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Thanks, leather Couch.

To the OP:

Ask Jesus to come into your heart, your life. He can change you, he can heal you. He loves you so much. He would be willing to suffer all over again just for you. He is our joy, our freedom our peace. Only He can completely fulfill our need for love and affection. Read the Bible. Start with John 3:16. He is what you are seeking, he is what we are all seeking.
Ask His Holy Spirit to guide you. God bless you. Ask God to send the right people to you to counsel you. Talk to a good, holy priest. Make a good confession and you will feel like a brand new person.

God loves you where you are at and will help you fulfill your noble destiny.
 
Hi Phil,

Sin affects everyone - not just the person(s) involved.

God wishes to use us in His plan of redemption; the graces that He gives us - and desires to give us - are for the salvation of souls, which are immeasurably valuable to God.

Spend some time in Adoration, spiritual reading and prayer. Ask God for a deep faith. If you want it, He will give it to you. There is no shortage of brilliant philosophy and theology defending Church doctrine; but you have to look for it.

The Catholic Education Resource Center (CERC) website has some excellent resources on a number of Catholic issues, doctrines etc.

catholiceducation.org/en/

One last recommendation: ***read the lives of the Saints. ***I cannot tell you how valuable this is; it will lift your spirits, educate you, inspire you, and strengthen your faith. All of the Saints would agree. St. Philip Neri explicitly states that we should read the lives of the Saints. They have suffered much for the love of God, but they are now in the Kingdom of Heaven. If we follow their example, we will see them there - perhaps sooner than we expect.

God bless.
 
I don’t really have much to add here because most of it has been said and I am only 18. BUT, I do want to make a tiny pitch here.

Look man, I understand that you are struggling. Everyone struggles with their faith at some time, and I’d be lying if I said I have never thought about just saying “I’m done with this!” But in my own life, every time that I have gotten close to that point, God has brought me back off the ledge.I think that in the bottom of your heart, you will feel a little guilty of what you’ve said, and you will realize you were probably just talking out of anger.

If not, and you honestly feel no guilt at all, then I will pray for you. (I am going to pray for you anyway if that is ok)
I wish I had your wisdom at 18; sadly, it took me over 5 decades to accept what you already know. God Bless you! 👍
 
For the OP to state that he fully intends to profane the Eucharist and to encourage others to do the same is a very serious matter.

Firstly, if one commits sacrilege in full knowledge that this is what you are doing, scripture says that you will in fact bring judgement on yourself.

Secondly, Jesus had grave words for those who by word or action led His ‘little ones’ i.e. the faithful, to sin. It involved a millstone and the sea.

It is clear that the root of the OP’s tirade is pride which gives rise to rebellion. It is the prideful boast that “I make the rules” and “I know best” not God. Foolish and childish but sadly not uncommon. Thankfully the Lord is most merciful.

The OP may want to reflect on the above before he does something foolish. God will not be mocked.
 
Sounds like you really did snap … got tired of fighting … wanted a vacation … and said “I quit”. Yes it is hard to love Jesus when things get tough, and it is a real temptation to just want to throw away your cross. Because at first, being free of the weight feels so good, and the freedom seems even better, with no nagging thoughts. All is at peace and no more worry. We know where we are at and for the moment it feels delightful to ditch the struggle.

But down the road …
 
Dear all,

Firstly I would like to apologise for encouraging you to follow my example. I should never seek to lead anyone astray no matter what I am feeling inside.

I have been moved by the generosity of some of your replies to what was a very angry OP. There is no excuse for what I wrote, but it was written in the middle of a very low point when I was feeling very angry and upset. I thank those of you, who prayed for me, and if I could be so bold, I would ask you to continue to pray for me.

Your kind comments made me ashamed of what I wrote. I forgot that our Lord Jesus Christ was tempted in every way that we are, and remained without sin. Even more than that, he allowed himself to be taken prisoner, scourged, mocked and put to death in the most agonising fashion whilst all the while praying for sinners. To quote Isaiah “and through his wounds we are healed.”.

