I've officially left the Church

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I rely on the word of a holy book.

You do realize that you rely on a Catholic Tradition (the Canon of Scripture), as veteran apologist Patrick Madrid says “There is no inspired table of contents.” It was the Catholic Church that determined the Canon

If its wrong to question the scripture’s interpreations, then I am wronging constantly.
If the Scripture interprets itself then why are there tens of thousands of denominations? Why don’t Protestants agree on Baptism and Holy Communion? Why do some Protestants say you must speak in tongues to be Baptised with the Holy Spirit and others who say that you must “accept Christ as your personal Savior” to receive the same Baptism? The point is, it is ok to question int
 
But why would a once for all sacrifice be perpetuated. That is going in opposition to what God’s Word says in Hebrews. I am not trying to be difficult, I just cant reconcile the two.
Roughly speaking, calling the sacrifice “perpetuated” is equivalent to calling it “once for all”.
 
I rely on the word of a holy book.

You do realize that you rely on a Catholic Tradition (the Canon of Scripture), as veteran apologist Patrick Madrid says “There is no inspired table of contents.” It was the Catholic Church that determined the Canon

If its wrong to question the scripture’s interpreations, then I am wronging constantly.
If the Scripture interprets itself then why are there tens of thousands of denominations? Why don’t Protestants agree on Baptism and Holy Communion? Why do some Protestants say you must speak in tongues to be Baptised with the Holy Spirit and others who say that you must “accept Christ as your personal Savior” to receive the same Baptism? The point is, it is ok to question, if you are open to looking objectively at the Church who determined the Tradition of the Canon of Scripture you are using.
 
If a pope once said its alright to do indulgence, then it be wrong, isn’t that showing he isn’t infallible?
You shouldn’t believe everything you read on the internet. The Roman Catholic Church does not teach that the pope is infallible, but rather that every ex cathedra statement made by the pope is infallible.
 
If the Scripture interprets itself then why are there tens of thousands of denominations? Why don’t Protestants agree on Baptism and Holy Communion? Why do some Protestants say you must speak in tongues to be Baptised with the Holy Spirit and others who say that you must “accept Christ as your personal Savior” to receive the same Baptism? The point is, it is ok to question, if you are open to looking objectively at the Church who determined the Tradition of the Canon of Scripture you are using.
and I stated that I am willing to look at how Catholocism views it…

I do not know, just because I am a Protestant doesn’t mean I made the thousands of denominations, even though you might think I should.

Some of the reasons I am not a Catholic right now is:
  1. Lack of decent respect to others (not all of you, but some just seem to out-right hate or dis-respect Protestants, yes this is true, I am not lying, and you know, some Protestants are probably the same way, but that doesn’t justify it)
  2. My lack of knowledge (I will not join something if I do not know as much about it as I can before hand)
 
Just curious, but isn’t that assuming the CoC elected a truly godly man? Could they have made a mistake in any of their choices? If they did make a mistake, wouldn’t that mean that that particular pope isn’t infallible? Not trying to rude; just something I was curious about.
There have been popes who were downright evil men. Some kept mistresses. That is not prevented by the infallibilty. What is prevented is these evil popes teaching errors in faith and morals. These popes with mistresses never said it was ok for the pope to do that. Compair it to a secular king who might write it into law.
 
There have been popes who were downright evil men. Some kept mistresses. That is not prevented by the infallibilty. What is prevented is these evil popes teaching errors in faith and morals. These popes with mistresses never said it was ok for the pope to do that. Compair it to a secular king who might write it into law.
Gotcha. But what about the ex cathedra (is that right) proclomations he makes? Would his actions make those invalid, or do they still stand since he was elected as a successor of peter?
 
That’s just not true. God doesn’t have favorites. By using your logic, the rest of us just don’t matter. That is putting people on a pedestal, and that isn’t right.
Of course we all matter. We are all different parts of the body. The priests are the ears - they can hear God. But hearing is no good without doing - some of us are hands that give and make and build, and others are feet that travel to different places, bringing God’s word to people who haven’t heard it before, etc. We are all different, and we are all important.

