Jehovahs Witnesses article attacking the Deity of Christ again

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When Jesus prayed to the Father was Jesus praying to Himself?
No, he was praying to the Father. The fact that there is one God does not diminish the fact that God is three distinct Persons by virtue of their relationship to each other. He is not the Father who is the Son and he is not the Son who is the Father. They are distinct in relationship and one in Being or substance.
Jesus is God, He was praying to God but not the same God that the God is that He was praying to but they are both fully God, not two gods.
When you leave out the distinct Persons of Father, Son and Holy Spirit it does not make sense. There is no different God. There is only one God.
 
No, he was praying to the Father. The fact that there is one God does not diminish the fact that God is three distinct Persons by virtue of their relationship to each other. He is not the Father who is the Son and he is not the Son who is the Father. They are distinct in relationship and one in Being or substance.

When you leave out the distinct Persons of Father, Son and Holy Spirit it does not make sense. There is no different God. There is only one God.
With all due respect, that hardly makes much sense either. What you described sounds like multiple personality disorder. I know those are your beliefs and that is wonderful, but what you just said is just a neater way of saying what dronald did. And dronald acknowledged at the very end the one God detail.
 
What is it exactly that doesn’t make sense to you?

I’m sorry that you cannot grasp the concept. How is a Father communicating with his Son a multiple personality disorder?
The concept has been grasped. The fact still remains that three beings are one being. You can call this persons in a divinity, but its still a logical inconsistency of magnificent proportions.
And how is three persons in one NOT like multiple personality disorder. I understand that this is not the doctrine of the Catholic church, but that is very like the disorder.
 
What I find am using is that if someone else (JW) interprets the bible incorrectly they are a heritic. But if I do it as a protestant…the Holy Spirit is guiding me. And if I happen to be wrong…that’s OK, God knows my heart.

What is more ammusing is that you cannot prove the “doctrine” of the Trinity from the bible. The only way to believe in the Trinity is to follow the teachings the Catholic Church.

People will pick what they want to follow and dismiss the rest…but as long as I am doing it, it’s OK. It’s truly amazing!!!
 
What I find am using is that if someone else (JW) interprets the bible incorrectly they are a heritic. But if I do it as a protestant…the Holy Spirit is guiding me. And if I happen to be wrong…that’s OK, God knows my heart.

What is more ammusing is that you cannot prove the “doctrine” of the Trinity from the bible. The only way to believe in the Trinity is to follow the teachings the Catholic Church.

People will pick what they want to follow and dismiss the rest…but as long as I am doing it, it’s OK. It’s truly amazing!!!
Monotheists assert a one truth and that they have it. They therefore to mental backflips to maintain this concept
 
Can it still be called a heresy if they aren’t Catholic?
Heresy-Commonly refers to a doctrinal belief held in opposition to the recognized standards of an established system of thought. Theologically it means an opinion at variance with the authorized teachings of any church, notably the Christian, and especially when this promotes separation from the main body of faithful believers.

In the Roman Catholic Church, heresy has a very specific meaning. Anyone who, after receiving baptism, while remaining nominally a Christian, pertinaciously denies or doubts any of the truths that must be believed with divine and Catholic faith is considered a heretic. Accordingly four elements must be verified to constitute formal heresy; previous valid baptism, which need not have been in the Catholic Church; external profession of still being a Christian, otherwise a person becomes an apostate; outright denial or positive doubt regarding a truth that the Catholic Church has actually proposed as revealed by God; and the disbelief must be morally culpable, where a nominal Christian refuses to accept what he knows is a doctrinal imperative.

However, when I was speaking of heresy I wasn’t speaking of them being heretics but what they promote is a heresy to Christians.
 
However, when I was speaking of heresy I wasn’t speaking of them being heretics but what they promote is a heresy to Christians.
A heresy to OTHER Christians just pointing that out. It’s like when I work at the zoo and point out to a child that he must look weird to a hermit crab too.
 