My faith is very weak. I haven’t been to mass for months, and to be honest I am now nervous about returning to the same church and having to explain to people where I have been. Even when I was attending mass, I did not pray on a regular basis because I don’t know how to. I end up saying some set prayers like Hail Holy Queen, the Our Father, Hail Mary and the Apostles Creed, then just kind of reel off a wish list which I’m sure is not how it’s supposed to work. Then when the things on the list don’t happen, I start to question if my prayers are being listened to which is completely unfair on my part. Any advice on how to pray properly would be appreciated.

Also when I think about the universe and our faith, I find myself beginning to question whether or not I really believe it. I want to believe, but it all seems so implausible. Saying that, I have been unable to think of a more plausible explanation myself. When I am attending mass regularly I try not to think about if I believe or not and just accept it. “happy are those who believe and have not seen” and all that. But inevitably, something crops up to keep me away from mass one week, and during the course of the following week, all these doubts surface and I "fall off the wagon " and will probably then stay away from Church until Christmas or Easter when I am inevitably drawn back in. I wish I had the faith to attend regularly all year round. Perhaps if I learned to pray, that would help me. I tend to read the Bible and am quite knowledgeable on the texts but I’d happily exchange all that knowledge for an ounce more faith.

Finally on the topic of mortal sin, that someone mentioned. I am confused by it all. Because through a previous thread on this forum, I decided to stop receiving the Eucharist until I had confessed my sin of masturbation and non procreatal sex with my wife. I was in a difficult situation because my wife was threatening to leave me if I insisted on only having sex that was open to procreation. So it seemed to me that I was going to go against the church no matter what I did. I went to see my Parish priest for advice, and he told me that my marriage was the most important thing, and if certain church teachings were harming my marriage, then I had to question whether those teachings were right for me. Furthermore he told me that it is virtually impossible to commit a mortal sin, as for a sin to be mortal, it had to be considered grave, committed with knowledge of it’s seriousness and committed with the deliberate intent of hurting God, even if all those conditions were met, there would be reasons that drove you to that in the first place that would mitigate it. So he encouraged me to always receive the Eucharist no matter what. But people here seem to have different views on the matter.

Sorry for boring you all with this long post. But if anyone could offer me advice on any of the above, then please do.
 
Dear all,

Firstly I would like to apologise for encouraging you to follow my example. I should never seek to lead anyone astray no matter what I am feeling inside.

I have been moved by the generosity of some of your replies to what was a very angry OP. There is no excuse for what I wrote, but it was written in the middle of a very low point when I was feeling very angry and upset. I thank those of you, who prayed for me, and if I could be so bold, I would ask you to continue to pray for me.
You bet Phil. You got it.
Your kind comments made me ashamed of what I wrote. I forgot that our Lord Jesus Christ was tempted in every way that we are, and remained without sin. Even more than that, he allowed himself to be taken prisoner, scourged, mocked and put to death in the most agonising fashion whilst all the while praying for sinners. To quote Isaiah “and through his wounds we are healed.”.

My faith is very weak. I haven’t been to mass for months, and to be honest I am now nervous about returning to the same church and having to explain to people where I have been. Even when I was attending mass, I did not pray on a regular basis because I don’t know how to. I end up saying some set prayers like Hail Holy Queen, the Our Father, Hail Mary and the Apostles Creed, then just kind of reel off a wish list which I’m sure is not how it’s supposed to work. Then when the things on the list don’t happen, I start to question if my prayers are being listened to which is completely unfair on my part. Any advice on how to pray properly would be appreciated.
Well that’s pretty much where I’m at too. I mean I don’t have a big list of fancy prayers to say. The rosary’s all I’ve really got on that score. So yeah. I know where you’re at with this.

