Jehovah's Witnesses

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I made this thread for discussions to refute their claims. For a year running, we (me and my friend) have this occasional debates and i’d need all the help i can get here. 🙂
 
I am a Christian so I can’t help you defend Catholicism.

However the best method is to begin in the OT and move to the NT, proving Jesus is Yahweh and is Al-gebbor (Almighty God).
 
for a start, my friend got me stumped by saying, when receiving the sacraments, or any practice of getting closer to Jehovah, priests or elders should not ask for money. Apparently, in their congregation an old woman admitted that a Priest took money from her when she wanted to pray to her deceased husband.

It got me asking…In receiving the sacraments–baptism, marriage, confirmation, etc… do we need subsidy?
 
for you to convert your friend, you have to make sure that he will also read non JW material, they believe that only JW publications are facts, and others are false information, once you have done this, they bible study will be easy and for him to learn the truth will be easy as well.
Fidei said:
for a start, my friend got me stumped by saying, when receiving the sacraments, or any practice of getting closer to Jehovah, priests or elders should not ask for money. Apparently, in their congregation an old woman admitted that a Priest took money from her when she wanted to pray to her deceased husband.

It got me asking…In receiving the sacraments–baptism, marriage, confirmation, etc… do we need subsidy?
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Smart30 said:
I am a Christian so I can’t help you defend Catholicism…
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Friend, being Christian is believing in the divinity of Christ. All of us are Christian, but its up to one’s own discernment to believe others as false.
 
Fidei said:
Friend, being Christian is believing in the divinity of Christ. All of us are Christian, but its up to one’s own discernment to believe others as false.
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The Church is united since the first day of Christ’s ministry. The word Christian is a title, it means absolutely nothing if you don’t take it literally.

It literally means the complete belief in every single doctrine of God’s religion and to have fellowship with Christ. This is done completely by the Individual and God, the Mediator is Jesus… no saints.

Christian is just another word for Calvinist.
for a start, my friend got me stumped by saying, when receiving the sacraments, or any practice of getting closer to Jehovah, priests or elders should not ask for money. Apparently, in their congregation an old woman admitted that a Priest took money from her when she wanted to pray to her deceased husband.
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It got me asking…In receiving the sacraments–baptism, marriage, confirmation, etc… do we need subsidy?
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Praying to the dead is blasphemy, are you aware of this?

Also why are you using Catholic terms… there’s no priests/bishops in JW.
 
marlo said:
for you to convert your friend, you have to make sure that he will also read non JW material, they believe that only JW publications are facts, and others are false information, once you have done this, they bible study will be easy and for him to learn the truth will be easy as well.
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well, I haven’t introduced her to CC literature yet but i’m coming to that, im just looking for explanations for oral discussions.

Im guessing from your signature, you’re filipino? Greetings kababayan:).
 
Smart30 said:
The Church is united since the first day of Christ’s ministry. The word Christian is a title, it means absolutely nothing if you don’t take it literally.

It literally means the complete belief in every single doctrine of God’s religion and to have fellowship with Christ. This is done completely by the Individual and God, the Mediator is Jesus… no saints.

Christian is just another word for Calvinist.

Praying to the dead is blasphemy, are you aware of this?

Also why are you using Catholic terms… there’s no priests/bishops in JW.
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Being Christian is being Catholic–one, holy and universal. Sadly my friend, you are a disciple of John Calvin, born in the 1500’s. No other denominations can trace back their lineage from the apostles.

the JW said that—as an illustration to imply that we shouldn’t need payment to receive our sacraments.
 
Fidei said:
Being Christian is being Catholic–one, holy and universal. Sadly my friend, you are a disciple of John Calvin, born in the 1500’s. No other denominations can trace back their lineage from the apostles.

the JW said that—as an illustration to imply that we shouldn’t need payment to receive our sacraments.
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There are no sacraments.

John Calvin simply brought Christians back to Jesus and to the supernatural religion of Christianity.

Instead of man’s religions, such as Arminianism, Roman Catholicism, Eastern Orthodoxy.

Yes… I quote James White.
 
She’s right. The Sacraments are free, BUT, should one want to say a Mass for a deceased relative or get married, I believe it is customary to pay a stipend for the priests services…gargh…somebody else can explain the situations better.
Apparently, in their congregation an old woman admitted that a Priest took money from her when she wanted to pray to her deceased husband.
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This happened in your friend’s congregation or the old woman’s congregation?

“Priest took money,” sounds pejorative.
  1. We are not instructed to pray to our dead relatives, as a matter of fact, the Church forbids this practice.
  2. Praying is a private thing, if she didn’t advertise she was praying to her dearly departed, nobody would have known, that is, why was a priest invovled?
  3. Unless a Mass was planning to be said for the deceased, I don’t understand this.
Also, do not refer to God as “Jehovah.” That is an incorrect translation, one that was made up within the past 300 years, I believe.
 
adstrinity said:
Also, do not refer to God as “Jehovah.” That is an incorrect translation, one that was made up within the past 300 years, I believe.
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There’s nothing wrong with calling God, Jehovah. It goes back to Middle English even before Tyndale.
 
