James Martin, SJ Responds to the Nashville Statement

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1neophyte said:
However accurate it may be.
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Do you know Father Martin? Have you ever met him? Has he confided in you?

Do you have some basis for implying (at least) that he is homosexual?

And why do you care? What difference does it make? He’s a celibate priest.
 
Inisfallen said:
Do you know Father Martin? Have you ever met him? Has he confided in you?

Do you have some basis for implying (at least) that he is homosexual?

And why do you care? What difference does it make? He’s a celibate priest.
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When did I ever say that I cared or that it would make a difference? All I agreed with is that he has not publicly admitted that he is a homosexual, which is factually accurate. Calm down.

Do you know him? Have you met him? How do you know that he is celibate?
 
PluniaZ said:
Do not criticize priests:

“To Me redounds every assault they make on My ministers: derision, slander, disgrace, abuse. Whatever is done to them I count as done to Me. For I have said and I say it again: No one is to touch My Christ’s. It is My right to punish them, and no one else’s.”

Dialogue 116, Saint Catherine of Siena

4kingdoms.com/dialogue_of_st_catherine_of_Siena_chapter_14_newest.pdf
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So Paul wasn’t in his place to criticize Peter, the Prince of the Apostles…🤷
 
1neophyte said:
When did I ever say that I cared or that it would make a difference? All I agreed with is that he has not publicly admitted that he is a homosexual, which is factually accurate. Calm down.

Do you know him? Have you met him? How do you know that he is celibate?
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Neither have I. It really doesn’t come up in my life that I have to declare one way or the other. I suspect the same is true of Father Martin.

But you seem to want to imply (at least) that he is homosexual, as if that were somehow shameful, or would discredit anything he has to say.
 
Inisfallen said:
Neither have I. It really doesn’t come up in my life that I have to declare one way or the other. I suspect the same is true of Father Martin.

But you seem to want to imply (at least) that he is homosexual, as if that were somehow shameful, or would discredit anything he has to say.
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Nope.
 
I read the Statement. It’s basically saying what the Church has been saying for 2000 years,
 
Peter_J said:
I don’t disagree with any of the things he said there, but the “Re #NashvilleStatement” seems slightly odd, as the connection between those statements and the Nashville Statement is unclear.
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P.S. I’m not sure if this can get this discussion back on track (or if anything can), but for heck of it I’ll mention that I don’t see eye to eye with him on everything he has said everywhere.

For example, I think Eve Tushnet made a good point when she criticized his book:
In a Washington Post review, Eve Tushnet, author of Gay and Catholic, said Father Martin never even hints in his book at the existence of people like herself who are homosexual and “accept celibacy out of obedience” to the Church. Building a Bridge, Tushnet said, ignores the root cause of why “LGBT” people and the Church often are polarized. “The Catholic sexual ethic is this book’s embarrassing secret. It’s never mentioned, and so the difficulties the teaching itself poses for gay Catholics in our future are never addressed.”
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Do not criticize priests:

“To Me redounds every assault they make on My ministers: derision, slander, disgrace, abuse. Whatever is done to them I count as done to Me. For I have said and I say it again: No one is to touch My Christ’s. It is My right to punish them, and no one else’s.”

Dialogue 116, Saint Catherine of Siena

4kingdoms.com/dialogue_of…_14_newest.pdf
 
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