As far as going to Mass and its frequency. Look, I’ve been on that ride too. The thing is that most people don’t ask where you’ve been. I mean unless you’re used to making a big entrance each time or you’ve got a bunch of buddies there most people will just assume you went to a different Mass time. Or something.
Also when I think about the universe and our faith, I find myself beginning to question whether or not I really believe it. I want to believe, but it all seems so implausible. Saying that, I have been unable to think of a more plausible explanation myself. When I am attending mass regularly I try not to think about if I believe or not and just accept it. “happy are those who believe and have not seen” and all that. But inevitably, something crops up to keep me away from mass one week, and during the course of the following week, all these doubts surface and I "fall off the wagon " and will probably then stay away from Church until Christmas or Easter when I am inevitably drawn back in. I wish I had the faith to attend regularly all year round. Perhaps if I learned to pray, that would help me. I tend to read the Bible and am quite knowledgeable on the texts but I’d happily exchange all that knowledge for an ounce more faith.
That’s a tough place to be. But I think a lot of us have gotten there when we try to over-intellectualize our faith. I mean it’s sort of like trying to intellectualize the love you have for your wife. Sometimes that’s not the way to get the heart involved.
Finally on the topic of mortal sin, that someone mentioned. I am confused by it all. Because through a previous thread on this forum, I decided to stop receiving the Eucharist until I had confessed my sin of masturbation and non procreatal sex with my wife. I was in a difficult situation because my wife was threatening to leave me if I insisted on only having sex that was open to procreation. So it seemed to me that I was going to go against the church no matter what I did. I went to see my Parish priest for advice, and he told me that my marriage was the most important thing, and if certain church teachings were harming my marriage, then I had to question whether those teachings were right for me. Furthermore he told me that it is virtually impossible to commit a mortal sin, as for a sin to be mortal, it had to be considered grave, committed with knowledge of it’s seriousness and committed with the deliberate intent of hurting God, even if all those conditions were met, there would be reasons that drove you to that in the first place that would mitigate it. So he encouraged me to always receive the Eucharist no matter what. But people here seem to have different views on the matter.
Yeah man. I read that other post. I think you’re in the clear on this one. You’re at the very least not in the mortal category. I think you fall in line with those who use contraceptives for health reasons. Because having a good marriage is a matter of health. And safety really.
Sorry for boring you all with this long post. But if anyone could offer me advice on any of the above, then please do.
An honest comment is never a dull thing. You’re our brother. We care about where you’re at. And we love you to pieces.

Peace Phil. And thanks for giving us an update. We were worried about you!

-Trident
 
Phil-

We all go through rough patches. I will most definitely be praying for you.

Dee
 
It doesn’t sound correct to rationalize disobedience to the Church’s directives on morals so as to make your spouse happy.
 
It doesn’t sound correct to rationalize disobedience to the Church’s directives on morals so as to make your spouse happy.
What’s the alternative though Dorothy, get divorced? How does that fit with Church directives? Do you seriously think it’s God’s will to separate couples?
 
@Phil
We all have our rough patches in life so have heart. God is WAY bigger than any sin you could ever commit and His mercy endures forever.

I’d like to address your request for recommendations on prayer.

You don’t have to recite traditional prayers. Prayer is a communion of sorts between you and God. He already knows what’s in your heart so you can relax and try to listen to Him for a change. At first, you may not hear Him; give it some time and know, truly know, He’s always there and always waiting for our “yes”. Yes to loving God. Yes to loving others. And, very important, yes to loving yourself. When we sin, sometimes we think “God can never love me!” and that’s when His Love is the greatest. He wants to give you His love and we call it “grace.” Grace flows from God to us via many things but most especially the sacraments. God doesn’t withhold grace; we tend to refuse it. When we have trouble praying, it’s indicative of our unwillingness to let God’s grace flow into us as He wants. Remember always, God loves you and wants you to be in communion with Him.

Seek God in all way and always. God Bless you. 👍
 
It doesn’t sound correct to rationalize disobedience to the Church’s directives on morals so as to make your spouse happy.
I think if you read back on this (other threads) our buddy Phil is kind of in a unique spot. It’s a tough road for sure. But I’m leaving the final say up to God. I’ve got to believe He’s got enough mercy to spare on this.