But we shouldn’t throw away the ears, or make them deaf, just because the hands don’t feel important enough. Right?
 
Of course we all matter. We are all different parts of the body. The priests are the ears - they can hear God. But hearing is no good without doing - some of us are hands that give and make and build, and others are feet that travel to different places, bringing God’s word to people who haven’t heard it before, etc. We are all different, and we are all important.

But we shouldn’t throw away the ears, or make them deaf, just because the hands don’t feel important enough. Right?
I agree 100%. Straight our of Corinthians. We just disagree on who the ears may be. But hey, I’ll take that.
 
You shouldn’t believe everything you read on the internet. The Roman Catholic Church does not teach that the pope is infallible, but rather that every ex cathedra statement made by the pope is infallible.
Thank you for that very clear and simple explanation. 🙂
 
Gotcha. But what about the ex cathedra (is that right) proclomations he makes? Would his actions make those invalid, or do they still stand since he was elected as a successor of peter?
No more than the fact that a judge does something illegal would cause his rulings in court to become invalid.
 
According to your threads you dont meet the criteria to officially leave the Church. You only think you did or feel you did. You have just seperated yourself from the body of Jesus Christ unofficially.

Besides not everyone who calls the Lord, Lord will enter into heaven. For when the day comes, Jesus will say to those, depart from me you evil doers; and the angels will seperate those on his left from those on his right. Like Jesus says, One will be taken and one will be left. It is your God given will to choose life or death. In any case your immediate decision if you hold to it until death will bring the Word of Lord to pass.

Pride will blind one from seeing the Truth, may God grant us extended days inorder to repent from our pride that seperates us from God. IF you leave the Church in Peace, and according to the precepts for one to follow inorder to leave the body of Jesus and become antichrist, then I will believe you have left the Church. It’s like the JW’s who come around the Catholic church wanting to reject their baptism in the Catholic faith. Sorry, what God has joined no man, not even the Pope can seperate us from God who loves us.

So go out, take what was inherited to you, and reject your home for the time, until pride has run its course. The Catholic church will always be here to receive you as her own in Love, no matter how much you reject her. My prayer for you will be, that you never stop searching for truth; for you will always find the fullness of Truth in the body of Jesus Christ, his One Holy Catholic Apostolic church.

Peace be with you
 
Gotcha. But what about the ex cathedra (is that right) proclomations he makes? Would his actions make those invalid, or do they still stand since he was elected as a successor of peter?
No. First of all, there have only been a relative handfull of ex cathedra statements made. IN the nearly 2000 year history of the Church, there have been between 3 and a few thousand, depending on how you count them (not important). Next, if the Church limited any positions to saints, we would have vanished years ago from lack of leadership. If we were limited to only those who never sinned, the Church ended with Christ ascending into heaven.

Think about it like the president of the USA. Even if he is impeached, laws that he signed stay in effect. What we beleive, and it is based on scripture, is that either the Holy Spirit leads him to speak or the Holy Spirit keeps his mouth shut.
 
No more than the fact that a judge does something illegal would cause his rulings in court to become invalid.
So, does the rcc throw his pronouncements out?

Note: I am being extremely sincere here. I am enjoying this very much.
 
According to your threads you dont meet the criteria to officially leave the Church. You only think you did or feel you did. You have just seperated yourself from the body of Jesus Christ unofficially.

Besides not everyone who calls the Lord, Lord will enter into heaven. For when the day comes, Jesus will say to those, depart from me you evil doers; and the angels will seperate those on his left from those on his right. Like Jesus says, One will be taken and one will be left. It is your God given will to choose life or death. In any case your immediate decision if you hold to it until death will bring the Word of Lord to pass.

Pride will blind one from seeing the Truth, may God grant us extended days inorder to repent from our pride that seperates us from God. IF you leave the Church in Peace, and according to the precepts for one to follow inorder to leave the body of Jesus and become antichrist, then I will believe you have left the Church. It’s like the JW’s who come around the Catholic church wanting to reject their baptism in the Catholic faith. Sorry, what God has joined no man, not even the Pope can seperate us from God who loves us.

