I've officially left the Church

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I think you felt “choked” with regulations that you don’t fully understand because when you do, they are no longer a burden but part of a community plan in which everybody does his/her part towards a single goal.
Very perceptive. I experience only anxiety, fear and a frustration of never being able to live up to what the Church wants of me.

I cannot move beyond the rules, regulations, structure and imposed requirements in order to even start a relationship with God.

Once I had assured that I had done everything correctly according to what the magesterium demanded of m…I had no energy or will to seek out God. No longer, but for a couple of years, I suffered terribly from scruples.

This is the right decision for me and this is my path to seeking out Christ.
 
May God’s will be done as to this, but do not misquote scripture.
 
For OTP

Please seek the truth always, and Obey God as best you are able,
as to scruples, well, try my method of confession, once a while periodic, and confess by seven capital, or ten commandments, or such, the church is not purely regulations, but these are wondrous- as to coldness in God, try praying to saints- my favorites are MAry, AUgustine, St Aquinas, Filumena, and so many other Holy Exemplary essences.
 
One sacrifice, i.e. no longer need to kill animals for it, sounds right with Hebrews, p.s. you can’t expect any person here to accept anything you say with such a blatant anti-catholic link,:mad:

I would discount any word you say on site, before offering nothing but rebuttal and warning, your intention is clear, but why hijack another’s thread?🤷
it isnt anti-catholic…it is non-catholic.but if that so distracts you I can remove it…dont see how it matter though…either you can refute what I say or you cant.
 
I don’t see what’s so restrictive about Catholicism. You can do the minimum, or you an get all the benefits of the indulgences ( don’t believe in them)
I don’t necassarily agree with the poster you responded to but I have to point out a few things based on your responses. You say that you do not believe in indulgences. Okay, may I ask why? What evidence to the contrary has led you to this conclusion or is it simply a personal decision brought about based on your own personal opinion? Please help me to understand.
devotions, prayers, medallions (superstition, don’t believe in them)
Again, what led you to believe that prayer or devotion is a superstition? I can understand where you might be confused about religious medals (though if you’d like to correctly understand this issue I would be happy to explain why we have them) but I can hardly understand way you would see prayer as superstitious. How did you come to this decision?
statues ( adds nothing to my faith experience),
Well, there is nothing wrong with your position here and the Church does not require you to embrace any statue. Since statues are simply objects and not items to be worshiped, I don’t have issue with your position here.
saints ( don’t feel the need to pray to a middle man),
Again, it’s not a requirement for a Catholic to pray to a saint so there is no issue here either. However, having said that, my personal opinion on the matter is that if I can go to a brother or sister here on earth and ask them to pray for me, then I certainly can do no worse by going to a brother or sister already standing before the throne of God and ask them to pray for me.
archangels ( over emphasis on guardian angels and angels in general),
Really? How so? The Church sees angels as God’s messengers. Guardian angels are simply messengers assigned to each individual in the hope of guiding them toward the Truth of God. Angels (guardian and otherwise) see God. They speak to God. Why is it wrong to venerate them. They are worthy of standing before God. Should that not be respected? Can you point to a man or woman who is worthy of this? We see in Joshua 5:14 that he (Joshua) fell prostrate before an angel. Then we see that Daniel did the samething in Dan 8:17. Then again we find Tobiah and Tobit falling to the ground before the archangel Raphael in Tob 12:16. We do NOT worship angels nor do we hold them up as gods. They are servants to God. Yet they are holy and we know this because nothing unholy is in Heaven.
confession ( is my biggest issue, there is one mediator between God and man, Christ Jesus, if we confess our sins, he is faithful and just and will forgive us from every wrong doing),
Let’s go further with this since you have identified this issue as your largest issue against the Church. Let’s start by proving that Jesus Christ did in fact give His disciples the power to forgive sins. Please see John 20:19-23. You may notice that Jesus gives the authority to forgive and NOT TO FORGIVE. In order for one of the disciples to determine which sins to forgive and which sins not to forgive they must have needed to actually hear the sins… confessions. (On a side note, isn’t it awesome that this actually took place on Easter Sunday and that our God used breath to institute this authority? The only other time God used His breath on man was during the creation!!! One gave phyiscal life… one gives spiritual life!!! Praise God!)