Otherwise I’m in big trouble too.

Peace Dorothy.

-Trident
 
@Phil
We all have our rough patches in life so have heart. God is WAY bigger than any sin you could ever commit and His mercy endures forever.

I’d like to address your request for recommendations on prayer.

You don’t have to recite traditional prayers. Prayer is a communion of sorts between you and God. He already knows what’s in your heart so you can relax and try to listen to Him for a change. At first, you may not hear Him; give it some time and know, truly know, He’s always there and always waiting for our “yes”. Yes to loving God. Yes to loving others. And, very important, yes to loving yourself. When we sin, sometimes we think “God can never love me!” and that’s when His Love is the greatest. He wants to give you His love and we call it “grace.” Grace flows from God to us via many things but most especially the sacraments. God doesn’t withhold grace; we tend to refuse it. When we have trouble praying, it’s indicative of our unwillingness to let God’s grace flow into us as He wants. Remember always, God loves you and wants you to be in communion with Him.

Seek God in all way and always. God Bless you. 👍
Thank you very much for this advice. I will try this.
 
What’s the alternative though Dorothy, get divorced? How does that fit with Church directives? Do you seriously think it’s God’s will to separate couples?
No, the alternative is not divorce. Of course the Lord does not want to separate couples. His grace is available to practice NFP if necessary.
 
What’s the alternative though Dorothy, get divorced? How does that fit with Church directives? Do you seriously think it’s God’s will to separate couples?
If I may, consider what you and your wife find so attractive to sex without the possibility of conception. Is it purely the physical sensation? If so, anything and anyone can duplicate that sensation. God gave married couples the marital act so that they have another form of communion (there’s that word again!) with each other. Married couples aren’t “one” while copulating, they are “one” in mind and spirit as well. I think I have a pretty good sex life with my wife but I don’t think I have sex with her more than I converse with her or attend Bible study with her. The point is, sex is just a small piece of marriage. The core of any marriage is Christ and our goal is to live a holy (married) life hence why marriage is considered a sacrament of service same as the priesthood.

So, if Christ is our example of how to live a holy life, we can be assured sex is not the key to holiness but is a gift to the married couple so that their union is open to the possibility of procreating a child of God. The goal of sex is not to conceive children every time we have sex but we must limit our actions so as to NOT eliminate the possibility. This would honor the gift that it is as well as honor the One Who gave us this gift.

Does that help?
 
Your kind comments made me ashamed of what I wrote. I forgot that our Lord Jesus Christ was tempted in every way that we are, and remained without sin. Even more than that, he allowed himself to be taken prisoner, scourged, mocked and put to death in the most agonising fashion whilst all the while praying for sinners. To quote Isaiah “and through his wounds we are healed.”.
No need to be ashamed. You wrote what you believed to be true, from your heart, at the time. That gives you “authorship” (the original meaning of the term “authority” as in how Jesus amazed them in the temple rather than just trying to learn to parrot the scripture) over what you say.

I appreciate your retracting suggesting others to do the same.

As far as the Catholic stereotype of being overly concerned over sexual sins, honestly Jesus did a whole lot more to protect those who had lustful sins from those who were supposedly “righteous” than anything else. The adulteress in the parable neither asked for nor received forgiveness for a sin she did not commit. Jesus simply failed to condemn her, making even forgiveness unnecessary. Only in the face of judgment and condemnation does anyone need forgiveness. If you had been scolded by a “church authority” for suspicion of having (gasp) masturbated or doing “non-procreative sex acts” with your wife (btw “unitive” is also an allowed mode) Jesus would have been the first one to point out how you are honest compared to them.