So go out, take what was inherited to you, and reject your home for the time, until pride has run its course. The Catholic church will always be here to receive you as her own in Love, no matter how much you reject her. My prayer for you will be, that you never stop searching for truth; for you will always find the fullness of Truth in the body of Jesus Christ, his One Holy Catholic Apostolic church.

Peace be with you
You can write the Bishop a letter and formally reject the Catholic faith. The Church will note your defection. Theologically speaking, I don’t think you can un-become Catholic, because you can’t undo the ontological change from Baptism or Confirmation. You can be a really bad Catholic with your formal defection noted by the Bishop, but you will remain Catholic ad aeternum.
 
You can write the Bishop a letter and formally reject the Catholic faith. The Church will note your defection. Theologically speaking, I don’t think you can un-become Catholic, because you can’t undo the ontological change from Baptism or Confirmation. You can be a really bad Catholic with your formal defection noted by the Bishop, but you will remain Catholic ad aeternum.
Exactly that is why I made this comment in my earlier post:

" It’s like the JW’s who come around the Catholic church wanting to reject their baptism in the Catholic faith. Sorry, what God has joined no man, not even the Pope can seperate us from God who loves us".
 
So, does the rcc throw his pronouncements out?

Note: I am being extremely sincere here. I am enjoying this very much.
No, not as far as I’m aware.

Ex cathedra declarations are pretty rare, but I’d imagine that they’d remain binding. The point of the whole infallible doctrine is that if the Pope defines a doctrine ex cathedra, the Holy Sprit protects it from error. I wouldn’t think that that definition would be invalidated by what the Pope does outside of that pronouncement.

Now, if you’re going from the viewpoint that the Pope himself isn’t actually Pope, as what a sedevacantist might believe, then if that were true that would likely be a whole different can of worms. I do know that there is a current ban on the discussion of those believers, though, so I’m not sure we can discuss it here.
 
Exactly that is why I made this comment in my earlier post:

" It’s like the JW’s who come around the Catholic church wanting to reject their baptism in the Catholic faith. Sorry, what God has joined no man, not even the Pope can seperate us from God who loves us".
Kinda like the Hotel California. When I became a Mason they tried to tell me the same thing. Once a Mason, always a Mason. Maybe they think so but it ain’t true because I control what organizations I belong to not the other way around. And no magic happens when one becomes Catholic.
 
I don’t believe in the real presence…not even a bit…just admitted that to myself about a month ago.
I have heard this before, can you please tell me what are these ¨rules and regulations¨that made you feel so overburdened? If anything Catholics have less rules than their Protestant brothers and sisters. Can´t smoke, cant drink, women can´t wear pants, blah blah blah. Could you give me a list and how they so overburdened you? All I can think of is going to Confession twice a year? Is that a burden to you? Maybe its because I grew up as a Post Vatican II Catholic. But I just dont get this statement. Glad you happy in your new religion. But I have a personal relationship with Christ and I will never believe that he was a liar when he said you must eat my flesh and drink my blood. Nor do I believe that the very men who learned from the apostles and whose writings exist to this day, were liars when they talk about the Eucharist being the very body and blood of Jesus Christ. That my friend is a personal relationship.
 
No, not as far as I’m aware.

Ex cathedra declarations are pretty rare, but I’d imagine that they’d remain binding. The point of the whole infallible doctrine is that if the Pope defines a doctrine ex cathedra, the Holy Sprit protects it from error. I wouldn’t think that that definition would be invalidated by what the Pope does outside of that pronouncement.

Now, if you’re going from the viewpoint that the Pope himself isn’t actually Pope, as what a sedevacantist might believe, then if that were true that would likely be a whole different can of worms. I do know that there is a current ban on the discussion of those believers, though, so I’m not sure we can discuss it here.
It really isn’t worth discussing because it is not true.

The rest of your post is correct.
 
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