I would discount any word you say on site, before offering nothing but rebuttal and warning, your intention is clear, but why hijack another’s thread?

 

[KephasAugustine]

but that cocnept wouldnt be in line with the theology in Hebrews.

Can you give me chapter and verse, so I can look it over before responding? (sorry to contribute to the stereotype of Catholics not memorizing the Bible… )

Thanks.