Jesus taught us that the Eucharist was His Body. I don’t know that he spent a lot of time preaching about masturbation and sexual sins. He really wasn’t the moralistic tyrant that some Very Concerned Catholics wish or even believe He was.
My faith is very weak. I haven’t been to mass for months, and to be honest I am now nervous about returning to the same church and having to explain to people where I have been.
Dude if anybody expects an explanation from you, you can tell them, “yes I was away for a while and I’m glad to be back.” You don’t owe anybody any explanation, although technically you should confess having missed Mass before you go to the Eucharist. I do not judge your opinions on what you and your wife do in private, so I have no opinion on that part of it vis-à-vis confessing it.
Even when I was attending mass, I did not pray on a regular basis because I don’t know how to. I end up saying some set prayers like Hail Holy Queen, the Our Father, Hail Mary and the Apostles Creed, then just kind of reel off a wish list which I’m sure is not how it’s supposed to work. Then when the things on the list don’t happen, I start to question if my prayers are being listened to which is completely unfair on my part. Any advice on how to pray properly would be appreciated.
It sounds like you have been sold “Churchianity” in place of “Christianity”. There is no requirement for you to be an expert at praying. In fact, most Catholics don’t even realize that the most “advanced” form of praying is contemplative, and is completely silent. If you want to read about that, check out CCC 2700-2724 on “expressions of prayer.”

Also you might benefit from a simple, straightforward book on Catholic prayer, written by a Jesuit and used as a text for my son’s intro to prayer class at Kenrick-Glennon Seminary a couple years ago. It is easy to read, and covers prayers starting from 1) talking at God, through 2) talking to God, through 3) listening to God, and 4) Being with God.

It even has an audible version narrated by the author! 🙂

Armchair Mystic: Easing Into Contemplative Prayer Paperback – April 1, 2001
by Mark E. Thibodeaux S.J. (Author)


It also has a wonderful section on distractions and how to deal with them. The short answer is there is no “wrong” way to pray. That said, I’m a 56 year old active Cradle Catholic, and frankly I don’t care about saying the Rosary. And you know what? I don’t have to because these are all optional devotions. I’ve taken verbal abuse from others who tell me how non-Catholic I am, or how I’m disobeying “our Lady” and other outrageous claims because they think everybody has to look and be the same. You pray how you want to, and don’t let any More Catholic Than You people intimidate you. You owe nobody an explanation, although I recommend establishing a relationship with your pastor where you can talk to him about things outside of the confessional. I’ve had two pastors like that, and one I couldn’t so it’s about personalities. Funny thing – people who shunned me and thought I was crazy, suddenly now with a son in seminary they change their whole demeanor toward me. And I’m talking about people in positions of power in the diocese. Don’t judge yourself by their pretentious behavior or their holy demeanor.

Good luck, and I see your humility and vulnerability in writing these things.
I’d write more but I need to log off for now so I’ll leave it here for a while.
 
Mass, Confession, Adoration, Rosary.

These will keep you close to the Lord. Don’t just go to Mass on Sunday. Go midweek also. The Eucharist is our food, fuel and medicine.

If you struggle in an area of your life bring it to the Lord in confession. He understands you and wants to help you. More than you want even to help yourself.

Adore the Lord in the Eucharist; He will pour out His graces on you.

Pray the Rosary daily. Ask Our Lady for help. She as a mother and spouse will help.

Following Christ is sometimes hard, very hard. For all of us. But it is just then that we have an opportunity to show God how much we love Him; when it costs or may cost us dear. This is a privilege. The key is obedience, humility, trust and faithfulness/perseverance. Try to see things on a supernatural rather than a merely natural level. Abandon yourself to God’s will.

Prayer is hard. Tell the Lord how hard you find it. Let that be your prayer. Ask Him to help you. Sitting before the Blessed Sacrament is prayer; just being there is prayer. You don’t have to do or say anything. Try it.

The fact that you are even concerned to bother about the things you have raised shows that you care and are in God’s grace. Let your opening post be your prayer; print it off and bring it with you to Adoration and place it before the Lord. Just do that and let Jesus do the rest.
 
Mass, Confession, Adoration, Rosary.

These will keep you close to the Lord. Don’t just go to Mass on Sunday. Go midweek also. The Eucharist is our food, fuel and medicine.

