Jack Chick thoughts

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BoomBoomMancini said:
All this to say, I simply can’t believe that every non-Catholic in history is in hell, even the ones who sincerely tried to follow God, albeit with a genuine but mistaken understanding of God.
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I’m not sure what you’re talking about. The claim isn’t “every non-Catholic goes to Hell”. The claim is “everyone who commits a mortal sin and doesn’t either have perfect contrition or imperfect contrition plus absolution goes to Hell”.

Culpability is only required for the commission of sin. Once someone is in a state of mortal sin, their damnation only requires that they die.

“God knows everything” is a non-argument since we’re talking about hypotheticals, not specific individuals.

The point I made that triggered this digression (that even “good” Chick tracts like Holy Joe are harmful in their own way) still stands. Someone who thinks he has eternal security is in some ways worse off than an agnostic who knows that he may get it when he dies.
Zaccheus said:
Of course if his contrition had not been perfect contrition then the Sergeant would not have been saved.

Which requirement of perfect contrition did the Sergeant fail to fulfill?
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“God you know I’m a rotten sinner - I need this savior that Holy Joe spoke of - oh God, save me for Christ’s sake!”

I don;t see anything here that indicates perfect contrition. More generally, it doesn’t seem likely that a person who repents out of fear of death with no notion that perfect contrition is necessary would elicit such an act.
Tis_Bearself said:
Unfortunately, those type of tracts are probably representative of the actual thinking in many areas of the USA about 30 to 50 years ago.
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50 years ago there were still places that put rapists to death. I really doubt that people thought it was no big deal if you raped your kids.
 
Arkansan said:
50 years ago there were still places that put rapists to death. I really doubt that people thought it was no big deal if you raped your kids.
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If you were friends with the right judge, all kinds of things got swept under the rug. Easy enough to paint the kid as a liar and send her off to some juvenile facility. Happened all the time.
 
Tis_Bearself said:
Easy enough to paint the kid as a liar and send her off to some juvenile facility.
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Not if she’s a first-grader with herpes. The way Jack painted the doctor, he had irrefutable evidence of abuse (you definitely can’t sweep herpes under the rug), but he still sent her home with the abuser…and this doctor is the good guy in Jack Chick’s mind! This is something he would endorse!
 
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Arkansan said:
I’m not sure what you’re talking about. The claim isn’t “every non-Catholic goes to Hell”. The claim is “everyone who commits a mortal sin and doesn’t either have perfect contrition or imperfect contrition plus absolution goes to Hell”.
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Apologies if I was unclear. I read your post as suggesting that every non-Catholic goes to hell (in practice, even if not in theory, as virtually no one gets through life without committing a serious sin) as a non-Catholic does not have access to confession and is unlikely to generate perfect contrition, given their misunderstanding of its necessity.
 
Having worked in the juvenile justice area, I can say with certainty that a lot of really bad legal process went on for a really long time. It was not okay. It nevertheless went on.

Fortunately there are a lot more safeguards in place now than there were then.

I’ll leave it at that.
 
Tis_Bearself said:
Having worked in the juvenile justice area, I can say with certainty that a lot of really bad legal process went on for a really long time. It was not okay. It nevertheless went on.

Fortunately there are a lot more safeguards in place now than there were then.

I’ll leave it at that.
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I’m not talking about the legal system proper, but Jack’s personal idea of how to handle child rape, informed by his religious beliefs.
 
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Tis_Bearself seems to be missing the point. The question isn’t whether there were corrupt judges or incredulous people or what have you. The question concerns what normal people thought of child rape. I’m quite certain that it wasn’t considered okay.
 
Or, in the words of my pastor: God is not God the way I would be God, I I were God. Thank God.

God has revealed various ordinary means by which He pours out His grace (and even made us aware of some extraordinary), but perhaps there are more that aren’t revealed.

My thoughts on Jack Chick’s writings is that they are horribly deficient–speaking of fear and a “magic formula” instead of the abundance of an outpouring of all the fruits of the Spirit that can be in one’s life when close to God. While it is possible that someone who is wholly on the wrong path might change course because of one of those tracts, it is far better to remember “whatever is true, whatever is honorable, whatever is just, whatever is pure, whatever is lovely, whatever is gracious, if there is any excellence and if there is anything worthy of praise, think about these things.”
 
Arkansan said:
God you know I’m a rotten sinner - I need this savior that Holy Joe spoke of - oh God, save me for Christ’s sake!”

I don;t see anything here that indicates perfect contrition. More generally, it doesn’t seem likely that a person who repents out of fear of death with no notion that perfect contrition is necessary would elicit such an act.
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I think the Sergeant’s words are meant to depict a genuine religious conversion. He’s not sorry because he’s scared of bullets. He’s sorry because he’s realized he’s a rotten sinner and he truly repents of that. His prayer is not “God save my life”. His prayer is “God save my soul.”

To my mind that’s perfect contrition.
 
Jack Chick was a nutter. That’s all you need to know about him. His tracts are goofy and laughable.
 
JACK CHICK IS DEAD!!! THE CATHOLIC CHURCH IS ALIVE TODAY AND FOR ALL TIME. JESUS’ PROMISE. MOVE ON!..strong text
 
The Church is an anvil that has worn out many hammers.

Jack Chick struck me as more of a tackhammer.
Not that he didn’t do his share of damage.
 
Chick is symbolic of the form of anti-Catholicism that used to be much more prevalent in our country than it is now. This was the form that my grandparents and their antecedents observed going all the way back to when they stepped off the ship coming here.

Now note that I said “the form of anti-Catholicism”. There are still other forms of anti-Catholicism that are very prevalent today, that have been strong in recent decades, such as abortion, divorce, gay marriage, transgender acceptance, etc. Much of which affects far more than just Catholics.
 
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