If we look at 2 Cor 5:17-20 we find St. Paul explaining how the Apostles are ambassadors of Christ’s work of reconciliation (do you recognize the word reconciliation?). Next look at James 5:13-16. Here James makes clear that the sins of the sick are forgiven in this sacrament of annointing. He specifies that the presbyters (priests) must be called. They obviously have a power the ordinary Christian did not… the power to forgive sins. Look back for a moment at John 20:21. Please recall here that Christ says, “As the Father has sent me, so I send you.” Here the Apostles are to continue the mission of Christ. The essence of that mission is the forgiveness of sins. Finally, I’d like to point out one last thing. Catholics and protestants both agree that their clergy (ministers) can be used by God as instruments in physical healing. Why then is it so hard to believe that God would use them for spiritual healing as well? To forgive sins. Which is more important?
Mass ( don’t believe in the real presence, Mass brings me no closer to God)
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Well, my brother then you simple deny scripture. It cannot be anymore plain. Before responding to this post, please read the entire chapter of John 6. Then read the following:
Mk 14-22-24
1 Cor 10:14-17
1 Cor 11:23-29
Mt 26:26-28
Lk 22:17-20
Lk 24:30-35

Once you have read those verses turn to Jn 4:31-34 and then Mt 16:5-12. Both of these verses describe Jesus speaking about food in a symbolic sense. The disciples believed that he was speaking of real food, but Jesus shows them in plain, unmistakable language that He is only speaking figuratively. Now compare this with Jn 6:51. Jesus says we must eat His flesh in order to have life. In Jn 6:52, the Jews interpret Him literally. Jesus then repeats again and again (verses 53-56), in the clearest possible language, that we must eat His flesh and drink His blood in order to have eternal life. Take special note of verse 55: “my flesh is true food and my blood true drink.” This is NOT the language of symbolism. Furthermore, I find it rather interesting that we find that Judas also didn’t believe in the Eucharist (look at the last 2 verses in Jn 6).

Now look at 1 Cor 11:27 and please explain how one can sin by eating and drinking unworthily of something that isn’t real? St. Paul says, "whoever eats the bread or drinks the cup of the Lord unworthily sins against the body and blood of the Lord. If this is all symbolic how can the result then be sinful?

Lastily, I say this… It wasn’t until the reformation that this was even an issue. Up until that time, no one (I’m sure that there were one or two but no one by enlarge) claimed this to be symbolic. So, why is this rather new concept even being thrown out there?

I’ll close my argument by suggesting an extremely interesting book that you may find absolutely fascinating. Eucharistic Miracles by Joan Cruz.

God bless and I hope that I have helped to shed some amount of light on your concerns with the Church. Please let me know if I can help explain further.
 
Dear onetimeposter,
I used to suffer terribly from scruples and made much use of confession.
I waver between scruples and actual sin. Either way, I stand in need of spiritual help and healing. To my mind, the worst thing I could do would be to completely walk away from the Sacrament of Confession. Sometimes I find it helps to pray that Divine Providence guide me to the right priest in Confession, and also to pray that my favorite patron saints as well as my guardian angel come in to the confessional with me so I don’t have to go in there feeling alone.

Can I ask you a favor, how about each one of us says a Divine Mercy Chaplet for the other?
God and the freedom to pursue a relationship with God in a place of worship where I am not faced with constant distraction of always failing to meet the impose requirements of the institution.
Being human, I know I fail to perfectly meet the requirements of the Church. Seems to me we’re pretty much all in the same boat.

As for worshipping God, yes, for Catholics it is an obligation on Sundays and Holy Days. That said, just on a personal note, it seems to me that we worshippers actually get the better end of the bargain, because God blesses us infinitely more than we could ever hope to repay Him. Sunday and the opportunity for daily Mass attendance seems to me much more for our benefit than it is for the Lord’s, as we are the ones in need that God loves to help, and He is never outdone in generosity.
I don’t believe in the real presence. To remain a Catholic, or call myself a Catholic and attend at Easter and Christmas…would be hypocritical, unfair to me and unfair to the RCC.
Have you ever visited a Perpetual Eucharistic Adoration Chapel, and if not, may I ask you to make a visit?