If you struggle in an area of your life bring it to the Lord in confession. He understands you and wants to help you. More than you want even to help yourself.

Adore the Lord in the Eucharist; He will pour out His graces on you.

Pray the Rosary daily. Ask Our Lady for help. She as a mother and spouse will help.

Following Christ is sometimes hard, very hard. For all of us. But it is just then that we have an opportunity to show God how much we love Him; when it costs or may cost us dear. This is a privilege. The key is obedience, humility, trust and faithfulness/perseverance. Try to see things on a supernatural rather than a merely natural level. Abandon yourself to God’s will.

Prayer is hard. Tell the Lord how hard you find it. Let that be your prayer. Ask Him to help you. Sitting before the Blessed Sacrament is prayer; just being there is prayer. You don’t have to do or say anything. Try it.

The fact that you are even concerned to bother about the things you have raised shows that you care and are in God’s grace. Let your opening post be your prayer; print it off and bring it with you to Adoration and place it before the Lord. Just do that and let Jesus do the rest.
Amen!
 
Remember that while many people quote the account of the woman caught in adultery, they tend to forget the very end where Our Lord tells her, “Go and sin no more.” He didn’t say, “Go, adultery isn’t really a sin anyway as long as you were sincere and had good intentions.” He said point-blank don’t do it again.

Masturbation is a grave sin. Full stop. One can try to claim that it isn’t hurting anyone, but the fact is that even though it may only be in the mind one is treating oneself and others as merely an object and less than the imago Dei (the image of God) that they truly are. It is lying the body in a manner of speaking.

Habitual sins are difficult. Think of the brain being in a thick jungle in which you have worn an easy path to an evil place. It is difficult to stop going there because your brain has made a well-worn path to sin. One has to break out a machete and carve out a path to a good place and avoid things that encourage shortcuts.

You might notice in confession that after confessing sins, a wise priest often asks, “How is your prayer life?” In most cases it’s a shambles.

But while prayer is the cornerstone, and while we ought to pray for ourselves for help, you have to reach outside yourself. Reading St. Faustina, I noticed that she was tempted by the Devil to the effect of “Don’t pray for others. They are damned anyway. Pray for yourself so that you may be saved.” The Devil is lying of course.

So pray to receive the grace to avoid and resist temptation, but also pray for all struggling with Chastity and pray in reparation and blessings for those one has used for filthy fantasies and those ensnared in the dreadful world of pornography.

If you fall, get back up again. Even if it’s 10,000 falls, make sure you get up 10,001 times. God bless you.
 
Dear all,

… I end up saying some set prayers like Hail Holy Queen, the Our Father, Hail Mary and the Apostles Creed, then just kind of reel off a wish list which I’m sure is not how it’s supposed to work. Then when the things on the list don’t happen, I start to question if my prayers are being listened to which is completely unfair on my part.
Hi Phil,

I in turn am deeply moved by your posts. About prayer all I have to suggest is as follows based on my limited and recent experience since edging tentatively back to what faith I have.

Saying Our Fathers - back to back if you remember, otherwise re-remind yourself from time to time - plus the wish list - I think that IS what it’s about.

As to the wish list, put plenty in it that’s not too measurable, e.g ask Him to do something for your wife that will make her a happy person - it might turn out to be a surprising thing. Likewise for yourself. Likewise for neighbours sometimes or strangers or church members or distant relatives. One needs to be used to not getting attached to specific outcomes or news about outcomes at all.

As a single man I don’t know that much about marriage. But I’ll stick my neck out and say both married and single life are about other things than directly targetting each other with intensity. If your home is big enough can you have half a room for your hobby and half a room for hers? Were there wholesome (reasonably inexpensive) pursuits you were stopped from doing in the past? We can even ask God for a hobby. As to time, can you take a lonely person or a person with specific learning differences on a walk or trip or have them to tea from time to time? I believe this is one way to be “open to life”.
 
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