IMO…monotheists have the greatest grasp on reality than any others.
IMO… nonphysical reality is reached for by everyone but its like a Rorschach test everyone sees it differently. But only a true egotist goes around telling everyone else they’re wrong for seeing a bunny rather than a butterfly.
 
IMO… nonphysical reality is reached for by everyone but its like a Rorschach test everyone sees it differently. But only a true egotist goes around telling everyone else they’re wrong for seeing a bunny rather than a butterfly.
So, do you see the bunny and I the butterfly, or do you see the butterfly and I see the bunny?
 
IMO… nonphysical reality is reached for by everyone but its like a Rorschach test everyone sees it differently. But only a true egotist goes around telling everyone else they’re wrong for seeing a bunny rather than a butterfly.
Do you think the little boy was an egotist for pointing out to the Emperor that he was actually butt naked, and not parading around in sartorial finery like he thought?

andersen.sdu.dk/vaerk/hersholt/TheEmperorsNewClothes_e.html
 
Its been a while since I’ve posted so first things first…

I must apologise for the typo in my previous post on this thread. I am a Construction worker by trade, not very “tech savy” so please bear with me.

If the JW were to stay consistant with their translation in John 1:1. “in the beginning was the Word, the Word was with God and the Word was a god…” They would have had to translate God to “a god” in about 94% of scripture…even the one shown in the original post would have to be translated… at no time has any one seen “a god”

Like the other posts say, changed only what they need to make their point.

I’m not a greek scholar either so please dont beat me up too bad if I missed something here.
 
With all due respect, that hardly makes much sense either. What you described sounds like multiple personality disorder. I know those are your beliefs and that is wonderful, but what you just said is just a neater way of saying what dronald did. And dronald acknowledged at the very end the one God detail.
Are you asserting that God cant be 2 persons or for that matter 3 at the same time and still be God?
 
The concept has been grasped. The fact still remains that three beings are one being. You can call this persons in a divinity, but its still a logical inconsistency of magnificent proportions.
You have misstated the Christian position. We do not believe that three beings are one being. Learn the difference between the Church’s definition of “Person” as opposed to “Being”. These are philosophical terms and are used differently than in modern language. And why would anyone be surprised that we cannot understand the infinite with a finite mind?
And how is three persons in one NOT like multiple personality disorder. I understand that this is not the doctrine of the Catholic church, but that is very like the disorder.
We are speaking of a divine Being, not a human being. God is incorporeal. It would be impossible for a corporeal being to be composed of three persons. But not a divine Being who is by nature, above creation and not subject to the laws of created nature. We cannot limit God’s nature to what makes sense to the human mind. He is above us in every way.
 
IMO… nonphysical reality is reached for by everyone but its like a Rorschach test everyone sees it differently. But only a true egotist goes around telling everyone else they’re wrong for seeing a bunny rather than a butterfly.
The difference here being that we did not arrive at this conclusion on our own. The Trinity is a divinely revealed truth, not one arrived at through human endeavor. We only seek to understand what has been revealed and no human words will ever adequately explain such a mystery. Yet we believe it because of the One who revealed it.

This may be difficult for you to understand as all of your “gods” can be explained and understood with the human mind because they are a product of the human mind, making them no greater than the one who conceived them in the first place. In short, any god who can be fully understood with the human mind cannot be God.
 
Monotheists assert a one truth and that they have it. They therefore to mental backflips to maintain this concept
Come on, knock it off. The Trinity, IMO, has an allusion in nature. Siamese Twins. You have two persons in one body. When one person speaks to the other, they aren’t speaking to themself. So Christ can speak/pray to the Father as a separate person, while being in the same body of the Godhead.

I suppose with Siamese Triplets we have an example of the entire Trinity.

Siamese Twins no doubt would be considered a disability of nature. However, one shining light is that this condition can reveal how the Trinity can not only be possible, but conceivable.
 
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