~~ the phoenix
 
catholicculture.org/reviews/view.cfm?recnum=1899

Please do remove it- just say you aren’t catholic, it would aid the debate.👍
I actually looked at his site, read around, and found it filled with misconceptions about the Church’s teachings, conflicting translations (with itself as well as with Catholic teachings), and ignorant attacks against Catholic beliefs…that doesn’t offend me; in fact, it strengthens my faith to see that such gross misconceptions are the only reason people dislike our faith.

“There are not more than 100 people in the world who truly hate the Catholic Church, but there are millions who hate what they perceive to be the Catholic Church.”
Fulton Sheen
 
Which “requirements” did you have trouble with?

I agree that Christ’s sacrifice is perfect. We just have to say “yes” and persevere to the end.
Catholic doctrine of salvation
Confession ( caused me horrible stress and anxiety…you have no idea and I no longer believe it is even necessary)
Marriage only within the Church
Weekly Mass or mortal sin
Fasting
Mass on special occasions
Infallibility of the Church faith and morals
Papal infallibility
Indulgences
Praying to the Saints
Praying to Mary
Belief in the doctrine surrounding Mary ( especially assumption)
Belief that the institution of the RCC is a requirement of salvation.
Belief that salvation was intended to be institutionalized
All the statues everywhere
Medallions, Saint Statues etc…

It just seems so loud to me…I can’t focus on Christ.
 
I actually looked at his site, read around, and found it filled with misconceptions about the Church’s teachings, conflicting translations (with itself as well as with Catholic teachings), and ignorant attacks against Catholic beliefs…that doesn’t offend me; in fact, it strengthens my faith to see that such gross misconceptions are the only reason people dislike our faith.

“There are not more than 100 people in the world who truly hate the Catholic Church, but there are millions who hate what they perceive to be the Catholic Church.”
Fulton Sheen
I didnt think a Catholic WOULD agree with whats on the site…but its a great site
 
I agree that Christ’s sacrifice is perfect. We just have to say “yes” and persevere to the end.
That’s just it, you can’t just say yes in the RCC. You must meet the requirements of the Church.

If it was a simple as saying Yes to Christ…why on earth would I leave?

There is way more than saying yes in the RCC.
 
You made your decision. What do you care who agrees with it?
Fair question…

My ego I suppose.

In fairness to me, I did not expect this strong reaction. I was simply sharing my decision with others. I thought that this thread was filled with non-Catholics… I guess not.
 
I spent 24 years as a Protestant, Baptist to be exact. I always felt hollow and every church i went to seemed superficial. Nothing seemed right. Of course I was trained/brainwashed to believe the Catholic church was the root of all evil. Luckily I broke through that…Yes Catholicism is hard but I feel like getting to heaven shouldn’t be easy as stated in the bible that someone mentioned before. The Catholic Church had her faults, especially in history. I will not deny it, but she is Christ’s Church. The only faults were caused by human error and sin not by Christ. Every protestant church I have been a part of def. has faults!! I found home and I’m not going to run away scared just b/c I find things a little difficult. Confession is my hardest hurdle but I have been doing much better.

After being Catholic I can’t imagine why I ever was protestant. They are fooling themselves in my opinion. But Christ loves all of his followers even the ones wandering out of the fold.
God bless you Carolinagirl. 👍
 
Well, the others follow from the last one, which isn’t even RCC belief. They believe that people outside the RCC can be saved as well.
Outside the Church there is no salvation.

This applies to me…a baptized RC.

You assumed that I was speaking of everyone outside the Church…I was speaking only of Catholics.

I understand and am knowledgeable of the Church’s position on the salvation of those outside the Church and the non-Christians.

God see’s into our hearts…no one is excluded from the promises of Christ. A higher burden is placed upon RC’s.

Why does everyone think that I know nothing?
 
Outside the Church there is no salvation.

This applies to me…a baptized RC.

You assumed that I was speaking of everyone outside the Church…I was speaking only of Catholics.

I understand and am knowledgeable of the Church’s position on the salvation of those outside the Church and the non-Christians.

God see’s into our hearts…no one is excluded from the promises of Christ. A higher burden is placed upon RC’s.

Why does everyone think that I know nothing?
thats the usual MO im afraid
 
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