Jeb Versus Hillary In 2016?

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CNN is the article in the original post.

Consider the source, of course, CNN would likely want to see someone like Jeb Bush run.
 
I’m definitely NOT independent but Pro-Life meaning I support politicians who have been brave for the Pro-Life movement and not cowered on the sideline, people like Gov. Scott Walker of Wisconsin who faces a fight to get reelected and that is because in part he has been pro-life, I support people like Governor Perry and even Governor Christie because they have shut down clinics. I realize in a tiny number of states, the Republican party has a difficult time being pro-life but as for results, I go with gentleman as above and try to assist the right to life.
 
Path_Finder said:
Exactly, in fact, Egypt had for the region, a fairly friendly ruler in Mubarak, but when CNN and others started showing Tahir Square in Cairo, the media made a big deal out of the protests and Arab springs, the US admin obliged saying Mubarak should step down, in came the Muslim Brotherhood and the largest populated Arab nation was now under radical Islamic rule; but when Iranians protested, we said nothing in support until it was too late. Also, unfortunately, in a situation hard to call, it appears we should not have sided with the Rebels in Libya, sure, Kaddaffi gave support to those who bombed the Lockerbie flight.

Egypt? Look at the Coptic Christians, we can’t believe all stories but undoubtedly, these our fellow Christians were persecuted thanks to the irresponsibility of the administration, the Egyptians were smart enough to throw out the tyrants of the Muslim Brotherhood and basically have a government that was like Mubarak’s before now. Order has been restored.
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Some valid points but I think the Obama Administration chose the right path in each of these cases. The removal of Mubarak and Qaddafi was an inevitability and it was impossible to remain neutral in Egypt while the instruments of Mubarak’s oppression literally had “Made In USA” stamped on them. The only wise choice of action in both cases was to side with the people and hope to influence decision making once the dictators were gone. Also, in both cases, the populations did most of the heavy lifting. Iran was another matter. It never really progressed beyond protest and into revolution and, unlike Egypt, the Iranian army wasn’t a neutral player.
 
Ridgerunner said:
I’m not too keen on Jeb Bush, but as between him and Hillary Clinton, he’s an easy choice.
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This is CNN, consider the source, that’s who they’d like to see run. It’s a nice spin, I don’t think Bush will catch on.
 
ialsop said:
Hmm…the question is to be pro life and bomb other cities or to be peaceful and murder withj abortion? Hmm…how about third party??
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All third parties do in the USA is get the guy or gal you DEFINITELY don’t want elected…elected.
 
Path_Finder said:
This is CNN, consider the source, that’s who they’d like to see run. It’s a nice spin, I don’t think Bush will catch on.
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One commentator on The Kelly File brought was talking about Bush. He would be grilled in the primary over immigration, Common Core, and maybe even his name.
EmperorNapoleon said:
That would be a guaranteed win for Hillary. 👍
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:rotfl:

I suppose it was only a matter of time before another comment about coronating her came up.

If the left wants to think they’ve got an automatic win there, I’ve got little problem with that. 😃
 
EmperorNapoleon said:
Some valid points but I think the Obama Administration chose the right path in each of these cases. The removal of Mubarak and Qaddafi was an inevitability and it was impossible to remain neutral in Egypt while the instruments of Mubarak’s oppression literally had “Made In USA” stamped on them. The only wise choice of action in both cases was to side with the people and hope to influence decision making once the dictators were gone. Also, in both cases, the populations did most of the heavy lifting. Iran was another matter. It never really progressed beyond protest and into revolution and, unlike Egypt, the Iranian army wasn’t a neutral player.
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Mubarak didn’t have to be removed and they basically have the same kind of government as they did with Mubarak, it caused upheaval and a lot of people needlessly died because the administration sided with Muslim extremists and threw the whole region into turmoil.

You have not sourced your “Made in the USA” stamp, that is just talk, you are doing nothing less than expected of someone defending an unpopular president whose administration allowed the persecution of Coptic Christians.

Ditto for Kaddaffi, it is much more like there is a shadow government that told Obama to bomb over there, innocents killed likely.

And out of Benghazi, Clinton likely lied to congress, a crime and it won’t be the GOP that will use that for ammunition, it will be competitors like Vice President Joe Biden.
 