"The name used by Abraham/Moses to speak to God is lost. Yahweh is the best version of the four Hebrew letters.

Jehovah is Old-English when J sounded like Yah " QUOTE previous posting.

Since I belong to the Catholic Church --it has asked our members in respect for our Jewish people of the Old Dispensation(Gods chosen people) not to use even this word.As you probably know The Jewish or Rabbinical tradition NEVER EVER said the name of God,that is why the vowels were lost ,as time went by-a few hundred years ago someone came up with the missing vowels–hence the name of the thread.Hebrew experts came up with the above one.

As for trying to argue these believers into becoming Catholics again,I am not certain where you can even start!! they are on another page totally,perhaps you would be better to put your energies into praying for these sincere but wrong beliefs.The best arguement that you can show is the example of your holy life as a Catholic–this will convince them in the end.But this is not to discourage others who might know how to put chinks into their armour!

Lord lead us into the fullness of Your Truth-You said “I am The Way.The Truth and The Life”
 
Fidei said:
for a start, my friend got me stumped by saying, when receiving the sacraments, or any practice of getting closer to Jehovah, priests or elders should not ask for money. Apparently, in their congregation an old woman admitted that a Priest took money from her when she wanted to pray to her deceased husband.

It got me asking…In receiving the sacraments–baptism, marriage, confirmation, etc… do we need subsidy?
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These free will offerings are never required, purely voluntary!

CA has good info on JW’s here; catholic.com/library/noncatholic_groups.asp

Sancta Maria, Mater Dei, Ora Pro Nobis Peccatoribus!

mark
 
Smart30 said:
The Church is united since the first day of Christ’s ministry. The word Christian is a title, it means absolutely nothing if you don’t take it literally.

It literally means the complete belief in every single doctrine of God’s religion and to have fellowship with Christ. This is done completely by the Individual and God, the Mediator is Jesus… no saints.

Christian is just another word for Calvinist.

Praying to the dead is blasphemy, are you aware of this?

Also why are you using Catholic terms… there’s no priests/bishops in JW.
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Smart30 said:
There are no sacraments.

John Calvin simply brought Christians back to Jesus and to the supernatural religion of Christianity.

Instead of man’s religions, such as Arminianism, Roman Catholicism, Eastern Orthodoxy.

Yes… I quote James White.
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Wow… just wow… This thread was not about calvinism or your belief in the “great apostasy”. This is of concern (apparently relatively great) to the OP. Lets keep this on topic Smart30…

Dominus vobiscum

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P.S. all of your arguments have been covered ad nauseum[sp?] on various threads and many tracts on this site. You should really read up on what you believe and be able to defend it if you are going to hijack threads with them. If you feel the urge to flame me for this 😉 please use PM.
 
Fidei said:
I made this thread for discussions to refute their claims. For a year running, we (me and my friend) have this occasional debates and i’d need all the help i can get here. 🙂
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Fidei said:
for a start, my friend got me stumped by saying, when receiving the sacraments, or any practice of getting closer to Jehovah, priests or elders should not ask for money. Apparently, in their congregation an old woman admitted that a Priest took money from her when she wanted to pray to her deceased husband.

It got me asking…In receiving the sacraments–baptism, marriage, confirmation, etc… do we need subsidy?
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Mark77 said:
These free will offerings are never required, purely voluntary!

CA has good info on JW’s here; catholic.com/library/noncatholic_groups.asp

Sancta Maria, Mater Dei, Ora Pro Nobis Peccatoribus!

mark
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The “free will offering” was originally how the priest kept himself alive. The people for whom he performed things outside of the sacrifice of the mass would offer him something for his time. This is ALWAYS AND IN ALL CIRCUMSTANCES a free will offering. It is absolutely not necessary to receive any of the sacraments, or for any request on the priests time. If you have no money, or even if you are not willing to offer anything, the priest should never turn anyone away.

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Smart30 said:
I am a Christian so I can’t help you defend Catholicism.

However the best method is to begin in the OT and move to the NT, proving Jesus is Yahweh and is Al-gebbor (Almighty God).
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Can you tell me when and by whom the word “christian” was first used, or for that matter “catholic”?

I can assure you it was not Calvin!

I am Catholic Christian of the Latin Rite!
 
Smart30 said:
The Church is united since the first day of Christ’s ministry. The word Christian is a title, it means absolutely nothing if you don’t take it literally.

It literally means the complete belief in every single doctrine of God’s religion and to have fellowship with Christ. This is done completely by the Individual and God, the Mediator is Jesus… no saints.

Christian is just another word for Calvinist.

Praying to the dead is blasphemy, are you aware of this?

Also why are you using Catholic terms… there’s no priests/bishops in JW.
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So if I am a true Christian I am to know God, Jesus, on an individual basis and I and God is all that matters. Wait I thought Matthew 25 meant…oh my bad!

Only one sin is unforgivable, blasphemy of the Holy Spirit. Can you find an example of this on this thread?
 
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