SuperLuigi said:
One commentator on The Kelly File brought was talking about Bush. He would be grilled in the primary over immigration, Common Core, and maybe even his name.

😃
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She has likely lied to congress which is a crime. In no way do I see Jeb Bush gaining traction to win the nomination.
 
Neofight said:
Another Bush or another Clinton…if that’s the best this country can offer, or is willing to settle for, may God help us all!
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Some in the GOP evidently think that Bush is the only one who can beat her. That’s a mistake, for one, and would show they are listening to the elite too much and running campaigns based on propaganda/fear not facts.

The Democrats won’t publicly admit it, but the only person they have is Hillary. Vice-president Biden’s poll numbers may very well be historic lows. A sitting VP should be almost a shoe-in for president, and Biden’s not even close. Plus, their other candidates are too polarizing or won’t excite the base as much as Obama did.
 
Path_Finder said:
She has likely lied to congress which is a crime.
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Perhaps, but the sad fact is Americans just don’t care enough about Benghazi. The entitlement culture trumps.
In no way do I see Jeb Bush gaining traction to win the nomination.
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Better look again, because if we had to decide today, he’d probably get it.
 
SuperLuigi said:
Perhaps, but the sad fact is Americans just don’t care enough about Benghazi. The entitlement culture trumps.

Better look again, because if we had to decide today, he’d probably get it.
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Thank God we’ve got two years between now and the election. That may have something to do with it.

But I suspect when people begin thinking “presidential election” in 2016, they’re not going to also be thinking “Jeb Bush”.
 
SuperLuigi said:
Some in the GOP evidently think that Bush is the only one who can beat her. That’s a mistake, for one, and would show they are listening to the elite too much and running campaigns based on propaganda/fear not facts.

The Democrats won’t publicly admit it, but the only person they have is Hillary. Vice-president Biden’s poll numbers may very well be historic lows. A sitting VP should be almost a shoe-in for president, and Biden’s not even close. Plus, their other candidates are too polarizing or won’t excite the base as much as Obama did.
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The Republicans haven’t had an A team since Reagan.

After GB1, they relied on name recognition with GWB. That won’t work again, having gone from name recognition to name fatigue.

But after more than a generation, the sad thing is, there is STILL no Republican A team in sight. And 1996, 2008 and 2012 showed what happens to Republican B teamers.

ICXC NIKA.
 
GEddie said:
The Republicans haven’t had an A team since Reagan.

After GB1, they relied on name recognition with GWB. That won’t work again, having gone from name recognition to name fatigue.

But after more than a generation, the sad thing is, there is STILL no Republican A team in sight. And 1996, 2008 and 2012 showed what happens to Republican B teamers.

ICXC NIKA.
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Well said,but I summed it all up in one short sentence by saying,

OH. NO, Not again ! :eek:
 
phil_at_dayboro said:
Well said,but I summed it all up in one short sentence by saying,

OH. NO, Not again ! :eek:
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I don’t think we said the same thing :):)🙂

I for one wouldn’t mind JB as head of this country, I’d vote for him over Hillary in a heartbeat; but he hasn’t the chance of a snowstorm in Florida to actually get there.

ICXC NIKA.
 
SuperLuigi said:
Perhaps, but the sad fact is Americans just don’t care enough about Benghazi. The entitlement culture trumps.
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Yes, but it won’t be Republicans that bring this out in a campaign and good luck if she gets actually prosecuted for it which could happen as no one should be above the law.
Better look again, because if we had to decide today, he’d probably get it.
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I am looking again!

It’s not being decided today, the only edge Bush has is name recognition and he isn’t even doing better than Romney, Paul Ryan or Rand Paul in national polling.

newsmax.com/Newsfront/mitt-romney-clinton-bloomberg-poll/2014/10/13/id/600233/ (Iowa)

cbsnews.com/news/hillary-clintons-lead-over-potential-2016-gop-foes-shrinks-poll/ (National)

Her book tour didn’t sell a lot of books either.

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It’s no wonder so few Americans even bother to vote.

I’m considering moving to Patagonia; I think it would be nice there.
 
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